Prodigal son - eternally saved or the lost who found God

[BeyondET]

More clues that this is yet futuristic.

Out of the 3 angels mentioned in Revelation 14:6-11, this had never happened yet.

Revelation 14:[SUP]9 [/SUP]And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,[SUP]10 [/SUP]The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:[SUP]11 [/SUP]And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Eternal torment awaits those that receive the mark to be able to buy and sell in this coming new world order.

This explains what the mark will do... give the bearer the ability to buy and sell in the coming new world order.

Revelations 13:[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.[SUP]12 [/SUP]And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.[SUP]13 [/SUP]And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,[SUP]14 [/SUP]And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.[SUP]15 [/SUP]And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.[SUP]16 [/SUP]And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:[SUP]17 [/SUP]And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.[SUP]18 [/SUP]Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

It is common sense that the mark will be the biochip that people are using now to buy & sell in Europe but it is not the mark of the beast yet because it is not the only means to buy and sell.

The new world order will make it mandatory if any one wishes to buy and sell as resources will be pooled and controlled on that side of the world because one third of the earth got burned up.

That is the hour that shall try all upon the earth as Jesus promised one of the 7 churches in Revelation that they will escape from by not being on that earth to undergo that trial.

Revelation 3:[SUP]10[/SUP]Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Jesus also warned those that do not repent from spiritual fornication being committed in the church at Thyatira that they will be cast into the bed of the coming great tribulation.

Revelation 2:[SUP]20 [/SUP]Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.[SUP]21 [/SUP]And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.[SUP]22[/SUP]Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.[SUP]23 [/SUP]And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

So no one can say that this had happened yet in our past nor happening in our present yet. So that is why I see this as yet to happen and why we should be going before that throne of grace for help from Jesus Christ, trusting Him to prepare us and have us ready to go when it is time because the Bridegroom is coming soon.

I like this write up for it doesn't mention places that can't be proven in scripture as this place or that place like the northern hemisphere or the USA or anything like that. IMO even though this might seem like a small detail it's not and I'll say this what you mentioned before may take place in those areas I'm not saying your wrong for you may be right. But if it doesn't come to pass and it's not in those areas like the Western Hemisphere etc.. Then the responsibility for teaching others that info is on your shoulders. That's My opinion and certainly every person can have a opinion.

 

[PennEd]

I believe the inheritance the prodigal son received is riches of this world...things that fade but most people still value and strive to accumulate.

I have read the same passages of Scripture many times, and sometimes the Holy Spirit reveals a new aspect of His Word. I believe this is the case in this passage as your assessment is certainly true, but Scripture has multiple levels of depth and understanding.

Taking my earlier post a bit further, the Father told the older son that everything he had was going to the older son. the younger had blown his inheritance.
What DID the younger son get upon his return? He was arrayed by his Father and was welcome to the feast.
I think there will be those in the Kingdom that will have the clothes on their backs (given by Jesus) and be invited to the Wedding feast.

But it's all good sister. We'll all know the depths of His love and the total understanding of His Word one day, as we praise him forever!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Eternal life cannot be lost; but the first inheritance can be lost which is the eternal glory that comes with our salvation of being that vessel unto honor in His House; hence the elder son's standing with the father.

How can the prodigal son not be seen as a vessel unto dishonor in His House for having lost his inheritance to wild living?

What is the point of the vessel unto dishonor being in His House? Answer: they testify to the power of God in salvation for all those that even believe in His name. That is a glory in His House that will not go away.

So the blessings you recieve while hear on earth, all the things God promised to give to you, Your rightful inheritance..

How you treat those things will determine your eternal salvation? Can you please exxplain this to me, I do not see it or understand it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

IOW Jesus' sacrifice on the Cross isn't good enough?

Amen, The son was already saved, Thats what MADE HIM A SON.

He was an adopted son of God. His redemption and right to become a child of God purchased by the blood of Christ.

Ask anyone who ever became a prodigal how fun that is, Ask them how long before they start to realize, they are in trouble. Ask those who hit rock bottom, like the son in the parable did, and are left with 2 options..

1. Suicide
2. Return to the body.

I had to make that decision, I know many who have..

These people who do not understand, I can only assume they do not know what it is like to lose your fathers blessings..

 

[Roughsoul1991]

The Scripture specifically says he received his inheritance. Between that, and the fact that the Father says everything else is going to the older son, I believe the inheritance blown by the Prodigal son is the eternal rewards, or position in the Kingdom he would have received. NOT HIS SALVATION. Maybe he will be one of the least in the Kingdom, but he will be there nonetheless.

Yes but as I was saying do you believe he would of if he remained on his path of rebellion?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes but as I was saying do you believe he would of if he remained on his path of rebellion?

Jonah tried to rebel against God. How far could he get away from God where God no longer pursued him?

 

[PeterJens]

Fear, awe and wonder, for some are missing.

Jesus is man parables ends with judgement falling on the worst, cast out, lost.
Most of the parables has a dire warning to some.

If Jesus put this warning in, then we should be careful to listen and take note
why He is so concerned.

But those who are not concerned demonstrate in their theology of total acceptance
why they are so dismissive. They think Jesus agrees with them when obviously the
parables show another story.

Now the Kingdom is built on God word in our hearts. So how we sow this word is our
salvation or our lostness. It is the very words that will become our judge, so we should
listen very carefully and know who is our King.

There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.
John 12:48

The lips of the wise spread knowledge, but the hearts of fools are not upright.
Proverbs 15:7

 

[PeterJens]

Amen, The son was already saved, Thats what MADE HIM A SON.

He was an adopted son of God. His redemption and right to become a child of God purchased by the blood of Christ.

Ask anyone who ever became a prodigal how fun that is, Ask them how long before they start to realize, they are in trouble. Ask those who hit rock bottom, like the son in the parable did, and are left with 2 options..

1. Suicide
2. Return to the body.

I had to make that decision, I know many who have..

These people who do not understand, I can only assume they do not know what it is like to lose your fathers blessings..

This is a very sad testimony.
Such hurt and anger, such desperation, yet all turned into revenge against the people
who loved him in the past, who he now calls enemies.

This is testimony as to why you need a pure heart to walk with Christ and know His
will or you become a victim of the enemies schemes.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Jesus's sacrifice is enough for the believer. But the question for many is... Are the people that willingly sin and fall into rebellion against God was to die then are they still saved?

Once anyone has heard of Jesus and his sacrifice, they are no longer without excuse to turn and follow Jesus.

 

[Stephen63]

One cannot add to this parable, & then put faith in a notion that isn't there.

For example I've heard many people say that God will go after those that are His, & this is true..... but not always.

For instance..... this concept is not in this parable..... at all.

Here the father is standing, watching for His son to come home. Just because that father is watching doesn't mean he will return. What that does point to is God is not willing that any should perish, but that all come to repentance. God hopes they will.

But..... just because He isn't willing doesn't mean every one will come back to repentance. That's an individual's choice.

When a minister has been faithful & shows fruit of his ministry, then gets burned out & leaves the church completely, never to return, he's not a never-been-saved individual. He's a backslidden christian.

You see, many think the word 'christian' guarantees salvation. Being a cherub didn't guarantee Lucifer a permanent place in Heaven, did it?

Many also think being a 'son of God' guarantees automatic, unrevoked salvation, regardless of multitudes of unconfessed sin because a christian no longer feels conviction about them.

I believe God promises absolute faithfulness regarding "His" promises, not willing that any perish, but all come to repentance.

But, God cannot promise "we" will.

Look at this scripture very closely, & remember the apostles usually didn't make a habit of judging sinners.

1But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, 2and kept back some of the price for himself, with his wife’s full knowledge, and bringing a portion of it, he laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? 4“While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” 5And as he heard these words, Ananias fell down and breathed his last; and great fear came over all who heard of it. 6The young men got up and covered him up, and after carrying him out, they buried him.

Did you notice Paul said nothing about "acting as if you're a christian"? He directly blamed them for their hypocrisy of "giving the full price".

Do you think Paul wouldn't have left one stone unturned? After all, God is making an example of this christian couple's sin. The end result :

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But no one else dared to join them, even though all the people had high regard for them.

The people decided after that little fiasco that they'd better count the cost before "joining" them. God made His point clear.

 

[PennEd]

Yes but as I was saying do you believe he would of if he remained on his path of rebellion?

A fair, honest question. The short answer is I don't know, but I believe the Lord knows His, even if some that are His don't know or have forgotten, and since,[FONT=&quot] we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to [/FONT]His purpose ,God will use or allow bad circumstances, brought on by His children, to bring them back.

Remember, the prodigal son THOUGHT he had lost his sonship. The truth was he never did. Hope that answers a little bit.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus's sacrifice is enough for the believer. But the question for many is... Are the people that willingly sin and fall into rebellion against God was to die then are they still saved?

Can you explean explain to us how much sin is too much sin. What is the cut where I stop just making mistakes and where my sin actually turns to rebellion?

This would be a must if one is to answer your question.

Once anyone has heard of Jesus and his sacrifice, they are no longer without excuse to turn and follow Jesus.

Your right, and not everyone who turns and says they follow jesus is saved. It takes more than turning and following. It takes true faith.

That does not mean everyone who is saved will turn into Paul or Peter.. There will be many babes in christ in heaven..

Where as there will also be many people who look like christians, act like christians, talk like christians who appear morally upright who have never been known by God, and will not see heaven.

 

[gb9]

This is a very sad testimony.
Such hurt and anger, such desperation, yet all turned into revenge against the people
who loved him in the past, who he now calls enemies.

This is testimony as to why you need a pure heart to walk with Christ and know His
will or you become a victim of the enemies schemes.

so, according to you, the drunk, the drug addict, the liar, the thief, etc..... cannot come to Christ because they do not have clean hearts. wow. peter hits a new non-sense low everyday.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A fair, honest question. The short answer is I don't know, but I believe the Lord knows His, even if some that are His don't know or have forgotten, and since, we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose ,God will use or allow bad circumstances, brought on by His children, to bring them back.

Remember, the prodigal son THOUGHT he had lost his sonship. The truth was he never did. Hope that answers a little bit.

Excellent point. Thank you. Yes and Amen.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Jonah tried to rebel against God. How far could he get away from God where God no longer pursued him?

That's good for Jonah but In this current world we see people fall away from God all the time. My brother has and my cousin who had gone to church all her life decided she was tired of trying to live the biblical way of marriage. Divorced her husband and is now getting married to a woman.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is a very sad testimony.
Such hurt and anger, such desperation, yet all turned into revenge against the people
who loved him in the past, who he now calls enemies.

This is testimony as to why you need a pure heart to walk with Christ and know His
will or you become a victim of the enemies schemes.

There you go Ariel.

It is not me, I have not said one word to this man, I asked him to stop responding to me. And you can now see who is to blame.

I did not even respond to this person, and again, I am attacked.. This is for the birds.

 

[Ariel82]

so because they THGINK it, we should just all think it?

Howe can it be eternal life if it can be lost. Or must be earned by doing something, that is conditional life.

The above also answers Stephens last post.

My point is we should clearly state the imagery and what we each believe it symbolizes or we will just talk in circles or weird ameoba shaped discussion.

 

[Ariel82]

Never said you did EG....was hoping for a civilized discussion on the topic....might just start my own thread because it is a good parable to study.

Probably not though, hard to type with one eye. Lol.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's good for Jonah but In this current world we see people fall away from God all the time.

I see what your trying to say, but Jonahs world was really no different than our world. We still can not run away from God if we are true children, as the psalmist says, where can I go. where ever I go there you are..

My brother has and my cousin who had gone to church all her life decided she was tired of trying to live the biblical way of marriage. Divorced her husband and is now getting married to a woman.

King david comes to mind,

He was called a man after Gods own heart. Lived a life pleasing to God. spent most f his life praising God. then saw a woman, Called her to his palace, Basically raped her (no one can refuse the king nor would they) and even if it was nor rape. it was still sexual sin. When she got pregnant, He tried to lie about it, force her husband to go against his moral standard. When he refused, David had him killed. Then took the mans wife as his own.

Not to say your cousin or cousin are saved, or not..

Just saying unless you are sinless. You have no right to cast the stone of judgment on the adulterer.. Because you are just as guilty, as am I..

 

[BeyondET]

One cannot add to this parable, & then put faith in a notion that isn't there.

For example I've heard many people say that God will go after those that are His, & this is true..... but not always.

For instance..... this concept is not in this parable..... at all.

Here the father is standing, watching for His son to come home. Just because that father is watching doesn't mean he will return. What that does point to is God is not willing that any should perish, but that all come to repentance. God hopes they will.

But..... just because He isn't willing doesn't mean every one will come back to repentance. That's an individual's choice.

When a minister has been faithful & shows fruit of his ministry, then gets burned out & leaves the church completely, never to return, he's not a never-been-saved individual. He's a backslidden christian.

You see, many think the word 'christian' guarantees salvation. Being a cherub didn't guarantee Lucifer a permanent place in Heaven, did it?

Many also think being a 'son of God' guarantees automatic, unrevoked salvation, regardless of multitudes of unconfessed sin because he no longer feels conviction about them.

I believe God promises absolute faithfulness regarding "His" promises, not willing that any perish, but all come to repentance.

But, God cannot promise "we" will.

Look at this scripture very closely, & remember the apostles usually didn't make a habit of judging sinners.

1But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, 2and kept back some of the price for himself, with his wife’s full knowledge, and bringing a portion of it, he laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? 4“While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” 5And as he heard these words, Ananias fell down and breathed his last; and great fear came over all who heard of it. 6The young men got up and covered him up, and after carrying him out, they buried him.

Did you notice Paul said nothing about "acting as if you're a christian"? He directly blamed them for their hypocrisy of "giving the full price".

Do you think Paul wouldn't have left one stone unturned? After all, God is making an example of this christian couple's sin. The end result :

13 New Living Translation
But no one else dared to join them, even though all the people had high regard for them.

The people decided after that little fiasco that they'd better count the cost before "joining" them. God made His point clear.

You example of God will seek those who are his and saying there's no concept of that in that parable differs from mine..
For I can easily see God speaking in a soft still voice and saying to the man that hired the son to work in his field. "Give him a chance at working in your field feeding pigs". Thus still going out to help him in some capacity.. Is this true not 100% it's my concept of God going out before hand for the ones that are his.. So though you might not see a concept of God seeing what is happening to those that belong to him and assisting for even though that pig slop would be horrible to eat nonetheless it would have kept him alive..