When Did The Church Begin

Grace777x70 · Feb 1, 2017

Buddy....God didn't need to have explained everything out to Paul before He was doing what He had done in Christ. Paul is NOT God. When did Christ ascend to the Father and sit at His right hand?

The word "added" is used all the time. It means to add unto something that is already there. Adding is simple...I have 120 eggs - then I "add" 3,000 more and voila..I have "added" to the existing eggs.

You are viewing everything through your "Paul only glasses" and missing out on Christ Himself and what He had already done before there even was a Paul to begin with.

How could Paul be in the body of Christ if there was no body to start with? This is a bunch of foolishness combined with some good truths about the revelation of the mystery of Christ and about the riches of the glory of Him being in us.

Did the body of Christ start with one member - Paul?...of course not..it is foolishness. And it took him years to discover the revelation of this mystery of Christ after he was saved.

Grace777x70 · Feb 1, 2017

dcontroversal said:

You do it buddy....I haven't even heard of those threads before..lol

Wait...you could "add" it to the existing pictures that are there. Does this mean when you put that picture up - that it is the start of the thread?

This is the same idea as the Lord "adding" to the body of Christ on the day of Pentecost.

dcontroversal · Feb 1, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

A thread I started per Zone's idea of a good thread idea HAHA

Grace777x70 · Feb 1, 2017

dcontroversal said:

Give us the link then..share it...lol

Let us "add" to it...

eternally-gratefull · Feb 1, 2017

zone said:

I was gonna say gen 3: 15. But same time frame!

eternally-gratefull · Feb 1, 2017

RomansToPhilemon said:

You have no argument, You are placing different conditions from one group of people than another. WHEN ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALL SHORT OF GODS GLORY.

And all must be saved by the same sacrifice.

In Adam ALL DIE, in Christ all are made alive

JustWhoIAm · Feb 1, 2017

Spurgeoncy said:

Even before. Of course.

eternally-gratefull · Feb 1, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

God sealed the door.. The people outside could not break the seal to get in, the people in could not break it to get out.

Nor would they want to.. (so for those who think we can open the door and walk away from salvation. This symbol would not seem to support that, who would want to leave the ark?)

RomansToPhilemon · Feb 1, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

You asked if the body of Christ started with one member. And I quote "of course not!" Lets check the scriptures to prove that statement false!

This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me firstJesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Thank you for bring up you question. I almost forgot about that verse. Clearly, Paul says IN HIM FIRST as a pattern to THEM WHICH HEREAFTERBELIEVE!!!!

Also, you stated that I see everything through Paul lenses. Did you not know that Christ magnified Paul's apostleship?!? I'm only doing what Christ established. Magnifying Paul's apostleship and mystery revelation.

For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

You equate following Paul as Christ commands us to do with worshiping Paul. That's nonsensical. You mentioned Christ sitting down at the right hand of the father. So very truth. Bud did you know Christ is no longer sitting down, but standing up? After Steven was stoned, Christ stood up as God's right hand.

But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Why did Jesus go from sitting down which I hope you understand what that means. Why did Christ go from sitting, to standing? Because after the stoning of Steven, that was Israel's last chance to repent. God gave Israel an extension of mercy to Israel as Jesus requested/asked the Father to do. And God granted them 1 year to repent. And after Steven was stoned, Christ went from siting down to standing up. As you read in the above verse. And what does Jesus do next? That's right. Saves Paul and brings in the mystery dispensation. The mystery gospel. The secret not known about ever. Peter didn't know it. Matthew didn't know it. Even the Angels didn't know it. Because had they known it, they would NOT have crucified Christ!

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Grace777x70 · Feb 1, 2017

RomansToPhilemon said:

You keep missing the Lord Jesus Christ for your "Paul only glasses". We don't need to know the mystery of Christ and the riches of the glory of Him being in us in order to be saved. Christ Himself is the Savior.

I love the mystery of Christ and the epistles of Paul "explain" what happened to the believer that is in Christ but people were in Christ before Paul was even saved.

You are wasting your time trying to get me to believe this stuff. You would have better luck trying to tell me the earth is flat.

It's stuff like this that makes people not understand James's epistle and to try to say he is talking to the Jews in some distant time zone in the future because he says "to the 12 tribes scatter abroad". He is just writing to the Jewish people and James is one of the very first letters written in the NT.

Plus he was an apostle to the Jews too just like Peter was. It was his calling. Just like some people today are called to certain ethnic groups of people of the Lord.

zone · Feb 1, 2017

RomansToPhilemon said:

You asked if the body of Christ started with one member. And I quote "of course not!" Lets check the scriptures to prove that statement false!

This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me firstJesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Thank you for bring up you question. I almost forgot about that verse. Clearly, Paul says IN HIM FIRST as a pattern to THEM WHICH HEREAFTERBELIEVE!!!!

Also, you stated that I see everything through Paul lenses. Did you not know that Christ magnified Paul's apostleship?!? I'm only doing what Christ established. Magnifying Paul's apostleship and mystery revelation.

For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

You equate following Paul as Christ commands us to do with worshiping Paul. That's nonsensical. You mentioned Christ sitting down at the right hand of the father. So very truth. Bud did you know Christ is no longer sitting down, but standing up? After Steven was stoned, Christ stood up as God's right hand.

But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Why did Jesus go from sitting down which I hope you understand what that means. Why did Christ go from sitting, to standing? Because after the stoning of Steven, that was Israel's last chance to repent. God gave Israel an extension of mercy to Israel as Jesus requested/asked the Father to do. And God granted them 1 year to repent. And after Steven was stoned, Christ went from siting down to standing up. As you read in the above verse. And what does Jesus do next? That's right. Saves Paul and brings in the mystery dispensation. The mystery gospel. The secret not known about ever. Peter didn't know it. Matthew didn't know it. Even the Angels didn't know it. Because had they known it, they would NOT have crucified Christ!

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

blah blah blah all this to prove something you can't.
none of that proves Peter's gospel (or anyone else in NT) was different from Pauls.

RomansToPhilemon · Feb 1, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

I'm not answering your questions because I'm trying to get you to believe something. I'm answering these questions because it is helping others who come to the post.

To answer your question about where are the people who aren't saved under Paul's gospel. I think it's obvious. They aren't part of the body of Christ lol. They are going to rule and reign with Christ on Earth. In the Earthly kingdom. The body of Christ is going to be ruling and reigning with Christ in the Heavens!!! Rightly divide. Prophecy from mystery. Israel from the body of Christ. Peter's gospel with Paul's gospel.

zone · Feb 1, 2017

RomansToPhilemon said:

I'm not answering your questions because I'm trying to get you to believe something. I'm answering these questions because it is helping others who come to the post.

To answer your question about where are the people who aren't saved under Paul's gospel. I think it's obvious. They aren't part of the body of Christ lol. They are going to rule and reign with Christ on Earth. In the Earthly kingdom. The body of Christ is going to be ruling and reigning with Christ in the Heavens!!! Rightly divide. Prophecy from mystery. Israel from the body of Christ. Peter's gospel with Paul's gospel.

ATTENTION READERS

BEWARE this gibberish. none of it is biblical.
this is Scofield's MESS.

garee · Feb 1, 2017

I would offer with Abel.

The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. Geneisis 4:4-5

Same Hebrew word below.

13 Look away from me, that I may enjoy life again before I depart and am no more. Psalms 39:13 (NIV)

Or the King James

Psa 39:13 O spare me, that I may recover strength, before I go hence, and be no more

Dino246 · Feb 1, 2017

When did the Church begin?

Well, "church" (English) = "ekklesia" (Greek) which, literally translated, means "called-out ones". It's a Greek term, not a Hebrew term, and the equivalent doesn't appear in the Old Testament. It is first used in Matthew 16:18, where Jesus says, "I will build My church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it." That is future tense, so I don't think it's reasonable to say it began prior to that point.

Spurgeoncy · Feb 2, 2017

JustWhoIAm said:

The consensus is that the Church started with Adam and Eve.

I don't know. Maybe!

The Bible says the Church is founded on the Apostles + Prophets, and the Cornerstone is Christ.

The first prophet mentioned in the Bible is Abraham, and Jesus and Stephen tell us

(John 8:56, Acts 7:2)

that it was Jesus who sat down to eat with Abraham in Mesopotamia, (Genesis 18).

So that says to me that the foundation of the Church and the Foundation of Israel are one and the same thing.

fredoheaven · Feb 2, 2017

When did the church begin:

Church is founded by Christ. He started it. So it started during his early ministry.

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zone said:

My logic. (Not to be confused with a rebuttal. Just my logic.)

If I woke up at 10th and Market to discover I'm buck naked, I'm not really caring one way or another if I trust the person who gives me something to cover up with. I'm all about the, "Eeek! I'm naked in public! Cover me! Cover me!"

I also don't see where it says God sacrificed animals to make the skins, so I'm not all that sure they were sacrificed.

Now, granted that's modern thinking, considering Adam and Eve had no problem being buck naked until they sinned, but I truly understand what I'd feel to be caught buck naked.

Depleted · Feb 2, 2017

dcontroversal said:

Couple of things to ponder......

Israel is called the assembly of the firstborn in the wilderness.....same word translated church which you know......

Noah was deemed righteous...nothing is said of Noah's sons being in the linage of faith....so...if the church went back before the flood, was it wiped out in the flood....?

Where 2 or 3 are gathered in my name.....

Or were NOAH and his SONS and wives still considered a church?

Just something to ponder

God promises there will always be a remnant. Wasn't Noah and family that remnant?

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RomansToPhilemon said:

Truthfully, I already stopped reading your post exactly because you seem so anxious and angry to prove something. You come at this as if you alone understand any truth and the rest of us are just here to sit at your feet and absorb it all in.

I do absorb, and what I'd absorb from you is anxious and angry. Got enough of that for a lifetime. Don't need more. So, I've already skipped reading your post. If you ever want to give up your pedestal, let me know. I'm willing to revisit how I perceive you when I see something has changed.

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