The Nicene Creed

[eternally-gratefull]

EG,

Thats about the biggest load of rubbish I have ever read.

The Jews use their History to deny Christ? Do you not mean they use their theological presuppositions and build that into their history to deny Christ?

And how do you know they still (as in modern) use their 'history' to deny Christ... have you read that somewhere?



I take church history seriously back to the Garden of Eden. That is why church history books are important.

Oh and how do you know about the church of rome and its teachings?

Rubbish is to use church history written by men who wanted nothing to do with God. Who twisted the truth of God. Who claimed that base theological teaching was heresy, and killed people who held to it, WHo used the power of rome to enforce it, and claiming it is important

You have a church history book, it is called the B I B L E.. If God wanted us to know more, he would have let us know.

Use it, trust it, it is inspired. Anything else is not trustworthy.

 

[phil36]

This is funny somebody mentioned to me about words not in language. Well the word condemn wasn't in the orginal Nicene creed that word didn't come about until later..

1350-1400; Middle English condempnen < Anglo-French, Old French condem (p) ner < Latin condemnāre. See con-, damn

Hi BeyondET,

It was written in Greek.. here is the word you are looking for ἀναθεματίζει

 

[phil36]

The Catholic Church did a lot of horrible and shady things, and they have a lot of money and power. Don't you think they had a lot of influence in how the church history books were written? I think it is best to look at all accounts of history to get a good picture.

Hi BrokenSparrow,

Yes the Roman Catholic church did some horrible things your right. I am not Roman Catholic and I am not standing up for them.

I definitely agree that the RC church has written many Historical works on Church history. They use a lot of the same works that protestants do. Remember there are not 2 separate histories. Even the reformers where Roman Catholic before they reformed. That is why we have the broad umbrella of Protestants..whether it be Baptist, Methodist, Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Anglican etc etc.

And you are coreect we need to look at all well researched and studied sources, after all that's what shines a light on facts. We have good Evangelical/protestant church history books with good balance.

 

[phil36]

Rubbish is to use church history written by men who wanted nothing to do with God. Who twisted the truth of God. Who claimed that base theological teaching was heresy, and killed people who held to it, WHo used the power of rome to enforce it, and claiming it is important

You have a church history book, it is called the B I B L E.. If God wanted us to know more, he would have let us know.

Use it, trust it, it is inspired. Anything else is not trustworthy.

Hi EG,

Just a quick question what do you know of the church of Rome, how do you know its wrong.... Yes I know we can check their doctrines and Dogmas against scripture.. but I am refering to the information that needs to be checked...

How does it help us to Know of the early heresies ie, docetecism , Arianism and the list goes on, when doing apologetics to say Mormons or Jehovahs witness'? (Does it help? to read what those of faith have found in scripture already)?

And I suppose you don't read any christian literature,,, because after all its of no use to anyone (thats your logic), including everything you say on here regarding the Faith?

 

[1ofthem]

It's your view, we all have one, you may think it's a joke, but I use anything I want no matter good or evil for a example...

And I'll show you example that all these scholars that can't get it right for a thousand years plus...

Crucification happened at 3 hour, the notice was posted at six hour..

Jh19:14 It was the day of Preparation of Passover Week, about the sixth hour. "Here is your king," Pilate said to the Jews.
Jh19:19 Pilate had a notice prepared and fastened to the cross. It read: JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS.
Jh19:20 Many of the Jews read this sign, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and the sign was written in Aramaic, Latin and Greek.


My advice to you is to preach to your church for I'm not buying it...

That is very interesting. Because I have seen many scholars who have tried to explain the 3 hour and 12 hour crucifixion, but never seen any line it up quite like that.

 

[Enow]

Hi BrokenSparrow,

Yes the Roman Catholic church did some horrible things your right. I am not Roman Catholic and I am not standing up for them.

I definitely agree that the RC church has written many Historical works on Church history. They use a lot of the same works that protestants do. Remember there are not 2 separate histories. Even the reformers where Roman Catholic before they reformed. That is why we have the broad umbrella of Protestants..whether it be Baptist, Methodist, Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Anglican etc etc.

And you are coreect we need to look at all well researched and studied sources, after all that's what shines a light on facts. We have good Evangelical/protestant church history books with good balance.

Then research where they got the gumption to include the practice of worshiping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son where no room for that type of how the Father wants us to honor Him by was given.

John 5:[SUP]22 [/SUP]For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:[SUP]

Notice how verse 22 sets the precedent for the judgment that will be over every believer in how they wish to honor God in worship.

Now behold the standard of judgment over all believers in how God wants us to honor Him by.

John 5:23 [/SUP]That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

The Nicene creed is nothing more than the devil saying "Did God really say that?"

 

[phil36]

Then research where they got the gumption to include the practice of worshiping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son where no room for that type of how the Father wants us to honor Him by was given.

John 5:[SUP]22 [/SUP]For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:[SUP]

Notice how verse 22 sets the precedent for the judgment that will be over every believer in how they wish to honor God in worship.

Now behold the standard of judgment over all believers in how God wants us to honor Him by.

John 5:23 [/SUP]That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

The Nicene creed is nothing more than the devil saying "Did God really say that?"

Hi Enow,

I'll answer your question only one more time (for probably the 10th time) then we are done here:

All the scriptures you post above I agree with..wholeheartedly (Yet I do not agree with your premise).

Here is the link for you to study: https://www.gotquestions.org/worship-Holy-Spirit.html

 

[Enow]

Hi Enow,

I'll answer your question only one more time (for probably the 10th time) then we are done here:

All the scriptures you post above I agree with..wholeheartedly (Yet I do not agree with your premise).

Here is the link for you to study: https://www.gotquestions.org/worship-Holy-Spirit.html

Then show me the scripture for me to agree with your premise that teaches the practice of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son even though the scripture leaves no room for your premise for me to agree with.

If you agree with the scripture, then there is no room for your the premise of the Nicene creed.

 

[StanJ]

Your condescending tone is offensive... but I'll overlook that for now.

Who is being foolish, and not using their brain? Do you think that in the 1st century, that baptismal fonts even existed? People were baptized wherever there was water... a river, a pond, a water tank for livestock...

Yes, I do think that 3000 people were baptized that day... it's what the Word says.

Have I ever been to a baptism? That's just stupid beyond belief.....

Look at all these "baptismal fonts"... we've even had a couple of baptisms in our swimming pool in our back yard...
So, how 'bout you stop being a twit, and simply address the subject with reason/logic? Leave the snide comments out of it? You know.... like adults do?

It wasn't condescension, it was sarcasm, you should learn to know the difference.

Again, sarcasm. If you want to be treated like a rational adult then speak like one. Read Acts 9:18 & 19 and tell me where Paul was baptized in water in the house on Straight Street?

The word says 3000 were baptized that day and the only way that could happen is if 3000 were baptized in the Holy Spirit not by water. Were the 120 baptized in the Holy Spirit or in water?

My questions are designed to make people think which apparently you refuse to do. Reactive and derogatory comments like yours just show a lack of any real forethought into this issue. I doubt I'll have any further interaction with you in this thread unless you stop talking smack and apologize.

 

[PeterJens]

Interesting looking at the early church fathers and their continual war with heresies.
It brings a totally different view on how hard it was, and how many different groups
happened.

The church has kept the records as a matter of integrity and other than academics
most simply do not care or want to even know what happened.

With the internet access to this knowledge has truly transformed what we can now
see has happened and what is significant.

Now groups who now discover their theology is founded on modern theological trends
which did not exist in the early church are now high and dry.

 

[Bladerunner]

Hi EG,

Just a quick question what do you know of the church of Rome, how do you know its wrong.... Yes I know we can check their doctrines and Dogmas against scripture.. but I am refering to the information that needs to be checked...

How does it help us to Know of the early heresies ie, docetecism , Arianism and the list goes on, when doing apologetics to say Mormons or Jehovahs witness'? (Does it help? to read what those of faith have found in scripture already)?

And I suppose you don't read any christian literature,,, because after all its of no use to anyone (thats your logic), including everything you say on here regarding the Faith?

and the Woman rides the Beast.....Wonder which church that is..?

 

[phil36]

and the Woman rides the Beast.....Wonder which church that is..?

And a quick question for you bladerunner, if you believe that to be a church how do you know thats?

And what do you mean by church?

 

[phil36]

Interesting looking at the early church fathers and their continual war with heresies.
It brings a totally different view on how hard it was, and how many different groups
happened.

The church has kept the records as a matter of integrity and other than academics
most simply do not care or want to even know what happened.

With the internet access to this knowledge has truly transformed what we can now
see has happened and what is significant.

Now groups who now discover their theology is founded on modern theological trends
which did not exist in the early church are now high and dry.

A very valid point.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hi EG,

Just a quick question what do you know of the church of Rome, how do you know its wrong.... Yes I know we can check their doctrines and Dogmas against scripture.. but I am refering to the information that needs to be checked...

How does it help us to Know of the early heresies ie, docetecism , Arianism and the list goes on, when doing apologetics to say Mormons or Jehovahs witness'? (Does it help? to read what those of faith have found in scripture already)?

And I suppose you don't read any christian literature,,, because after all its of no use to anyone (thats your logic), including everything you say on here regarding the Faith?

All I need is the word. That's how I know rome was wrong.. How else are we told to test the spirit?

Yes I read literature. But I trust nothing without putting it next to the word.

 

[hornetguy]

It wasn't condescension, it was sarcasm, you should learn to know the difference.

Again, sarcasm. If you want to be treated like a rational adult then speak like one. Read Acts 9:18 & 19 and tell me where Paul was baptized in water in the house on Straight Street?

The word says 3000 were baptized that day and the only way that could happen is if 3000 were baptized in the Holy Spirit not by water. Were the 120 baptized in the Holy Spirit or in water?

My questions are designed to make people think which apparently you refuse to do. Reactive and derogatory comments like yours just show a lack of any real forethought into this issue. I doubt I'll have any further interaction with you in this thread unless you stop talking smack and apologize.

con·de·scen·sion
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noun
noun: condescension; plural noun: condescensions

• an attitude of patronizing superiority; disdain.

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  • the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.
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    Since you used no irony in your comments, only derision and a patronizing attitude, it appears that YOU are the one that got it wrong. Reading comprehension is not your strong point, is it?
    
    And, I'm fine with you not discussing with me any more... no apologies will be forthcoming from me.. I don't apologize for attempting to have an adult discussion with arrogant, condescending twits.
    
    I just need to learn to not waste my time.... but that's an ongoing struggle for me.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
  
  
  
  
  

 

[Bladerunner]

And a quick question for you bladerunner, if you believe that to be a church how do you know thats?

And what do you mean by church?

give you a hint? It has a POPE.