Eternal Security You CANNOT lose your salvation! by David J. Stewart | January 2004

[notuptome]

A closed mind

An open mind is searching out other points of view and understanding how the logic
of a position is created. Once that position is defined and an answer constructed,
it may well disagree with the position, but it has been considered.

A closed mind is just dismissing another position without addressing its points.

I have seen this done because the person is literally scared of the consequences
emotionally and how they approach life, will be affected by working through the
ideas. And this is a fear for some, because their foundation is not strong.

But if you are committed to finding the truth, and have real trust in Christ, we are
called to face the truth.

A simple test of this is, how many times did Jesus curse the fig tree? Once or twice?
How many times did Jesus overthrow the tables in the temple? Once or twice?

Now there are no definative answers to these questions, just a position you will be
happy with.

Now to a closed mind, asking these questions is shocking, but to an open mind, they
are pointing out the fragility of the gospel testimony, and where exact retelling of
incidents is important over the message that needs to be conveyed.

I have noticed that those who profess an open mind usually are not and especially not open to the truth. An open mind is like an open window. An open window functions best when there is a screen in place. For those who investigate religious ideas the screen can only be the word of God. A screen of religious dogma lets in only those things deemed harmful and excludes those things that promote health in the body.

Pr 26:7 The legs of the lame are not equal: so is a parable in the mouth of fools.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[willybob]

wsblind, and still blind, how about Instead you search the scriptures to seek what the Proverbs and Jeremiah say about a sinful rebellious heart..

 

[FranC]

paragraph 2. you yourself do this many times daily, just answering with random rhetoric , and not never discussing anything. just lecturing us on how pure and righteous you are.

some on here do not see us as brothers and sisters, on equal ground. they think we need to be talked down to, and instructed on how to be saved. I for 1 am getting sick and tired of this.

Who would those "someones" be?

The ones who get insulted.
The ones who get told that they are not saved.
The ones who get told that they should open their ears.
The ones who are spoken of as if they're not going to read the words said.
The ones who are told they don't love God properly.

etc etc etc

The ones who are called fools. (by notuptome)

Excuse me, but I don't see this happening by those who believe salvation can be lost.
This is most insteresting...

 

[willybob]

When they can't refute the clear word of God - they go to personally attacking the others. Just ignore this and leave it all in the hands of the Lord. All is well....

Jesus is faithful to all of us! We can trust the Holy Spirit to reveal Him to us and His great salvation.

Everyone have a wonderful weekend and the Lord has blessed you in Christ. Believe and receive all that Hew ahs done for us. He really is that magnificent!

You sir, with over 20,000 saved in sin posts, are a master at attacking and making false accusations...Get real..

 

[wsblind]

Now we need to hear about transference arrogance.

What next??

I thought the bible was enough to understand everything...

§Who is arrogant?

Those who say we must FOLLOW JESUS


or

Those who say it doesn't matter because one is ALWAYS SAVED no matter what?

What did Jesus say?


Matthew 19:2 8New American Standard Bible (NASB)

28 And Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on [a]His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

It's in the bible.

 

[FranC]

It's in the bible.

What's in the bible?
WHO is arrogant??

Those who folllow Jesus
or those who THINK they do?

 

[FranC]

Speak for yourself.

If I do not KNOW I am saved, I have no hope.. If I have no HOPE I am not saved.

I was a prodigal son once for 5 years. I never doubted my salvation, I doubted my life..

Your the one who may one day doubt she was saved, Because you reject security IN CHRIST.

I really am convinced you don't understand what is posted.
Your reply makes no sense.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG: Your true rebellion shows in a collection of over 35,000 posts..Most of which are rebellious to the truth in scripture. This is why you remain in a haze lashing out when others try to warn and teach you.....You sir, are a blind man, in a dark alley, looking for a black cat, at midnight....And even worse than that, you seek to show others the darkness, Woe unto the blind leading the blind..

The light that you perceive you see is darkness, and Jesus asked of such, just how great is that darkness.

This is your first warning.. This type of nonsense is uncalled for.. All your doing is arrogantly attacking now.. Keep it up..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Paul is not the one who was confused.

Hebrews 6:4-6
It is impossible for those who have once BEEN ENLIGHTENED, who have TASTED THE HEAVENLY GIFT, who have SHARED IN THE HOLY SPIRIT...

IF THEY FALL AWAY, to be brought back to repentence...

Now go ahead and show us all how ENLIGHTENED doesn't mean ENLIGHTENED, TASTED doesn't mean TASTED, SHARED doesn't mean SHARED.

What BETTER explanation of a "true" Christian.

Philippians 3:13-14
"...STRAINING toward what is ahead,
verse 14: "I PRESS ON toward the goal..."

Why would Paul have to show any EFFORT if he is saved forever??


Romans 11:22
"...To those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness IF YOU CONTINUE in His kindness, otherwise YOU TOO will be CUT OFF."

Please explain how IF doesn't mean IF, CONTINUE doesn't mean CONTINUE, OTHERWISE doesn't mean OTHERWISE, CUT OFF doesn't mean CUT OFF.


1 Corinthians 10:12
"So if you think you are standing firm, be careful that YOU DON'T FALL".

What does "FALL" mean??


There are more pasages.

It's CLEAR that one could FALL AWAY
He must STRAIN to HOLD ON to the faith
He must PRESS ON toward the goal
He can be CUT OFF
He can FALL


Yes. Ears should be opened so that the truth can be heard.

Been there done that, Why do you keep posting the same passages over and over we have already been over?

Your interpretatin of those passages I can not agree with, If you want to believe that way, Feel free.. But stop attacking people who want to base their FAITH in the hope that is found ONLY in CHrist.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

37But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

If only Peter and others understood how truly great a passage that was..

 

[FranC]

These strawman are getting old.

We can say the same to you. Try coming up with actual proof. and not just make these arguments which are meaningless. and go both ways.. They do not add to the conversation. and make you look proud.

PROOF!!!

YOU DON'T WANT PROOF!!!

How much proof would you like posted?
TRY THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG-Your so afraid of works that it frightens you to death..
You need to get over that fear because everyone is doing works everyday, its unavoidable. The question is; are you doing the works of God or the works of Satan. You not going to escape doing works....So please dispense with the childless works arguments, it only makes you look feeble in spirit..Man is a worker together with God saith Paul...His grace (spiritual empowerment) and our faith (steadfast obedience and fidelity from a heart that is pure and free from guile) to achieve a union of love that in no wise by any other means able to be attained.. So simple a child could understand, no?

Me afraid of works?? lol.. You just PROVED beyond any shadow of a doubt you do not know me at all.

Do us all a favor why doing you. Before you continue tp attack. Try to get to KNOW the person you are discussing with.

Until then, If you want to continue to SLANDER me like your buddy peter has been doing for months. It will get you now where..

 

[FranC]

Is that why you are receiving nothing from God Willy? Is that why your trying to work for it. instread of just getting on your knees so God can give it to you?

Another insult.

Talk of strawmen.

How can you say someone has not received anything from God?

WHAT MAKES YOU BE ALL KNOWLEDGEABEL?
And then claim that Others want to be God.

YOU are making yourself to be God.
By making statements such as this one.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Now we need to hear about transference arrogance.

What next??

I thought the bible was enough to understand everything...

§Who is arrogant?

Those who say we must FOLLOW JESUS


or

Those who say it doesn't matter because one is ALWAYS SAVED no matter what?

WHat is arrogant is making the same argument over and over which is not true. and thinking it is true.

No one here is saying, or has ever said people should not follow Christ. (At least no one i have ever heard)

 

[willybob]

There is a dress code for the Lambs wedding supper, NOTICE; the adornment of White Robes is required of everyone, anyone seeking to climb back another way or sneaking in the back way wearing their filthy rags will be escorted off the property ...be blessed, come and enjoy at the table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Someone here is Always saying how he likes to believe Jesus because Jesus is not a liar.

Does Mathew 19:28 mean ANYTHING to that person?
Or does he like to concentrate only on scripture that suits him??

Jesus is NOT liar.
Some here make Him out to be one...
with their constant twisting of scripture.

Matt 19 would be said about ANYONE who is born again of the grace of God.


My sheep hear my voice and THEY FOLLOW ME.


There IS NO QUESTION..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What's in the bible?
WHO is arrogant??

Those who folllow Jesus
or those who THINK they do?

WHo are those who follow Jesus?

Those born again, or those who THINK THEY ARE?

 

[FranC]

Been there done that, Why do you keep posting the same passages over and over we have already been over?

Your interpretatin of those passages I can not agree with, If you want to believe that way, Feel free.. But stop attacking people who want to base their FAITH in the hope that is found ONLY in CHrist.

My post sounds like an attack to you?

You aren't going to try and explain it away?
BECAUSE IT CANNOT.

We CAN fall away.

 

[PeterJens]

paragraph 2. you yourself do this many times daily, just answering with random rhetoric , and not never discussing anything. just lecturing us on how pure and righteous you are.

some on here do not see us as brothers and sisters, on equal ground. they think we need to be talked down to, and instructed on how to be saved. I for 1 am getting sick and tired of this.

Sorry gb9 that feel sick.

Seek the Lord to find the place of rest and peace before the King of Kings
the glory of salvation through the cross.

We are a light on a hill, to bring the example of Christs victory of love over sin
and death.

 

[FranC]

If only Peter and others understood how truly great a passage that was..

No ET.

Only YOU understand how great a passage this is.
The Others are too dumb to understand it.

Another insult.