Once saved, always saved. Chosen elect of God?
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**** it is mysterious but God knowing and choosing Scriptures----- and whosoever may come too God Scriptures are not opposed---- God' s foreknowledge and election does not mean we are destined to be saved----- God's Grace is great but not violating free will and choice---- the choice rests with us---- not God---- since Good knows everything and acts on His knowledge does not mean we do not choose freely...
This is why I do not understand the meaning of these scriptures I posted above. I grew up being taught everyone who excepts and lives for Jesus could be saved. In less God knows already who will except him and who will not then maybe that's the meaning of these scriptures. But I also did not agree with once saved always saved. I believed that a Christian who no longer lives for Christ but maybe just a Christian on Sunday but opposite during the week, would not be living as Christ taught. Does that mean they are still saved? I didn't think so but if some are chosen then that would mean the ones that fall away was never really chosen?
Hi Blain,
I agree with everything you've said and I also find the parable of the Prodigal Son to be a very good example of how one could decide to leave his father and then return one day.
I'd just like to say that the bible does speak about predestination. God knows who would come to be saved and that person is predestined to be unto the image of Christ. This is what is predestined, NOT the salvation of that person, but that the person becomes endowed with the attributes of Christ - (they do not become Christ!).
This is what these verses are referring to in reference to predestination:
Ephesians 1:4-5
Romans 8:29
2 Timothy 1:9
Fran
I agree with everything you've said and I also find the parable of the Prodigal Son to be a very good example of how one could decide to leave his father and then return one day.
I'd just like to say that the bible does speak about predestination. God knows who would come to be saved and that person is predestined to be unto the image of Christ. This is what is predestined, NOT the salvation of that person, but that the person becomes endowed with the attributes of Christ - (they do not become Christ!).
This is what these verses are referring to in reference to predestination:
Ephesians 1:4-5
Romans 8:29
2 Timothy 1:9
Fran
So would it had been stupid for the early observers of the sky who thought the earth was flat to reexamine that Job and Isaiah both talk about the earth being round. Job being one of the oldest books in the Bible told the earth was round. But yet it took people a lot longer to figure it out. The Bible has so much to teach it would be dumb for us to believe we know all of scripture. God has something to teach all generations.
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[h=1]Isaiah 40:22Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h][FONT="]22 God is enthroned above the circle of the earth;
its inhabitants are like grasshoppers.
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He hangs the earth on nothing.
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its inhabitants are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like thin cloth
and spreads them out like a tent to live in.[/FONT]
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I apologize for her snappy post, you did nothing wrong you had no idea this subject was a worn out one and like I said it is an important one. however even though it is a worn out subject I don't think that means we shouldn't discuss it, if we never ask the questions we never know the answers and honestly this thread has so far gone better than the others ones on this topic usually by now we have about 7-8 pages of fiery arrows at each others and this thread has two pages with a pretty decent amount of good discussion.
So would it had been stupid for the early observers of the sky who thought the earth was flat to reexamine that Job and Isaiah both talk about the earth being round. Job being one of the oldest books in the Bible told the earth was round. But yet it took people a lot longer to figure it out. The Bible has so much to teach it would be dumb for us to believe we know all of scripture. God has something to teach all generations.
Job 26:7Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
7 He stretches the northern skies over empty space;
He hangs the earth on nothing.
Isaiah 40:22Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
22 God is enthroned above the circle of the earth;
its inhabitants are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like thin cloth
and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
Job 26:7Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
7 He stretches the northern skies over empty space;
He hangs the earth on nothing.
Isaiah 40:22Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
22 God is enthroned above the circle of the earth;
its inhabitants are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like thin cloth
and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
Another thread and more proof that people do not know how to rightly divide the word of truth. People wrest Scripture for one dispensation and place it upon another to prove salvation can be lost. Eternal salvation is always through Jesus Christ and is not dependent upon man to keep what has been entrusted to Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ will keep it. Jesus Christ is faithful even when we are not faithful.
YOU CANNOT LOSE YOUR SALVATION. Once you're saved, you're good. 
'nuff said..
'nuff said..
If the body could only not let their differences divide itself then maybe the word christian would not leave a bitter taste in peoples mouths
Yes, even then. We don't lose our salvation because we turn away from God. If that were true, none of us would have any salvation at all. What doesn't make sense is that people actually believe that you have to get saved over and over, when you sin. Think about this: did JESUS die more than once to save us? NO because ONCE is all it takes. Just like salvation.
Yes, even then. We don't lose our salvation because we turn away from God. If that were true, none of us would have any salvation at all. What doesn't make sense is that people actually believe that you have to get saved over and over, when you sin. Think about this: did JESUS die more than once to save us? NO because ONCE is all it takes. Just like salvation.