Your God kills people

[Depleted]

I'm enjoying your answers. Okay so let me ask you this. If there was no hell, would any of us really want to follow God? Because a lot of God's rules are annoying to follow and I'm sure if there was no punishment of hell a lot of us wouldn't be Christians right now. What I'm saying is, what's the point of having God in your life if your life was fine the way it was before it was ruined by your own sin? It seems like sin and the fear of being thrown in hell is the only reason I have anything to do with God.

When I first met future-hubby we became friends. The kind of friendship where, if he decided to move clear across the country, I would have followed him for fear of losing that friendship.

And then he asked me out on a date.

And then we were married.

I haven't followed him clear across the country, but we certainly have moved often enough that I know I will always follow him no matter what. (I'm a small town girl who was afraid to cross a river and land in a big city just for a moment. I've now lived in this city I used to fear that much. He got me to do that, because I followed him.)

Same deal with God.
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[paradoxdown]

Good. Your works won't get you into Heaven, and they mean nothing without faith.

So basically Christians do nothing to get everything, while some who will do something get nothing.

Not justice.

 

[Willie-T]

I'm afraid we'll probably exhaust all our resources and war over fresh air and water, way before that all goes down.

Our only hope is interstellar travel...

I think way beyond that mere limitation. All that does is just give humankind another planet to exploit and use up. It's no answer. If we invented such a capability today, and you were selected to take the ride, the essence that is "you" would cease to exist long before the ship reached the destination, and your body of waste would be ejected into space. About the same thing as if you had stayed here.

 

[Ariel82]

By allowing other people to murder him, later it's easy to say "It's God's will he should sacrifice his son."

That prophecy is throughout scriptures and even in the garden when Peter cut off a guard's ear which Jesus healed afterwards....Jesus said if He willed it, he could have called an army of angels to rescue Him.

He chose to lay down His life to make a statement.

Plus, we believe that there is more to life than physical death.

Do you believe in the concept of a soul?

 

[paradoxdown]

So than it really was his plan. Because if it was not his plan, he could've just wiped out Adam and Eve and the devil, and let humans live in a sin-free world, meaning he could've just gotten rid of sin altogether after what Adam and Eve did.

God can do anything, but for some reason it has to be this anything.

 

[Adstar]

I'm afraid we'll probably exhaust all our resources and war over fresh air and water, way before that all goes down.

Our only hope is interstellar travel...

Well actually Paradox if you read the Book of Revelation then you will read about a lot of those types of disasters taking place during the times of the return of Jesus.. So much bad stuff will be going down that the scriptures say that all human life would come to an end if it continued. But the Return of Jesus will bring about the end of the great disasters both natural, man made and supernatural..

Our only hope is interstellar travel...

Unfortunately Paradox the human condition means that we obtain the means of our own destruction before we obtain the means of interstellar travel by maybe more then a few generations. So we have too much time between both events for our political leaders to make one of those silly war miscalculations that faulty human leaders often do.

Look at the world Paradox.. Can't you see the human race is doomed to self destruction under it's own leadership and will. We are just to imperfect to keep ourselves alive..

Sad reality but it is truth..

 

[paradoxdown]

Jesus and God are One... Jesus is God.. So how can God kill Jesus ??

Jesus willingly gave His life.. He laid it down.. Those that carried out the execution did so by their own free will.. But their rebellion against God ended up playing a part in the Victory of God.. God is Awesome.. to use the evil intentions of those that hate His will to bring about His greatest Victory..

God doesn't have to kill anything to forgive, does he?

And why does he.

 

[Adstar]

Trusting one self is more a challenge to self improvement, than narcissism.

Deluding oneself that they can improve oneself to a sufficient level is narcissism.

 

[Ariel82]

So basically Christians do nothing to get everything, while some who will do something get nothing.

Not justice.

Faith in God isn't nothing. It transforms the heart and mind and those lead by the Holy Spirit lead lives that shine His light and love to the world.

We are told pure religion is to visit the widows and orphans, clothe the naked, feed the hungry, visit prisoners, etc.

God will have His children engaged in showing His love to the world, not to earn salvation, but because they know in their deepest selves, they are saved and His beloved children.

Though many claim to be His and are not. Jesus told the Pharisees they were not God's children.

God is just.

Humans are too often not.

 

[paradoxdown]

Well since you want to attack God and tell us why we are so stupid for believing such a foolish thing, please let us know the superior view that causes so much good that it gives you the right to judge anyone at all, let alone God. Are you suggesting an atheistic philosophy has led to more good? Less death? Also what is your proof that what you believe is true? Please share with us your vast wisdom.

All our pain and suffering is a learning problem. (That's what I think, that's all)

It's a simple answer, and I don't have to beg Jesus to keep me from the fire.

I guess we'll all find out.

 

[Adstar]

God doesn't have to kill anything to forgive, does he?

And why does he.

If God is perfect then yes God has to eradicate all imperfection.. We call this imperfection sin.. If God is perfect he will not allow anything imperfect to enter into His perfect eternal existence.. Once He allows Someone imperfect into Eternity then He would be allowing an imperfect existence to exist eternally...

So the only way God can take for example imperfect me into His perfect eternal existence is to transform me into a perfect eternal being... But God needs to do it in a perfectly Just way.. Otherwise a accusing finger could be pointed at Him saying He has turned a blind eye to sin.. Perfect justice would mean that any and all sin would be judged and eliminated...

So how can God justly save me an imperfect sinning being?? By coming into His creation in the form of Jesus Christ and paying the "fine" for my transgressions.. The price of sin is death.. Jesus died to take the penalty that was due to be enacted upon me..

Now if i believe Gods will even though i fail to live up to the standards of His will every day.. Then at lest I have the right attitude towards His good standards I have the right Spirit.. If i acknowledge that Gods will is correct and good and trust in what Jesus did for me then God can Justly forgive me because it is justice to have mercy on the repentant...

So God can rightly forgive sinners like me without compromising His perfect justice and thus no accusing finger can be pointed at God,,, by satan for instance..

 

[PennEd]

So basically Christians do nothing to get everything, while some who will do something get nothing.

Not justice.

Progress!!

Yes. Jesus prayed to His Father that if there was any other way for mankind to be redeemed, than the suffering and death He had to endure, to please take it.

THERE IS NO OTHER WAY! If there were, than God the Father let His only Son suffer and die for nothing. THAT, is why it is so offensive to God to try and be saved by yourself OR rejecting His gift outright.

Look, Your'e still breathing. You STILL can be saved.

Believe on the Name of Jesus Christ, that God wrapped Himself in human flesh, born of a woman, that He suffered, was crucified, died, was buried, AND ROSE AGAIN TO LIFE 3 DAYS LATER, ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES, FOR YOU, !

And live!!

 

[Adstar]

All our pain and suffering is a learning problem. (That's what I think, that's all)

It's a simple answer, and I don't have to beg Jesus to keep me from the fire.

I guess we'll all find out.

I am glad i do not have to beg Jesus to keep me from the fire..
I know Jesus loves me and He desires to save me from that fire..

No begging is necessary..

 

[MadebyHim]

The Author of all that is, including human life, requires we worship Him in spirit and truth. Actually there can be no other manner of worshipping the Living God.

He is our Father. He does take His breath back from us in His time and we return to the earth from whece we all proceed. He cannot kill. Killing is a creature concept. Faithless creatures will never understand this.

Over the centuries many man have killed in the name of god without His having given the order. Thesee people are errant and usually wicked, if not always.

The only manner in which we could say Jesus has killed anyone is in that because of ebelieving Jesus Christ we lose all desire for the world without God........we die to it becuse of Jesus Christ, but we live to Him, and that life is eternal.

Anyone who has a God who kills does not understand what death is...carrying this further, only a creature can kill and that is in his mind, for God preserves allsouls for judgemnt. Come judgment, before you start in on this, people will judg themselves from their own mouths and deeds.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Magenta]

I don't know why I feel I need to answer this, but it does irritate me to no end when people inquire about my beliefs. Especially when they're only concerned about proselytizing their own.

My hopes, fears and beliefs are not about a saving force or person who I think communicates with me personally.

I'd like to work out the meaning to existence in a calm and rational way, without starting a holy war over g(G)ods.

Let me get this straight in my mind You come here to question us about our beliefs, but are irritated to no end when we likewise enquire after yours to get a better understanding of where you are coming from, so we can address what you actually think instead of making assumptions. Hmmm. There is something off in your approach and attitude, then. You may want to work on that

I have repeatedly asked about your beliefs, mindset, feelings, and inclinations (as have others), so to turn around and erroneously accuse all of us of desiring only to promote/proselytize our own is blatantly false.

However, your objections will not change my mind or my reasons for believing, which you seem to have constantly overlooked.

Your contradictions notwithstanding, since you come here to challenge what we believe, you really ought not be irritated to no end that we present our beliefs to you when questioned, and steadfastly stand by them with the passion we feel for them and He Who has engendered them. Please tell me that you really did not think that your presentation of the lack of experience with and understanding of God that you possess, should be enough for us to throw over our wealth of experience and understanding of God.

If you would like to work out the meaning and purpose of life without
starting a holy war, you may wish to examine your methods

 

[jenniferand2]

So it's a fact that the Christian God who is Jesus, kills people (Or lets say for the sake of the argument) has killed people.

God has killed millions, and not just evil people (Animals, children & infants both male and female)

How is this acceptable?

If you put t that way then all Gods Kill people not just the Christian God. Some Gods even tell people to murder people for their beliefs how is that acceptable? People die it is a natural event that does not mean God killed them per say. There is a difference between killing people and nature taking over and people passing on to the Lord Jesus Christ if they believe in him or passing on to hell if they do not. The other difference is actually killing someone that would mean God came here to earth and physically stabbed or shot or injured someone to the point they die and that does not happen. Murder happens because Satan gets into peoples heads and make them do horrible things

 

[JustWhoIAm]

work out the meaning and purpose of life without starting a holy war

Where's the fun in that? That logic defeats itself.

 

[Jimbone]

All our pain and suffering is a learning problem. (That's what I think, that's all)

It's a simple answer, and I don't have to beg Jesus to keep me from the fire.

I guess we'll all find out.

I understand your points, I know how you feel personally. I felt the same way most my life, but you say "All our pain and suffering is a learning problem", really? What is your solution for it? If there is no God then there is no "pain and suffering", right? There just is "what is". Or pain and suffering is a result of the fall, is it fair? No, and nor is the world without God, life is not fair period, so what I would like to hear from you is how atheism helps with this unfair world? What exactly are you arguing for? Anything really? Or do you just hate our imaginary God, and if so then ask yourself if any other fictional character bothers you this much. If not, then why not?

 

[Magenta]

If you approach the bible with honest scrutiny, you will find that it's not so perfect.
It's not about God not lying.
It's about humans who think that, because they believe God is found in the words of a book.

I did not call the Bible perfect. You have repeatedly made the assumption that people (including me) have come to belief in God based on the words in a book, when I have repeatedly referred to experiencing God personally. I realize this is a sticking point for non believers, but I am not going to pretend I believe in God because of reading a book when the opposite is true: I believe the Book because I came to believe in the living God, the One True God, the creator of the universe and all that is, the author and giver of life. I have had multiple personal empirical experiences of God. Nothing but the Book could adequately answer some of my most pressing questions regarding the purpose and meaning of life, and my own experiences.

I ask again: Do you accept that there are absolutes?

 

[Magenta]

Where's the fun in that? That logic defeats itself.

Perhaps it really is impossible; still, it was the OP's stated aim