The Nicene Creed

RBA238 · Feb 12, 2017

Let's Review in Scripture only that Water Baptism is an essential part of the One only Salvation plan Jesus laid Forth unto the Original Apostles before he returned unto heaven..ONE SALVATION PLAN...NOT TWO,.OR THREE, ETC.

first, read what Apostle Peter Preached at the very first Christian Church Service in Jerusalem where Jesus told them to begin The Christian Salvation Plan..(Book of Acts Chapter Two) The Day of Pentecost...Apostle Peter, whom Jesus Gave "The Keys" unto: ( Matthew 16 verses 17-19) Peter had the "Keys" and was the First Christian Preacher...If You read Acts Chapter 2 you'll read there were many Potential converts that heard Peter's Message (Acts 2 Verses 1-36).

In verse 37..When the converts felt heartfelt Conviction, they ask Peter and the other Apostles: "Men and Brethren WHAT SHALL WE DO"?

Peter stated: "Accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior, sat the Sinner's prayer, and welcome, you now are Saved"

Verse 38: "Then Peter said unto them, REPENT and BE BAPTIZED everyone of you IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for The REMISSION OF SINS AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST"....THIS is what every Bible states...My KJV agrees with this.

Now let's disect and break this down all 4
steps to see if all Fits...REPENT...Luke 13 verse 3-5..Jesus stated: EXCEPT YOU REPENT, YOU SHALL ALL LIKEWISE PERISH....CHECK

Being Water Baptized: Mark 16 verse 16:
Jesus stated: "He that BELEIVES AND IS BAPTIZED SHALL BE SAVED...AND HE THAT BELEIVES NOT SHALL BE DAMNED"...Check

Repentance equals "Beleif" does it Not? Why would a person ask to have their sins forgiven if they did'nt already BELEIVE First?
"BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS..."
Notice Peter did not tell them to be Water Baptized in The Titles of FATHER, SON, AND HOLY GHOST...Peter told them IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. Father, Son, Holy Ghost are 3 titles of One God who has one Name..Jesus Christ, not "3 Persons" as The Catholic Church began at 325AD at the Council of Nicea..and most denominations blindly follow this because they trust blindly what their Church Teaches rather then study, read, obey.

Next: let us read Where Water Baptism IS ESSENTIAL to have your sins washed away, and not obeying the baptismal formula outlined first by Apostle Peter means you beleive false teaching rather then what God's Holy Word teaches..
I Peter 3 verses 20-21...."which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the art was preparing (being built), WHEREIN FEW, that is 8 souls WERE SAVED BY WATER, The like figure Where unto EVEN BAPTISM DOES NOW ALSO SAVE US..NOT THE PUTTING AWAY OF THE FILTH OF THE FLESH, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ"

What does Full Immersion WATER BAPTISM signify, why is it Important for every Professed Blood Bought Child of God to do this?

(1) You Repent...Your old Sinful Life and Nature
Dies..

(2) You are "Buried" totally in Water covered In Water and Symbolically in The Blood Jesus Shed for all sin
In John 19 verse 34...The Roman Soldier pierced the Side of Jesus with a Spear anD BLOOD AND WATER CAME FORTH...so being totally submerged is Symbolic of being Covered in The Blood of Jesus.

Show me and Scripture in any Bible where (1) Any Baby or Young child was Water Baptized?
Remember what Jesus told us "HE THAT BELEIVES and is Baptized shall be saved (Mark 16 verse 16) can a month old baby BELEIVE??
what about a child up to the age of 7? No.

That is why the person being baptized and being Born Again, must be old enough to know what they want to do willingly.

Show me in any Scripture where any person was Baptized by the Apostles of Jesus in The Titles of FATHER, SON, HOLY GHOST? WHERE?. I rest my case... God Bless

Zmouth · Feb 12, 2017

StanJ said:

Forgiven because of salvation and yes because I believe in Jesus as being my savior and confessed him as such. Rom 10:9-11, and you're taking James out of context.

Did you have an actual point to make in quoting all this scripture?

Again do you have an actual point to make by rattling off all this scripture?

^ See post # 40

RBA238 · Feb 12, 2017

******Correction***** Peter DID NOT SAY "Accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior..

RBA238 · Feb 12, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

The Council of Nicea was held in 325AD. The Roman Emperor Sat over this first Official meeting of The Catholic Church..At this meeting The Doctrine of The "Trinity" was agreed upon when the Heathen Gnostic Scholars decided "Father, Son, Holy Ghost " were 3 persons. ..like the "3 Gods" they worshipped in Alexandria Egypt..ISIS..HORUS..SEB...this is where these "Wise" Men decided "Father, Son, Holy Ghost" were 3 Gods like they"re Sun God Trinity...
Satan was pleased with false doctrines.
Emperor Constantine was also Tbe First Pope of The Catholic Church because in Latin he was known as "Summus Pontifex" (The Pontiff)..

hornetguy · Feb 12, 2017

well.... everyone except Peter, apparently....

RBA238 · Feb 12, 2017

GRACE 770X7...Show us where a Convert was saved before he was Baptized..? Give us Chapter and verse?

Let's now go to Acts Chapter 1O and see if Cornelius ( A Gentile-Iralian) and his household were "Saved" before they got Baptized..

ACTS 10 verses 43-48...Cornelius and those in his house Beleived but they were not Saved until they followed the Acts 2 Verse 38 Salvation message.Notice Peter COMMANDED THEM TO BE BAPTIZED which they obeyed.
Remember in the Bible where it states "OBEDIENCE is BETTER then Sacrifice?

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Blik said:

What do you look like if all 91 years of your life were found through things you've said, letters you've written, and writings you've written? If I were to sit down and read it all, wouldn't you seem a bit scattered, indecisive, flip-floppy?

I dare say, even if you decided to go back today and reread Constantine, you'd get a different reaction too. This is what happens as we get older. Original ideas change to fit what we believe now. It's very evident in what you just wrote too. You don't change your mind, but Constantine did?

Well, then. I'm more likely to trust him than you, because according to your logic you haven't changed your mind in 91 years, and you're always right.

BTW, I do compare the Nicene Creed to scripture. Constantine didn't write the creed, he commissioned Christian scholars to set forth a creed of what is to be believed from the Bible. Line by line, I do get it, because I can see it in scripture too. That IS doctrine.

Doctrine is the setting forth of factual statements concerning a given subject. Christian doctrine is setting forth factual statements about God. The Nicene Creed was to fight against the heresy of the time that said Jesus wasn't God. In doing that, they started giving weight to another concept most of us take for granted now -- the trinity.

So, once again, I'm back to... Boy, you'll go anywhere to avoid the appearance with agreeing with doctrine! (That's not a good thing.)

Grace777x70 · Feb 12, 2017

RBA238 said:

Is someone that has received the Holy Spirit saved? If so, then Cornelius and his household were saved before they got water baptized. Water baptism in the New Covenant is an outward representation of what happened to the believer when they received Christ.

Peter even said - should we not refuse the water for them seeing that they have received the same Holy Spirit that we did. it's rally too bad that religious tradition was "watered" down water baptism to try to make it something that it isn't and thus we lose the real impact of the symbolism of dying with Christ and being raised to being a new creation in Him.

Acts 10:44-47 (NASB)
[SUP]44 [/SUP] While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.

[SUP]45 [/SUP] All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.

[SUP]46 [/SUP] For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,

[SUP]47 [/SUP] "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?"

Plain as day - Holy Spirit received and baptized before they were water BAPTISED.

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JaumeJ said:

Ah, but here's the thing. Last week you asked for help in understanding what is wrong with a back when it is diagnosed as... (Well, frankly? I can't remember the diagnosis because I don't understand medical terms, and tend to have to translate them into words I do understand. Then again, that's my point. lol)

I get God is triune. And I don't get God is triune. I do, however, have enough time wrestling with figuring out what the word "triune" means when it comes to God enough to believe the Bible does say he's triune. (And don't try to fix it so I'd understand the word. My first school was St. Patrick's, so I've been given all the lessons there are in three-in-one. I just don't get it, and don't think it's possible to get some things about God, because I'm finite, and his infinite. lol)

But notice something. I keep talking words we do know without understanding the original words. (A specific reason a back is bad and triune.) So, yeah. We're supposed to get God's word from his word through God working in us. I get that too. BUT considering I don't get triune to begin with, and given there is absolutely no way my limited mind would ever discover that one on its own, even through God working in me, how about God really does help us get his word by reading, listening, and studying people who did take the time to study something in God's word enough to tackle translating what they found out so others could get it too? (aka The Nicene Creed works for me, even when I couldn't get triune out of the Bible.)

You keep saying that everything we learn about God's word ought to come from God's word? Here's a surprise. Some of what I've learned about God's word came from you! Should I stop listening to you, because you aren't God's exact words?

How about we acknowledge God uses folks to help us get his word? That's not a horrible thing to admit, is it? After all, neither one of us truly understands what's wrong with our backs, not because nothing is wrong with them, but because doctors used words we don't understand and we can't seem to get them to translate them into something we do understand.

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Enow said:

I'm not as smart as Phil is. I might not be as smart as you are. But I'm pretty sure the spot you are completely missing is you think you have a clear view of which each oneness in the trinity is and their specific purposes, so you just want to prove you're the only one who gets the triune God just right -- T's crossed and I's dotted.

A bit of a problem for me. You're so busy proving you're right that you seem to have forgotten the triune God all together. Sooo, I really don't care if your smarter than I am. You've got nothing to teach me except that you might well be smarter than I am. I'd give any given person a 50% chance at being smarter and a 50% chance of not. It really doesn't matter where they stand if they actually have something -- anything -- worthwhile to teach.

Smartness ratio isn't worthwhile.

RBA238 · Feb 12, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

I said "Show me They Were Saved" Yes; I agree they had The Spirit but they did not Argue when Peter COMMANDED them to be Water Baptized. So my question to you is simply Why would Apostle Peter COMMAND THEM to be Water Baptized it was not necessary? See, your trying to use an excuse to agree with your perception of The Written Facts in te Acts 10 Narrative.

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RBA238 said:

Alexander Graham Bell's telephone was the precursor of the cell phone. Without his phone, there would be no cell phone today. Bell's telephone wasn't the cell phone. How about not hyping RCC history?

Grace777x70 · Feb 12, 2017

RBA238 said:

Receiving the Holy Spirit is being saved. It is also called being sealed by the Holy Spirit. Water baptism is simply an outward sign of what happened when they received the Holy Spirit. You can believe whatever you want.

Here is the process: You hear the message of Christ, you believe and then you are sealed with the Holy Spirit.

Same thing happened to Cornelius and his household. Exact same pattern.

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

In your religion if someone receives Christ and the Holy Spirit - then they die on the way to be water baptized - they are not saved. It's complete foolishness and a bunch of religious baloney.

I encourage all believers to be water baptized. It's a great blessing especially when it is taught right. It's a great representation of what happened to them in Christ. The same goes for communion.

p_rehbein · Feb 12, 2017

From the time Christ began His ministry.......water baptism has been an important part of a Believers life walk with Christ. The main reason is because Jesus gave us the example of water baptism when He Himself was water baptized by John the Baptist. It is important because it is an "outward" proclamation that serves as a "witness" to the Church and the world that a person has accepted Christ as Lord and Savior, and has become a disciple of Christ.

It is an "outward" witness of the "one Baptism" which is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. It is also is (or should be) the first act of obedience by the new Believer.

Water baptism is important in every Believers life, but it is not "unto salvation." If all one ever does is water baptize a sinner, all one ends up with is a wet sinner.......

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RBA238 · Feb 12, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

Let us view the following regarding "Once Saved/ Always saved":

I'm not certain you beleive that which many currently beleive. That once you get in Church you cannot be Lost..a Slam Dunk.
SAVED...SAVED. so in case anyone wants to agree that they not only are saved but will never lose the Salvation let us now read what
Apostle Paul Stated: I Corinthians 9 v 27:
"But I keep my Body and bring it into subjection: LEST BY ANY MEANS, WHEN I HAVE PREACHED TO OTHERS, I MYSELF SHOULD BE A CASTAWAY" Amen
.so, the question is: if "ONCE SAVED/ALWAYS SAVED" was true why was Apostle Paul concerned he might be a Castaway if he did'nt keep himself under subjection ( By The teachings of God's Holy Word)??

Enow · Feb 12, 2017

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A brother in India testify of honoring the Holy Spirit on Sunday at church when he felt something like liquid nitrogen seeping through his skull, and then he found himself confessing against his will an apology to the Holy Spirit for not believing that He did those dramatic manifestations as He had done in the early church days.

Why would the Holy Spirit be a bully to someone honoring Him that day? Why would He forced him against his will in asking for forgiveness when a genuine one would please God more?

Why is it that movements of the spirit can be linked to focusing on the Holy Spirit in worship? Why does these things always happen when praying to the Holy Spirit? Why would God allow confusion to occur?

Because scripture tells us why; Jesus is really the only way to God the Father in worship ( John 14:6 ) and by honoring the Son is the only way to honor the Father ( John 5:23 ) and when we go another way ( John 10:1 )... like focus on the Holy Spirit, that is why God allow strong delusion to occur as many are falling away from the faith in giving heed to seducing spirits, thinking the Holy Spirit is answering prayers in worship and falling on saved believers when the Holy Spirit was already in them by faith in Jesus Christ after hearing the gospel.

A neighbor across the street testified that after all those years as a believer, one day she was reading the Bile and bam, she was filled with the Holy Ghost and spoke with tongues and she declared that was when she was saved because she got it all at once.

Is it any wonder why people are out there preaching that if you do not speak in tongues, you do not have the Holy Spirit, and therefore you are not saved when hearing my neighbor's testimony?

So that is why believers need His words to understand that the Nicene creed is not Biblically supported in scripture of the KJV. See post #8 for all the other reproofs in that Nicene creed.

The Holy Spirit is God but His role is to put the spotlight on the Son ( John 15:26& John 16:14 ); It is the spirits of the antichrist that would take the spotlight off of the Son in worship to chasing after them to receive after a sign.

You do not need the Nicene creed to believe in the Triune God, BUT in the Nicene creed are false teachings that lead many astray in these latter days where faith is hard to find.

StanJ · Feb 12, 2017

RBA238 said:

Luke 7:50 come to mind right away. Read Romans 10:9-10 as well.

StanJ · Feb 12, 2017

Zmouth said:

That has nothing to do with me and completely avoids two questions I asked you.

RBA238 · Feb 12, 2017

StanJ said:

Ahh Jesus was the one who saved the Woman in Luke 9 verse 50 before The New Testament salvation plan started after he died on the cross
That is when the Acts 2 verse 38 Salvation plan was ushered in...Remember when Jesus Died on The Cross and the veil in the temple ripped down the middle? That is the official start of the New Testament Church and Salvation plan came in...Also Remember when The Theif on the cross told Jesus he beleived in him?
(Luke 23 verse 41-43) He also died under the old law. Because God saved whom pleased him like Abraham, Moses, etc. They were under OT Law and did not have to get Water Baptized as part of the Salvation plan...
Remember what Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3 verse 5? "EXCEPT a man be born OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT, HE CANNOT enter the kingdom of God"

This applies to every Man and Woman who has been born since Jesus Died at Calvary.
As far as the other two scriptures you typed..I have told you and everyone who read this The Truth from your Bible. I don't divide the Word up to fit my personal Theory...you need to study what I revealed before you ascertain I make things up...Tsk..Tsk.

StanJ · Feb 12, 2017

RBA238 said:

So Jesus lied when He told that woman she was saved? I suggest you read Luke 19:9 & 10.
There is nothing in the New Testament that indicates people were only saved after Jesus died and rose again from the dead.
You seem to forget that Abraham and all those who believed as he did we're also saved.
What Jesus said to Nicodemus was that a person had to be human ( born of water) and born-again of the spirit in order to be part of the kingdom of God which was on Earth. The kingdom God was already there and many people didn't realize it. Matt 21:31.
I'm afraid your understanding and concept of salvation in the scriptures is severely flawed. Matt 6:33

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