Mark of the Beast --- 666

[Timeline]

Can you give any of the prophetic visions that specifically define and name any earthly events over the past 2000 years?

You cannot, because none are there .... absolutely none

No ancient Roman Empire, no Arabian Empire [bigger than the Roman], no Crusades or inquisition, no WW1 or WW2, no Holocaust, none of the recent wars between Israel and the Muslims, no Persian Gulf wars, etc

These are significant world events and none are mentioned in the scope of any vision .... not even 70 AD

70 AD was not the time of the end obviously .... and neither does the Lord include the period in his discourse .... He is looking much further to the end of this present age and the 70th week decreed for Israel .... same as the coming tribulation period

Ezekiel 12:21-28
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying, [SUP]22 [/SUP]“Son of man, what is this proverb you people have concerning the land of Israel, saying, ‘The days are long and every vision fails’? [SUP]23 [/SUP]Therefore say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “I will make this proverb cease so that they will no longer use it as a proverb in Israel.” But tell them, “The days draw near as well as the fulfillment of every vision. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For there will no longer be any false vision or flattering divination within the house of Israel. [SUP]25 [/SUP]For I the Lord will speak, and whatever word I speak will be performed. It will no longer be delayed, for in your days, O rebellious house, I will speak the word and perform it,” declares the Lord God.’”[SUP]26 [/SUP]Furthermore, the word of the Lord came to me, saying, [SUP]27 [/SUP]“Son of man, behold, the house of Israel is saying, ‘The vision that he sees is for many years from now, and he prophesies of times far off.’ [SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “None of My words will be delayed any longer. Whatever word I speak will be performed,”’” declares the Lord God.

 

[bafa]

Can you give any of the prophetic visions that specifically define and name any earthly events over the past 2000 years?

You cannot, because none are there .... absolutely none

No ancient Roman Empire, no Arabian Empire [bigger than the Roman], no Crusades or inquisition, no WW1 or WW2, no Holocaust, none of the recent wars between Israel and the Muslims, no Persian Gulf wars, etc

These are significant world events and none are mentioned in the scope of any vision .... not even 70 AD

70 AD was not the time of the end obviously .... and neither does the Lord include the period in his discourse .... He is looking much further to the end of this present age and the 70th week decreed for Israel .... same as the coming tribulation period

...then it's not 666. it's not even satanism but it's a satanic movement. and my tribulations are already finished.i pray that you surpasses yours too against this wind that's polluting your natural mind. obscurity spirit really can decive you.

 

[Locutus]

Kenneth Gentry does an excellent job of establishing the early date of the book of revelation

BEFORE JERUSALEM FELL Dating the Book of Revelation An Exegetical and Historical Argument for a Pre-A.D. 70 Composition

Free PDF link below - it's an excellent read:


http://www.garynorth.com/freebooks/docs/pdf/before_jerusalem_fell.pdf

 

[garee]

In that parable ..(Revelation 13) the number of the beast (man) 666/1000 or two thirds. It is used to represent unconverted man .

2/3 is used throughout scripture for that purpose.

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

They are those who sell truth (the gospel) like Esau sold it for a bowl of soup.

Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

 

[Bladerunner]

The only proof you have supposedly that Revelation was written after the fall of 70AD is an ambiguous statement from Irenaeus.

Most scholars will agree that Revelation was written around 94 AD. well after 70AD.

 

[posthuman]

The only proof you have supposedly that Revelation was written after the fall of 70AD is an ambiguous statement from Irenaeus.

not so.

((quoting below from Christian Courier https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1552-when-was-the-book-of-revelation-written))

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Irenaeus

Irenaeus (A.D. 180), a student of Polycarp (who was a disciple of the apostle John), wrote that the apocalyptic vision “was seen not very long ago, almost in our own generation, at the close of the reign of Domitian” (Against Heresies 30). The testimony of Irenaeus, not far removed from the apostolic age, is first rate. He places the book near the end of Domitian’s reign, and that ruler died in A.D. 96. Irenaeus seems to be unaware of any other view for the date of the book of Revelation.

Clement of Alexandria

Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 155-215) says that John returned from the isle of Patmos “after the tyrant was dead” (Who Is the Rich Man? 42), and Eusebius, known as the “Father of Church History,” identifies the “tyrant” as Domitian (Ecclesiastical History III.23).
Even Moses Stuart, America’s most prominent preterist, admitted that the “tyrant here meant is probably Domitian.” Within this narrative, Clement further speaks of John as an “old man.” If Revelation was written prior to A.D. 70, it would scarcely seem appropriate to refer to John as an old man, since he would only have been in his early sixties at this time.

Victorinus

Victorinus (late third century), author of the earliest commentary on the book of Revelation, wrote:

When John said these things, he was in the island of Patmos, condemned to the mines by Caesar Domitian. There he saw the Apocalypse; and when at length grown old, he thought that he should receive his release by suffering; but Domitian being killed, he was liberated (Commentary on Revelation 10:11).
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Jerome

Jerome (A.D. 340-420) said,

In the fourteenth then after Nero, Domitian having raised up a second persecution, he [John] was banished to the island of Patmos, and wrote the Apocalypse (Lives of Illustrious Men 9).
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To all of this may be added the comment of Eusebius, who contends that the historical tradition of his time (A.D. 324) placed the writing of the Apocalypse at the close of Domitian’s reign (III.18). McClintock and Strong, in contending for the later date, declare that “there is no mention in any writer of the first three centuries of any other time or place” (1969, 1064). Upon the basis of external evidence, therefore, there is little contest between the earlier and later dates.

Internal Evidence

The contents of the book of Revelation also suggest a late date, as the following observations indicate.
The spiritual conditions of the churches described in Revelation chapters two and three more readily harmonize with the late date.
The church in Ephesus, for instance, was not founded by Paul until the latter part of Claudius’s reign: and when he wrote to them from Rome, A.D. 61, instead of reproving them for any want of love, he commends their love and faith (Eph. 1:15) (Horne 1841, 382).
Yet, when Revelation was written, in spite of the fact that the Ephesians had been patient (2:2), they had also left their first love (v. 4), and this would seem to require a greater length of time than seven or eight years, as suggested by the early date.
Another internal evidence of a late date is that this book was penned while John was banished to Patmos (1:9). It is well known that Domitian had a fondness for this type of persecution. If, however, this persecution is dated in the time of Nero, how does one account for the fact that Peter and Paul are murdered, yet John is only exiled to an island? (Eusebius III.18; II.25).
Then consider this fact. The church at Laodicea is represented as existing under conditions of great wealth. She was rich and had need of nothing (3:17). In A.D. 60, though, Laodicea had been almost entirely destroyed by an earthquake. Surely it would have required more than eight or nine years for that city to have risen again to the state of affluence described in Revelation.
The doctrinal departures described in Revelation would appear to better fit the later dating. For example, the Nicolaitans (2:6, 15) were a full-fledged sect at the time of John’s writing, whereas they had only been hinted at in general terms in 2 Peter and Jude, which were written possibly around A.D. 65-66.
Persecution for professing the Christian faith is evidenced in those early letters to the seven churches of Asia Minor. For instance, Antipas had been killed in Pergamum (2:13). It is generally agreed among scholars, however, that Nero’s persecution was mostly confined to Rome; further, it was not for religious reasons (Harrison 1964, 446).

 

[Base12]

Which is why i stated in my previous post that the Mark is most likely going to be a spiritual and DNA mark, which will effectively turn us into hybrids or Nephilim, this is why we are told that anyone accepting the mark will be automatically sent to hell as the pure human spirit and body has now been corrupted into part supernatural being which is filthy perversion to GOd.

 

[Base12]

Lol...

While the Sheeple focus on the Microchip, the Mark is there in plain sight...

Isaiah 49:16
"Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me"

 

[Base12]

Exodus 13:16
"And it shall be for a token upon thine hand, and for frontlets between thine eyes: for by strength of hand the LORD brought us forth out of Egypt"

When One changes their DNA, One *ALSO* changes their unique Fingerprints, Palmprints and Facial Recognition Features.

Mark of the Beast...

Not a Tattoo, but the real thing... embedded in One's DNA forever.

Forever.

Forever.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Lol...

While the Sheeple focus on the Microchip, the Mark is there in plain sight...

Isaiah 49:16
"Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me"

Hello Base12,

The scripture in Isaiah that you quoted has nothing to do with the coming mark. Your argument is a moot point and that because we already have people being implanted with RFID chips, which I'm sure will eventually evolve into something even smaller.

The end result will be the device going into the right hand or forehead. It will replace card swiping and cell phone bank apps, the Chase Square and whatever other devices are out there that allow electronic crediting and debiting.

The way in which the false prophet will "force" all both great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive the mark, is that all of those other forms of buying and selling (cash, checks, credit and debit cards) will be made obsoleted, leaving only the mark.

This coming mark will end fencing-sitting in regards to Christ. For without that mark no one will be able to electronically credit and debit their bank accounts (buying and selling). It will force people to either receive it in order to be apart of the world system or they will reject it, keeping their testimony of Jesus and the word of God. As for those who receive it, Revelation 14:9-11 tells us what their fate will be.

The things that you provided above are just precursors to the mark which will go in the right hand or the forehead. The good news is, if we can see the stage being set for the mark of the beast, which are events that take place after the church has been gathered, then how close are we to the Lord's appearing to gather His church? Click on the link below, which is a BBC Newscast from Jan 2015 regarding the mark technology:

Swedish office staff offered implants to access facilities - BBC News

 

[Ahwatukee]

Most scholars will agree that Revelation was written around 94 AD. well after 70AD.

Agreed! Their claim that Revelation was written prior to 70 AD, is strictly to support the teaching of amillennialism or preterism. Most place Revelation written between 94-96 AD.

 

[bingbing]

I care little about receiving the "mark of the beast" and care more about having the "mark of God".

May I ask what is the "mark of God"?

 

[Locutus]

"Most scholars argument" - depends on which variety of end time "persuasion" they flogging....

 

[Locutus]

Rev 14:8 And another messenger did follow, saying, 'Fall, fall, did Babylon, the great city, because of the wine of the wrath of her whoredom she hath given to all nations to drink.'

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven messengers, who were having the seven vials, and he spake with me, saying to me, 'Come, I will shew to thee the judgment of the great whore, who is sitting upon the many waters,

Unless the identity of the great whore and the great city is correctly understood any interpretation of the whole book is going to be wrong.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Rev 14:8 And another messenger did follow, saying, 'Fall, fall, did Babylon, the great city, because of the wine of the wrath of her whoredom she hath given to all nations to drink.'

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven messengers, who were having the seven vials, and he spake with me, saying to me, 'Come, I will shew to thee the judgment of the great whore, who is sitting upon the many waters,

Unless the identity of the great whore and the great city is correctly understood any interpretation of the whole book is going to be wrong.

Hello Locutus,

Why would you make that claim? The book of Revelation is not only about Mystery Babylon, the woman who rides the beast. In fact, the woman is only introduced briefly in Rev.14 and in detail in Rev.17 & 18. For example, even though I know who Mystery Babylon is, I would not have to know who she is in order to understand the meaning of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Nor would it interfere with me being able to understand the letters to the seven churches, nor the mark of the beast, nor the information regarding the New Jerusalem.

Just sayin'

 

[Locutus]

I make the claim that if the identity is incorrect then it's impossible to correctly place the time and location of the events and who is being judged.

If as some claim the whore and the great city involved is Rome/Roman Catholic church then the interpretation is wrong.

 

[Bookends]

Most scholars will agree that Revelation was written around 94 AD. well after 70AD.

Thank God that the Majority isn't always right, and in many cases they aren't.

 

[pckts]

The rise of technology and globalism coinciding with the fall of morals and Christianity also has me vigilant to the mark of the beast, but isn't there a very important and directlystated scripture we must remember to keep in context?

Revelation 20:4(KJV)
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


I do not believe this is to be taken as some form of separation from the mind and body or feelings or anything like that, this seems to be a death penalty judgement for not only refusing the mark, but the "image" of the beast himself. So this verse implies the Beast/Anti-christ will have his image publicly known and refusing loyalty to this thing will result in death by beheading.

Until we see some kind of "world government" and arrival of some "thing" being worshiped as devine and a mark being out to distinguish those loyal to it from the rest, I do not believe we need to worry about our social security #s, Apple credit card app phone devices, new credit card chip you must insert instead of slide, DNA recognition, or Chip implanted with or without compliance.

The fact that you will be taken off to a camp somewhere and beheaded will probably be kept undisclosed, but it should be clear at the time of this event that you are receiving a physical implant to your body swearing your allegiance or citizenship or however they spin this to whatever "thing" they have act as anti-Christ.

So my question is, how far do you think we are away from a situation where a fake "divine" being will be ushered in and public executions will be carried out in the name of whatever twisted society it creates? We have certainly come a long way since 1917 in terms of mass-brainwashing and lack of faith among our brethren, but I do not think it is out of the realm of possibility this will not occur for at least another 100 years or more. It also could occur in 20-30 years I guess with a series of planned social movements at the governmental and world level.

Don't you think this scripture is important for understanding the context of the mark? And when and how do you believe this scripture can come to pass?

 

[Ahwatukee]

The rise of technology and globalism coinciding with the fall of morals and Christianity also has me vigilant to the mark of the beast, but isn't there a very important and directlystated scripture we must remember to keep in context?

Revelation 20:4(KJV)
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


I do not believe this is to be taken as some form of separation from the mind and body or feelings or anything like that, this seems to be a death penalty judgement for not only refusing the mark, but the "image" of the beast himself. So this verse implies the Beast/Anti-christ will have his image publicly known and refusing loyalty to this thing will result in death by beheading.

Until we see some kind of "world government" and arrival of some "thing" being worshiped as devine and a mark being out to distinguish those loyal to it from the rest, I do not believe we need to worry about our social security #s, Apple credit card app phone devices, new credit card chip you must insert instead of slide, DNA recognition, or Chip implanted with or without compliance.

The fact that you will be taken off to a camp somewhere and beheaded will probably be kept undisclosed, but it should be clear at the time of this event that you are receiving a physical implant to your body swearing your allegiance or citizenship or however they spin this to whatever "thing" they have act as anti-Christ.

So my question is, how far do you think we are away from a situation where a fake "divine" being will be ushered in and public executions will be carried out in the name of whatever twisted society it creates? We have certainly come a long way since 1917 in terms of mass-brainwashing and lack of faith among our brethren, but I do not think it is out of the realm of possibility this will not occur for at least another 100 years or more. It also could occur in 20-30 years I guess with a series of planned social movements at the governmental and world level.

Don't you think this scripture is important for understanding the context of the mark? And when and how do you believe this scripture can come to pass?

The point about the chip implants is that, the technology for the mark will have had to develop, for it is not just going spring up over night. Most people don't understand what the mark is nor do they understand that they use the same system that the mark will eventually use, which is the electronic crediting and debiting system, which is buy and selling.

People world-wide use this system everyday 24/7 and don't even realize it. By the use of this, they are being conditioned for the coming mark. The majority of people swipe their cards or pull up their cell phone bank app to make a purchases. These are the precursors to the coming mark. As we continue to draw nearer to the time of the beast, cash and checks will continue to be phased out and at around the middle of the seven year period, all other methods of buying and selling will be made obsolete, leaving only that device under the skin of the hand or the forehead as a means of electronic buying selling. It will force people to make a decision, which will either lead them to eternal life or eternal condemnation. No more gray area. No more fence sitting.

So my question is, how far do you think we are away from a situation where a fake "divine" being will be ushered in and public executions will be carried out in the name of whatever twisted society it creates? We have certainly come a long way since 1917 in terms of mass-brainwashing and lack of faith among our brethren, but I do not think it is out of the realm of possibility this will not occur for at least another 100 years or more. It also could occur in 20-30 years I guess with a series of planned social movements at the governmental and world level.

The fact that the electronic crediting and debiting system is already set up and now we have people being implanted under the skin of the hand, demonstrates that we are at the door step. If we can see the stage being set for events that are to take place after the church is gone, then how close are we to the Lord coming for his church?

 

[Adstar]

The rise of technology and globalism coinciding with the fall of morals and Christianity also has me vigilant to the mark of the beast, but isn't there a very important and directlystated scripture we must remember to keep in context?

Revelation 20:4(KJV)
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


I do not believe this is to be taken as some form of separation from the mind and body or feelings or anything like that, this seems to be a death penalty judgement for not only refusing the mark, but the "image" of the beast himself. So this verse implies the Beast/Anti-christ will have his image publicly known and refusing loyalty to this thing will result in death by beheading.

Until we see some kind of "world government" and arrival of some "thing" being worshiped as devine and a mark being out to distinguish those loyal to it from the rest, I do not believe we need to worry about our social security #s, Apple credit card app phone devices, new credit card chip you must insert instead of slide, DNA recognition, or Chip implanted with or without compliance.

The fact that you will be taken off to a camp somewhere and beheaded will probably be kept undisclosed, but it should be clear at the time of this event that you are receiving a physical implant to your body swearing your allegiance or citizenship or however they spin this to whatever "thing" they have act as anti-Christ.

So my question is, how far do you think we are away from a situation where a fake "divine" being will be ushered in and public executions will be carried out in the name of whatever twisted society it creates? We have certainly come a long way since 1917 in terms of mass-brainwashing and lack of faith among our brethren, but I do not think it is out of the realm of possibility this will not occur for at least another 100 years or more. It also could occur in 20-30 years I guess with a series of planned social movements at the governmental and world level.

Don't you think this scripture is important for understanding the context of the mark? And when and how do you believe this scripture can come to pass?

I don't believe refusal to recieve the Mark of the beast is the critical factor in seeing these people beheaded ( yes i believe they will be physically executed by being beheaded) The critical factor is that they will refuse to worship the image of the beast..

Revelation 13: KJV
15 "And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."

I see the Mark of the beast to be a reward given to those who decide to worrship the image of the beast.. I believe those who refuse to worship the image of the beast will be barred from recieving the Mark of the Beast.. They will be executed instead.