Tongues Again???
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Yes, I am familiar with the Oneness Pentecostals, and the other errors associated with that denomination, whe had one of them in the town I lived in on the West Coast, but I was not referring to those. Even a Pentecostal Pastor that is a very close friend of mine, would be the first to call them a Cult. I am a little more generous, and just say they are borderline cult-like.
What I was referring to was individuals whom I had talked to, who may have never actually read their Church's doctrinal statement. I am sure, we could find small independent Pentecostal Churches that teach you must speak in tongues to be saved, and Lord knows what the Appalachian Pentecostals believe. I'll let you go into one of those Churches to ask.
Uneducated assumption, may be a large part of the false beliefs. For example: It is easy to find Catholics, who actually believe Mary will answer their prayers; EVEN THOUGH that is NOT what the Catholic Church actually Teaches. The Catholic Church's official position is it is ONLY a form of asking another believer to pray for you. I found a Church in Fresno, Revival Fellowship that was BIG on pushing the false theology that you have to speak in tongues to be saved, but their website had so little info about their Church, that I could not figure out what branch of Pentecostals they were Associated with. I used to live a hundred north of there on the Coast.I've read (in a secondary source) that some of the Saducees were rather Graecized, spoke Greek, and had to have Pharisees teach them Hebrew. Caipahas daughter, I think, had some pagan coins on her eyes when she was buried, a Greek custom scholars associate with paying the boat man in Hades. The Saducees/Zadokites might not have been strict on Hebrew in the temple if some of them weren't that good at it. Edersheim says in the synagogue, someone might speak in Hebrew and they might have a translator. The court of the Gentiles was theoretically a place where all nations would pray. Would they have had such linguistic restrictions?
I was born and spent part of my childhood in Appalachia. We didn't consider ourselves Appalachians, but I saw a list of the counties that were counted, and that area was counted as part of Appalachia. The Pentecostal denominations there are pretty much the same as in other parts of the Southeast. There are some small snake handling churches I've heard of, but that is rare enough that to my knowledge I've never encountered anyone from them. I've just seen them on TV.
That is interesting, I often wondered where that custom originated. I guess they did not think that one through.
Luke 16:24 (ASV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am in anguish in this flame.
It does not sound like there is any water in Hades, for the boat man to float his boat on.
I agree, that sounds like that rule did not apply to the Court of the Gentile, but where Jesus had impressed the Teachers and the Priests with knowledge at the age of 12, would have been in the Court of Irael:
Court of the Gentiles, is the outer courtyard just inside the outer wall. Then comes the Women's Court, and the Courtyard of Israel is the inside courtyard, closest to that Holy Place building, which which is where Jesus would have been speaking, and answering questions from the Teachers and Priests.
Luke 2:41-47 (ESV)
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover.
[SUP]42 [/SUP] And when he was twelve years old, they went up according to custom.
[SUP]43 [/SUP] And when the feast was ended, as they were returning, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. His parents did not know it,
[SUP]44 [/SUP] but supposing him to be in the group they went a day’s journey, but then they began to search for him among their relatives and acquaintances,
[SUP]45 [/SUP] and when they did not find him, they returned to Jerusalem, searching for him.
[SUP]46 [/SUP] After three days they found him in the temple, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions.
[SUP]47 [/SUP] And all who heard him were amazed at his understanding and his answers.
Here is the best Picture of all three Courtyards that I have ever seen. This artist pictured the people starting to file in, early in the morning during Passover Week. How EARLY, now that would depend on the weather, remember everyone had to take a Mikveh bath before entering, and they were open air Mikvehs just outside the Temples outer wall.
There would have been SEVERAL of these kind of Mikvehs, side by side just outside the outer Wall of the Temple, to accommodate the LARGE Crowds of Passover. Now just how early would you want to go to Temple, if the air Temperature had been down around 33 all night?
Luke 16:24 (ASV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am in anguish in this flame.
It does not sound like there is any water in Hades, for the boat man to float his boat on.
I agree, that sounds like that rule did not apply to the Court of the Gentile, but where Jesus had impressed the Teachers and the Priests with knowledge at the age of 12, would have been in the Court of Irael:
Court of the Gentiles, is the outer courtyard just inside the outer wall. Then comes the Women's Court, and the Courtyard of Israel is the inside courtyard, closest to that Holy Place building, which which is where Jesus would have been speaking, and answering questions from the Teachers and Priests.
Luke 2:41-47 (ESV)
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover.
[SUP]42 [/SUP] And when he was twelve years old, they went up according to custom.
[SUP]43 [/SUP] And when the feast was ended, as they were returning, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. His parents did not know it,
[SUP]44 [/SUP] but supposing him to be in the group they went a day’s journey, but then they began to search for him among their relatives and acquaintances,
[SUP]45 [/SUP] and when they did not find him, they returned to Jerusalem, searching for him.
[SUP]46 [/SUP] After three days they found him in the temple, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions.
[SUP]47 [/SUP] And all who heard him were amazed at his understanding and his answers.
Here is the best Picture of all three Courtyards that I have ever seen. This artist pictured the people starting to file in, early in the morning during Passover Week. How EARLY, now that would depend on the weather, remember everyone had to take a Mikveh bath before entering, and they were open air Mikvehs just outside the Temples outer wall.
There would have been SEVERAL of these kind of Mikvehs, side by side just outside the outer Wall of the Temple, to accommodate the LARGE Crowds of Passover. Now just how early would you want to go to Temple, if the air Temperature had been down around 33 all night?
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I think that rule was more of a restriction on those who wanted to teach in the temple, and I seriously doubt if a gentile was ever allowed to teach in the Temple under any circumstances. But like you did, I read that there was quite a few people in Israel, whose primary language was Greek. It was left over from when Alexander the Great, conquered Israel.
Those snake handler Churches are what I am talking about, you can go in and ask if they believe you have to speak in tongues to be saved, but I will wait in the car, LOL.
For those who do not know what we are talking about, these people in the below video links are not considered part of the Normal Pentecostal Churches. Please understand the verses they think were a command for all Christians, was simply a description of the signs the 12 Apostles would do to VALIDATE that the New Testament, that they were writing, came from GOD.
So PLEASE do not ever think that GOD wants you to personally pick up poisonous snakes. Hundreds of that denomination's followers have died of deadly snake bites, and they excuse it by simply saying it was God's time for that person to die. NO! They violated this verse and paid the consequence:
Matthew 4:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Here are a couple of those links, that show how they violated obedience to that above verse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5O1RVWB8MQ&t=91s
Reality show snake-handling preacher dies -- of snakebite - CNN.com
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Why would a person pick up a poisonous snake when a serpent in Genesis 3:1 was a man since only man was given the ability to speak in tongues, or rather to communicate using the spoken word. But seeing what is written in John 3:19-21 it is little wonder why some believe what they do.
So the why were the Disciples hiding in Jerusalem after the crucifixion?
56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
57 And they that had laid hold on Jesus led him away to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders were assembled.
Matt 26:56-57
...since they were told they would see him in Galilee?
But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you. Mark 16:7
So the why were the Disciples hiding in Jerusalem after the crucifixion?
56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
57 And they that had laid hold on Jesus led him away to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders were assembled.
Matt 26:56-57
...since they were told they would see him in Galilee?
But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you. Mark 16:7
The Pharisees wanted to know where Jesus got His knowledge. He may not have been in their 'educated Jew' category. The answer was He had learned from His Father.
I've read (in a secondary source again, or multiple secondary sources) that at 5, a Jewish boy in the holy land would typically start five years of school at the village or city school, which may have met at the synagogue. He would have memorized the five books of the law during those five years, starting with Leviticus. Leviticus has a lot of repetition which would have been good for the Aramaic-speaking boys who did not know Hebrew. After that, some went on to higher Torah education and some did not. Then some of those would study under those they wrongly called 'rabbis'.
Some thoughts on first century use of Hebrew:
There is evidence that Hebrew was a living language.
The Jews who came back from Babylon and their descendants apparently kept speaking Aramaic in Jerusalem, but in outlying areas, there may have been many who spoke Hebrew. This is info I got from the Bible college professor friend of mine, but he says there was a (so-called) 'rabbi' who asked his maid to help him think of a Hebrew word he could not think of. Apparently, he was one of the 'higher class' Jews from the group who came back from Babylon and settled in Jerusalem. She may have come from the countryside where she spoke Hebrew as a native language. That's the theory at least.
Previously, there were those advancing the theory that first century Jews spoke Aramaic. I believe that theory is falling out of favor because of the evidence against it. But some Christians read this idea in commentaries.
It could be that Galileans had a different Hebrew accent from those in Jerusalem. Or maybe they spoke Aramaic with a strong accent because they were used to speaking Hebrew on a day-to-day basis.
I've read (in a secondary source again, or multiple secondary sources) that at 5, a Jewish boy in the holy land would typically start five years of school at the village or city school, which may have met at the synagogue. He would have memorized the five books of the law during those five years, starting with Leviticus. Leviticus has a lot of repetition which would have been good for the Aramaic-speaking boys who did not know Hebrew. After that, some went on to higher Torah education and some did not. Then some of those would study under those they wrongly called 'rabbis'.
Some thoughts on first century use of Hebrew:
There is evidence that Hebrew was a living language.
The Jews who came back from Babylon and their descendants apparently kept speaking Aramaic in Jerusalem, but in outlying areas, there may have been many who spoke Hebrew. This is info I got from the Bible college professor friend of mine, but he says there was a (so-called) 'rabbi' who asked his maid to help him think of a Hebrew word he could not think of. Apparently, he was one of the 'higher class' Jews from the group who came back from Babylon and settled in Jerusalem. She may have come from the countryside where she spoke Hebrew as a native language. That's the theory at least.
Previously, there were those advancing the theory that first century Jews spoke Aramaic. I believe that theory is falling out of favor because of the evidence against it. But some Christians read this idea in commentaries.
It could be that Galileans had a different Hebrew accent from those in Jerusalem. Or maybe they spoke Aramaic with a strong accent because they were used to speaking Hebrew on a day-to-day basis.
The Bible doesn't say that Mary's father's name was Eli. (Is Heli the same as Eli anyway?) I read a site that said there was a Miriam who was a daughter of a Eli in the royal Hasmonean family at that time. I didn't see anything in there that connects this Miriam with Jesus' mother. Telling others she was fasting? How does that specify Jesus mother?
Jesus was famous, but His opponents did not know enough about His back story to know that He was born in Bethlehem. How famous would his mother's father have been? Who would have known that?
Jesus was famous, but His opponents did not know enough about His back story to know that He was born in Bethlehem. How famous would his mother's father have been? Who would have known that?
Strong's Concordance:
Eli: Eli, an Israelite
Original Word: Ἡλί, ὁPart of Speech: Proper Noun, Indeclinable
Transliteration: Eli
Phonetic Spelling: (hay-lee')
Short Definition: Heli
Definition: Heli, an ancestor of Jesus.
Catholic Encyclopedia:
Heli (Heb. ELI, Gr. HELI) was both judge and high-priest,
whose history is related in 1 Samuel 1-4.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07204b.htm
In a country were educated citizens learn three languages while growing up, (Arabic, Hebrew, and Greek), it is not unusual to find sentences words from one of the other languages included in text, primarily written in one of the three.
For example: Here is why I do not find it unusual to find a Hebrew NAME in a Greek sentence. I never actually learned the Bohemian Language, but certain words that I heard my grandmother use frequently stuck in my head, and remain part of my normal everyday language even today. The first one that comes to my mind is the Bohemian word for cat which is kočka pronounced koochka. So without even thinking, I might say and point, "Look at that kočka.
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