Women Pastors? Help me.

[StanJ]

Well just by your response, it appears you did not read 1Corinthins chapter 7 but instead you use Timothy. 1 Corinthians chapter 7 is very clear, you should discuss 1 Corinthians chapter 7 with an open mind not a controlled mind.

I would be more than happy to if you actually made a point about 1 Corinthians 7.

 

[StanJ]

You do not know who God is. If you really understood God, even just a little, you would be terrified to be trying to change two very clear and in context places in His word that tell us that men are to do the speaking in a mixed assembly.

You just hold on to your denial and see where it gets you. Look up the meaning of ' cognitive dissonance' while you're at it.

 

[StanJ]

Every scripture God inspired man to write, does not mean that every word in scriptures are the inspired words of, God, what it does mean is that God inspired man to write the inspired words of God and the inspired words of mankind, its a recording of the beginning of a relationship between God and mankind, therefore within the scriptures, is the inspired words of God and the inspired words of mankind, as they intertwine in a relationship.

Paul said ALL scripture... not just some of it.

 

[wolfwint]

You are talking about a time in history, where men believed, that a woman was less than a man, that's through the eyes of man. However God sees male and female's as one, therefore both are equal in the eye's of God. Who do you follow Paul or God ? Choose wisely

Dagallen, read 1.Cor.11,3; Man is head of a woman, Read Genesis 3,16ff and 1.Timothy 2,11-14; Do you still mean this is only Paul's saying? Then read also 2. Timothy 3,16; Wise is who obeyed the word of God instead of own thoughts.

 

[MadebyHim]

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. John 20:10-19.


In this reading we see Jesus sent a woman to tell the men.

 

[wolfwint]

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. John 20:10-19.


In this reading we see Jesus sent a woman to tell the men.

Yes, that's right. But he told her not to teach them. As Dagallen said: man and woman are equal in front of God. Equal in their worth, not in their tasks. And the answer for the why we find in genesis 2,18-22;and 3,16. Why the woman should not be Pastor is reasoned in the sinfall, notbecause she is not able to do it. Ore she is less worth.
Of course today many Christians are not agree with it. But then they have to ignore the word of God!

 

[Dagallen]

Dagallen, read 1.Cor.11,3; Man is head of a woman, Read Genesis 3,16ff and 1.Timothy 2,11-14; Do you still mean this is only Paul's saying? Then read also 2. Timothy 3,16; Wise is who obeyed the word of God instead of own thoughts.

God is the head of Christ and through Christ, God is the head of man and God through man is the head if woman, that God might be all in all. In the book Corinthians, all men and women are subject to the authority of God, even Jesus himself is subject to the authority of God, that God might be all in all.

 

[Dagallen]

I would be more than happy to if you actually made a point about 1 Corinthians 7.

I want you to read 1 Corinthians chapter 7 and tell me what does Paul reveal that people over look, you need to see it yourself first, if you can't see what reveals about himself, then you would be missing a very important point, look closely, with an open mind ?

 

[Dino246]

He probably got it from the biblical story that Satan approached Eve with his proposition rather then Adam. Also Eve was totally fooled by Satan while Adam was not...you have never noticed that before?

This is poor logic. It's true that Eve was deceived, but that says nothing about Adam or men or women in general.

You do not know who God is. If you really understood God, even just a little, you would be terrified to be trying to change two very clear and in context places in His word that tell us that men are to do the speaking in a mixed assembly.

Your repeated references to God's judgment on those who disagree with you do not add to this conversation. It must be frustrating when you can't browbeat people into agreement.

 

[StanJ]

I want you to read 1 Corinthians chapter 7 and tell me what does Paul reveal that people over look, you need to see it yourself first, if you can't see what reveals about himself, then you would be missing a very important point, look closely, with an open mind ?

Now you're just playing games. Either make a point or move along.

 

[Dagallen]

Now you're just playing games. Either make a point or move along.

I did make my point, I maybe you missed it. God does not see us as males and females, God see us as one, that's the oneness of God, therefore it does not matter if you male or female, it does not matter if yo are black or white, it does not matter if you are a Jew or Gentile, all that matters is who do you follow ? Do you follow Paul or do you follow Christ, Paul was not right all the time, just as Paul was not wrong all the time, Paul was not perfect and neither are we perfect in all understanding. In 1Corinthians 7, Paul gave his best advice, based on a lot of traditions of his time but Jesus says, because you live by your traditions, the word of God is of no affect, that applies to all of mankind, even Paul, you make Paul appear as though Paul was perfect in understanding, well clearly Paul reveals that everything people say he wrote, Paul clearly shows that everything he wrote was not from the Lord but you must have missed that part of the message of Paul but then again I did not write the scriptures but they are what they are, the inspired words of Paul and at times the inspired words of the Lord..

 

[StanJ]

I did make my point, I maybe you missed it. God does not see us as males and females, God see us as one, that's the oneness of God, therefore it does not matter if you male or female, it does not matter if yo are black or white, it does not matter if you are a Jew or Gentile, all that matters is who do you follow ? Do you follow Paul or do you follow Christ, Paul was not right all the time, just as Paul was not wrong all the time, Paul was not perfect and neither are we perfect in all understanding. In 1Corinthians 7, Paul gave his best advice, based on a lot of traditions of his time but Jesus says, because you live by your traditions, the word of God is of no affect, that applies to all of mankind, even Paul, you make Paul appear as though Paul was perfect in understanding, well clearly Paul reveals that everything people say he wrote, Paul clearly shows that everything he wrote was not from the Lord but you must have missed that part of the message of Paul but then again I did not write the scriptures but they are what they are, the inspired words of Paul and at times the inspired words of the Lord..

Much Ado About Nothing and you're still not making a point about how 1 Cor 7 relates to or informs us about what Paul said regarding women being silent in the church.

 

[JIMBO43]

So Im basically looking for some closure on this subject.

When I was 5 years old the first church I ever started attending was lead by A female Pastor. I was a regular for about 10 years. The pastor and My grandmother were best friends and she Preached at her funeral when he passed tragically.
I was saved at this church and witnessed many life changing things.

To me she was called. The absolutely incredible ways I would see God move through our church services and the amazing ways she would minister to us and help us really never made me doubt here calling. She was and still is my biggest inspiration as far as everything I hope to be one day.

So after reading that you can now imagine how hard it is to read passages like 1 Timothy 3- "The Husband of One Wife"
and 1 Tim 2:12 "I do not permit a women to teach nor have authority over a man"
And I also read about the Women Prophets of the Old testament like Miriam and others. And also places that speak of women prophesying.


I've had people tell me that the one I look up to the most is a false teacher because she is a women leading a church. That hurts my soul to hear things like that but I never want to argue the Scripture.

What is your take on the subject? Would you doubt someone's calling despite all of the wonderful fruit they produce?
Is our understanding of these passages wrong? Let me know what you think please.



This is the church and The Pastor I am referring to. --> Stephanie Taylor: Jesus Saves the Stripper | CBN.com (The pastor comes in later, not stephiane)

My thoughts on this matter is the men of the old where warriors heroes. legends.

Men of the old where trained for combat from an early age i bet.

Men of the old where conquerors.

Men of the old where carnal the spirit hadnt been given and there ways where not of christ. So for them a women was gentle women who must perform other duties.

And the duties where not to be leaders, but then when theres no man to defend because they have been killed,,, then if the women has not been trained to fight or lead,,,,,,,,,,,, then how are they going to defend.

That said paul who wrote that women must not teach may well still have had carnal thoughts floating around his head, but then some will say if its in the biblle its God inspired,,

Im sorry but if all scripture is God inspired then its ok to have two wives as Gods chosen people had two wives who they slept with.

 

[Dagallen]

My thoughts on this matter is the men of the old where warriors heroes. legends.

Men of the old where trained for combat from an early age i bet.

Men of the old where conquerors.

Men of the old where carnal the spirit hadnt been given and there ways where not of christ. So for them a women was gentle women who must perform other duties.

And the duties where not to be leaders, but then when theres no man to defend because they have been killed,,, then if the women has not been trained to fight or lead,,,,,,,,,,,, then how are they going to defend.

That said paul who wrote that women must not teach may well still have had carnal thoughts floating around his head, but then some will say if its in the biblle its God inspired,,

Im sorry but if all scripture is God inspired then its ok to have two wives as Gods chosen people had two wives who they slept with.

Now is a Historical fact, good response, as a Historian looks for patterns if that time and many times something repeated or carried over from writer after writer.

 

[Dagallen]

My thoughts on this matter is the men of the old where warriors heroes. legends.

Men of the old where trained for combat from an early age i bet.

Men of the old where conquerors.

Men of the old where carnal the spirit hadnt been given and there ways where not of christ. So for them a women was gentle women who must perform other duties.

And the duties where not to be leaders, but then when theres no man to defend because they have been killed,,, then if the women has not been trained to fight or lead,,,,,,,,,,,, then how are they going to defend.

That said paul who wrote that women must not teach may well still have had carnal thoughts floating around his head, but then some will say if its in the biblle its God inspired,,

Im sorry but if all scripture is God inspired then its ok to have two wives as Gods chosen people had two wives who they slept with.

Now is a Historical fact, good response, as a Historian looks for patterns of that time and how many times something is repeated or carried over from writer after writer.

 

[wolfwint]

This is poor logic. It's true that Eve was deceived, but that says nothing about Adam or men or women in general.



Your repeated references to God's judgment on those who disagree with you do not add to this conversation. It must be frustrating when you can't browbeat people into agreement.

Why you then not read what the word of god says? F.e. 1.Tim 2,11-14 ore Genesis 3,16? There it is clear said why a woman should not rule over man. And the role of a Pastor ore eldest is to lead and to have authority

 

[Dagallen]

Read the story of Solomon.

 

[wolfwint]

I did make my point, I maybe you missed it. God does not see us as males and females, God see us as one, that's the oneness of God, therefore it does not matter if you male or female, it does not matter if yo are black or white, it does not matter if you are a Jew or Gentile, all that matters is who do you follow ? Do you follow Paul or do you follow Christ, Paul was not right all the time, just as Paul was not wrong all the time, Paul was not perfect and neither are we perfect in all understanding. In 1Corinthians 7, Paul gave his best advice, based on a lot of traditions of his time but Jesus says, because you live by your traditions, the word of God is of no affect, that applies to all of mankind, even Paul, you make Paul appear as though Paul was perfect in understanding, well clearly Paul reveals that everything people say he wrote, Paul clearly shows that everything he wrote was not from the Lord but you must have missed that part of the message of Paul but then again I did not write the scriptures but they are what they are, the inspired words of Paul and at times the inspired words of the Lord..

Who then is the one who determine what is the word of God? Like in Germany were each Protestant university teaches different what is the word of God and what not.
I believe all word is inspired! If you make differences the chance to come to an false view ore conclusion is very big.
You are right when you mean that all are same worth in front of God. Man-Woman, Jew-Gentile, black-white. But you are wrong if you think their is no different in the tasks man and woman have. The woman was build for to be a helper for the man. Genesis 2,18; Together they build an unit!

 

[Dagallen]

Genesis 3:16 and your desire shall be to your husband and he shall rule over you. Note: now based on what some teach which is that Adam was the first man and only man on earth and Eve was the only woman, this applies to Adam and Eve because it was taught that these were the only two on earth, however Eve falls first and she fell first, Adam had authority over her because Adam had not fallen yet, however Adam did fall at some point, therefore both were equal in the fall, Adam lost his authority over Eve because he had fallen as well.

 

[Dagallen]

Who then is the one who determine what is the word of God? Like in Germany were each Protestant university teaches different what is the word of God and what not.
I believe all word is inspired! If you make differences the chance to come to an false view ore conclusion is very big.
You are right when you mean that all are same worth in front of God. Man-Woman, Jew-Gentile, black-white. But you are wrong if you think their is no different in the tasks man and woman have. The woman was build for to be a helper for the man. Genesis 2,18; Together they build an unit!

Why did man need a helper ? Because man was weak, just as a woman was weak, if man was so strong, then man would had no need for a helper, therefore where a man is weak, a woman is strong, where a woman is weak, a man is strong, as both complement each other.