Once saved, always saved. Chosen elect of God?

[eternally-gratefull]

So Peter denied Jesus, denied even knowing Him, to save his life. So was peter an antichrist?
And another place Jesus actually called him satan.
So peter peter denied Jesus, yet Jesus didn't deny peter.
How much of that had to do with peter repenting and returning?

Look what peter did.. And how he died. I would say peter based on experiencing Gods forgiveness, became a new man with power and went to do great things.

I pray I could be like peter.. May never happen. But I know one thing, the whole time I was a prodigal son, Living in the world because of my circumstance and lack of faith, I never stopped believing Jesus was the Christ. I did, lack faith, and questioned my salvation. But I know God never would stop and question his love for me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If any person that does not follow God who believes they are saved, but as you say they was never saved. Then that opens the door to every time I fall from God for awhile then maybe I wasn't truly saved. In my past I fell away from God for months until God spoke to me through his Word. God telling me Son are you going to fully follow me or not? You can't be half way. It comes down to that decision am I going to fully follow God or half or none. This world really does it best to make us too busy for God and people only half follow him. Half following God will lead to he'll just as much as none.

I am confused. What is it you think a person can do to lose salvation?

Deny jesus and say I no longer believe in you.

or fall into sin?

because it seems we are going in circles. i think you mean one thing, maybe not..


as for 1 John 2....

it is in regards to a person once claiming to have faith in Jesus, and now deny's him. because of lack of faith, that was what I was responding to.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Matthew 26:34 - “Truly I tell you, Jesus declared, “- this very night before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times.” Peter replied, “Even if I must die with You, I will never deny You.” And the rest of the disciples said the same.…

As the scriptures state peter didnt want to deny him. Peter clearly didn't care about death let alone being afraid to be arrested

Peter was strong when Jesus was with him, Seeing Jesus in chains and beaten had to be a horrific site.. Remember he did not even believe jesus would die and rise again until he saw him after 3 days./

 

[eternally-gratefull]

LOL...buddy....you come up a thousand different ways to not believe in what our Lord Jesus Christ has said and has done for us and to rely on what we do instead. That is one horrible way to live my friend.

I am not sure that was a brotherly way of saying what you wanted to say. it sounds rude to me and it stops any line of communication. because it is judging, not discussing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Then why he told peter to begin with, you think he said it just to be saying it?

for peters benefit after the fact.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Question... Do you believe in the osas doctrine & if so how often do you seek forgiveness if at all.

what does this have to do with Peter having to obey Jesus and sin?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think you meant "Not" believe otherwise we all would be condemned... lol

yes thank you.,,

see. I am not perfect..lol

 

[Grace777x70]

I am not sure that was a brotherly way of saying what you wanted to say. it sounds rude to me and it stops any line of communication. because it is judging, not discussing.

I should have said that we can come up with a thousand different ways to not believe in what the Lord has said. It is really something that we all can do in some form or other.

I apologize to my brother roughsoul1991. Thank you EG for showing me a better way of communicating truths that bring grace to others.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is true but still his children must except the son in order to be with the father. Does that mean we stop at saying I believe and were saved? No not true.

If we say we stop believing we are antichrists. (According to johns definition)

John said we were never saved.

And yes , A person must accept fully and repent to be a adopted as a child.. Until then, they are still an outsider..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Peter clearly stated he was willing to die yet you constantly believe he was afraid, lol. Believe what you want

Alot of people claim things which are not true.

actions speak louder than words. Peter did not act when he was alone.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I should have said that we can come up with a thousand different ways to not believe in what the Lord has said. It is really something that we all can do in some form or other.

I apologize to my brother roughsoul1991. Thank you EG for showing me a better way of communicating truths that bring grace to others.

thank you for taking brotherly love, and not trying to defend yourself.

 

[Grace777x70]

thank you for taking brotherly love, and not trying to defend yourself.

What do you mean?....ya' heretic!...(lol...)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What do you mean?....ya' heretic!...(lol...)

lol.. No cookies for you tonight,go to your corner!.

 

[Grace777x70]

lol.. No cookies for you tonight,go to your corner!.

LOL...I'm off to play pickleball then if ya'll are not going to get saved right and if you want to stay in rebellion...

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Question... Do you believe in the osas doctrine & if so how often do you seek forgiveness if at all.

I believe in OSAS but with some caveats.
I believe I have to continue to abide (trust).
I believe subsequent unbelief can do me damage.
But I also believe I would never in a million years be able to even see the areas I am unbelieving in unless I had the Spirit to show me.

Some believe that after He shows them areas of unbelief that they can still continue in them and it does no harm. I don't believe that. My problem is that I am too clever for myself. I mean that literally. I am actually able to deceive my own self that I am in trust when I am in the exact opposite of trust.
It's not a conversation that can be had quickly. If its tried to have quickly, all will think I don't believe in Christ for saving, when what I really believe is that the blood doesn't cover unbelief.

However, I don't believe He expects me to walk by light I haven't yet received. So you see, it's not a conversation that can be just flown through. And everyone is like this. You can't label a single one of them when it comes right down to it. It requires real and committed conversation. That conversation can't happen when one or the other, (or even both), men are defending a doctrine.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

LOL...I'm off to play pickleball then if ya'll are not going to get saved right and if you want to stay in rebellion...

ok thats it, Go to your room. No picketball for you Mr! lol

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I am not sure that was a brotherly way of saying what you wanted to say. it sounds rude to me and it stops any line of communication. because it is judging, not discussing.

I actually lost myself a little bit too, with PrinceNY. I said something I regretted but five minutes had passed. He really does believe that peter was commanded to deny his Lord. And I didn't act real sisterly in one of my comments. So I'm sorry Prince.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I actually lost myself a little bit too, with PrinceNY. I said something I regretted but five minutes had passed. He really does believe that peter was commanded to deny his Lord. And I didn't act real sisterly in one of my comments. So I'm sorry Prince.

I think we all have been guilty of this.. (I know i have) Thank God we have brothers and sisters to set us back. So as to encourage others..(especially those sinned against)

 

[JIMBO43]

Is the belief in the concept once saved, always saved biblical? So for example if a Christian one day has a bad event in life and blames God to the point he feels their is no God and decides to live as he wants. Is the person still saved. Since God calls his people the elect.

But James warns us to be James 1:22-25Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

22 But be doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 Because if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man looking at his own face[a] in a mirror. 24 For he looks at himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But the one who looks intently into the perfect law of freedom and perseveres in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but one who does good works—this person will be blessed in what he does.

Sound good to me, this scripture says warning remember your duties. Nothing more nothing less its not a doctrin of you can lose your salvation.

James 2:26Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

To me it seems we must be doers and let the light of God show through our lives or else our faith is dead.

But yet we have these scriptures speaking on the elect and predestination.

we must is not the definition of this parrable here but more in line with the definition here would be for those of you who are saved you will do good work anyways.

Matthew 22:14Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

14 “For many are invited, but few are chosen".

This is true few are chosen like moses etc this scripture doesnt have nothing to do with salvation.

Matthew 24:22Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

22 Unless those days were limited, no one would[a] survive.[b] But those days will be limited because of the elect.

what does this mean to you just intrested. as i cant see what your asking here.

Luke 18:7Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

7 Will not God grant justice to His elect who cry out to Him day and night? Will He delay to help them?[a].

Depends on the circustances i think,, free will etc.

John 13:18Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB).

18 I’m not speaking about all of you; I know those I have chosen.But the Scripture must be fulfilled: The one who eats My bread[a]has raised his heel against Me.

Jesus christ declared moses was not a deciple.

John 15:16Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you. I appointed you that you should go out and produce fruit and that your fruit should remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you.

In his own time to i may add.

Acts 2:23Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

23 Though He was delivered up according to God’s determined plan and foreknowledge, you used[a] lawless people[b] to nail Him to a cross and kill Him.

Sad but true.

Romans 8:29-30Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

29 For those He foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those He predestined, He also called; and those He called, He also justified; and those He justified, He also glorified.


Romans 9:11Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

11 For though her sons had not been born yet or done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to election might stand—


Ephesians 1:4-5Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

4 For He chose us in Him, before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless in His sight.[a] In love[b] 5 He predestined us to be adopted through Jesus Christ for Himself, according to His favor and will,


1 Peter 1:1-2Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

Greeting

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ:
To the temporary residents dispersed[a] in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, chosen 2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father and set apart by the Spirit for obedience and for sprinkling with the blood of Jesus Christ.
May grace and peace be multiplied to you.

So my questions are....

We see the words foreknowledge, chosen, elect, predestined, foreknew, and determined plan.
I am confused if Jesus died for all of mankind past, present, and future how can some be chosen over others and if active Christians are the chosen then does this mean once saved, always saved is biblical? Does this mean if a Christian falls away from Faith he was never truly chosen? Does this indicate the Devil has children as well predestined to be evil?


1 John 3:9-10Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

9 Everyone who has been born of God does not sin,[a] because His[b] seed remains in him; he is not able to sin,[c] because he has been born of God. 10 This is how God’s children—and the Devil’s children—are made evident.

Well there is belief that satans blood lives and breaths on this plannet, in my view anythings possible with demons there super inteligent and super natural. But answer your question few are chosen because few will do the work how he wants it done,, first time and few are also told to die to self daily.

 

[PrynceNY]

I actually lost myself a little bit too, with PrinceNY. I said something I regretted but five minutes had passed. He really does believe that peter was commanded to deny his Lord. And I didn't act real sisterly in one of my comments. So I'm sorry Prince.

I accept your apology however I wasn't offended. It can easily be taken as the Lord relying future events as he often does which I accept as well. I'm more concerned about people getting upset during conversations because I don't want you or anyone to be judged for it.