Eternal Security You CANNOT lose your salvation! by David J. Stewart | January 2004

[eternally-gratefull]

Hi 88

Your video is over an hour long and it's very late here, so I'll watch it with much interest Tomorrow morning.
I too know persons who were saved and have abandoned God. One girl that comes to mind, who was Christian for years, decided that God either doesn't exist or does not care for us because He did not save her marriage after a lot of prayer.

So, how this could be denied by many here at CC is not understood by me.

I've asked why they're so afraid of the possibility of losing salvation, but i've received no reply.
All I get is twisted reasonings to scripture. Exegesis is not an art form here!

I particularly like a statement you make above and would like to repeat it:

"we do not get "eternal life"----we get the Son----the Life is in the Son----when we receive Christ we receive Life-----if we turn from Christ and accept "ourselves" we do not have Life--"

I'm also very much in Agreement with your statement here...

"I am positive enough not to promote or teach Once Saved Always Saved----it is a dangerous teaching and the Scriptures give us abundant warning against falling away--"

So you are God and you cen tell if a person is saved or not? Must be nice that you have Gods essence and omniscience so you can see a persons heart.

Most likely you saw people who wer playing christian, but never came to tru saving faith. Or they are prodigal children now.. (I was one for 5 years) But what we know for a fact, is you are NOT GOD and you have no proof if their true saved state.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

****there are enough warnings in the Bible about losing our way------better to not have been born than to have known the way of righteousness and to depart from it (2 Peter 2:21)-----I understand you viewpoint but count it dangerous since if you are wrong many that have taken refuge in this teaching are lost-----either because they did depart from Christ----or because they never were saved and assumed they were---think about it----they don't find out until when---the day they die----oh, I wasn't really saved---then the Lord says---you only thought you were saved---but I heard Once Saved Always Saved and had faith in this teaching---the Lord says you should have had faith that produced works---this is the proof---but I was told works was wrong---they are the Lord will say if you try to earn your salvation, but true faith produces works...

I know the way to florida, It does not mean I ever took it and actually traveled to florida

It is better to not have been born, than to know the way of salvation but depart from it before you actually partake of it.

It is better that some one knows they have to have true saving faith, and relieve christ knowing he will save them forever. than to have someone think they are saved because they do all these religious works, only to get to judgment day and have Jesus tell you to depart because he never knew you.

Grace is not the bad word you all want to make it be..

 

[gb9]

I know the way to florida, It does not mean I ever took it and actually traveled to florida

It is better to not have been born, than to know the way of salvation but depart from it before you actually partake of it.

It is better that some one knows they have to have true saving faith, and relieve christ knowing he will save them forever. than to have someone think they are saved because they do all these religious works, only to get to judgment day and have Jesus tell you to depart because he never knew you.

Grace is not the bad word you all want to make it be..

that is what this is all about everyday. arguing against grace. they can talk around it, use a lot of religious rhetoric, but at the end it is arguing against the Grace of God, the only thing that saves us.

 

[PeterJens]

So, how this could be denied by many here at CC is not understood by me.

I've asked why they're so afraid of the possibility of losing salvation, but i've received no reply.
All I get is twisted reasonings to scripture. Exegesis is not an art form here!

As far as I understand the testimony of these people, they found in the total acceptance
by Christ of who they were a release from their legalistic burden of performance acceptance
they spent their lives following.

Their interpretation is that the gospel is only about acceptance and any response in unbelief,
or taking away from Christ his worthiness.

I shared that my experience is in seeing my total humanity being accepted through the cross,
and the promise because of love released in my heart, the power to walk righteously, not
as to the letter of the law, but because love reigns in my heart.

It is this second part they reject and do not know.
They have religion without the legalistic struggle, but without the transforming love changing
who they are. This only makes sense to me, if they have closed their hearts off to God,
and shut down their true emotions.

This thread is testimony to their dedication as enemies of the fulfillment of the cross through
love working to bring us to perfection in Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

(Ezekiel 18:26) [SUP]26[/SUP] “‘When someone righteous abandons his righteousness and does what is wrong and dies because of it, he will die for his own wrongdoing.
God has not changed.

mind if I ask. What does physical death have to do with spiritual death?

If I drink to much, get drunk, get in my car, and die in an accident, I died because of my wrongdoing. That is what that passage says.

 

[PeterJens]

So you are God and you cen tell if a person is saved or not? Must be nice that you have Gods essence and omniscience so you can see a persons heart.

This is a strange argument from EG. He used to claim to be able to test people and their
true standing before the Lord. So I congratulate you EG on abandoning your ability to
decide peoples true foundation.

It suggests to me a desire to just oppose someone without having a defined position
oneself. Not an example I suggest anyone follows.

 

[PeterJens]

that is what this is all about everyday. arguing against grace. they can talk around it, use a lot of religious rhetoric, but at the end it is arguing against the Grace of God, the only thing that saves us.

What saves us is believing in Jesus, demonstrated by our following in His ways.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No.
What you state as fact must be based on a biblical principle.

Show support for your belief that Christ " comes to get us ".

John 3:16 tells me that it is ME who must respond to God's love and Jesus' gift.

If you're wrong about this, you are probably wrong about osas too, as I know you are.

Just a little nudge of brotherly love

that is twice you have been hypocritical today.

1st. You judged someone for knowing someones salvation, When you said distinctly you knew people were saved.

2nd, You judged someone of having a close mind, When you prove right here your mind is close..

maybe you would like to rethink some responses?

 

[notuptome]

Anyone reading the bible FOR THE FIRST TIME
would know how incorrect you are.

If we do not need our faith to be saved then
EVERYONE IS SAVED because God loves everyone.

Then He is not a just God.


Can you also explain THIS verse in your own twisted way?

Galatians 2:16 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

The faith by which we receive the grace of God is created by God through His word. Gods word can never change so that faith cannot waiver. Jesus never changes and the word of God never changes so our faith created by God through His Holy Spirit cannot change because it is not subject to human will but the will of God.

The choice that man must make is well described in John 3:19-21

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

One may read the word of God but without the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth contained therein there is no understanding. Knowledge needs understanding to produce wisdom. We must become wise unto salvation.

2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[eternally-gratefull]

When I post my thoughts - it's a copy and paste?...lol Too funny.

oops i missed one, that is three times in one day..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1 Corinthians 9:27





But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: (obedience to the truth) lest that by
any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. Paul did not promise them liberty if he himself was a servant of sin. If he did such he would be castaway like chaff in the wind.....Peter said the many fasle prophets would come speaking with "great swelling words of emptiness" promising others freedom in Christ while they themselves were servants of sin and corruption....

Paul must have been one confused man.

He taught how to be absent from the body was to be present with God. He taught how he recieved all the blessings and inheritance from God.. And even given the seal of the spirit as a pledge to his eternal life.. Then had to worry he may lose all those things, and non of them would happen.

Thanks, but no thanks, I can not have faith in something that must be dependent on me.. or that is not set in stone..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What I find quite remarkable is the OSAS crowd by their OWN ADMISSION number themselves among the wicked, in that their statement of faith proclaims that they sin every day in thought, word, and deed (this out of their own mouths). The devil can’t do worse than that. Since they never speak of what sins they are referencing, one would have to logically assume they mean the vile sins of the flesh that Paul said would disqualify one from inheriting the kingdom. If not, then please make it clear that you mean otherwise.

These say they sin every day, but will never lose their salivation, and promise the same for others. Except to those who have put to death the vile sins of the flesh, they seem to think that if you stop sinning that’s the worst sin of all, and out of the other side of their dialectic mouth they say no one can lose their salvation…..........................I have to ask: if you could stop sinning would you even want to?

Their doctrines make no logical sense to someone with a sound and prudent mind. So, somehow they are going to promise others salvation eternal that can’t be lost while they themselves are still servants of sin….Reminds me of what Peter said “ they come speaking GREAT SWELLING WORDS OF EMPTYNESS promising others liberty while they themselves are servants of corruption………………..

Anyone else hear this when they read this?

"thank God I am not like the sinner?

When will these people fall on their knees like the tax collector? Who jesus assured would go home saved..

 

[PeterJens]

If people can change their belief from their heart ( not their un-renewed messed up minds ) that made them a new creation in Christ - then Paul and James and John and all saints that are in heaven now - they can "change their belief" and choose to not believe in Christ anymore. The whole idea is a man-made demonically inspired doctrine.

"demonically inspired doctrine"

The logic appears to be if someone can choose to walk away from Christ, just the idea
they can is demonically inspired.

But hold the horses, stop the clock, let the universe pause!!!!!!!!

If we cannot choose to follow Christ or not choose to walk away, then there is no point
arguing it, because the argument is pointless because if you are in Christ, that is it, and
if not, that is it.

Argument or debate only has value if we can choose and what is up for discussion is
where you put your heart.

So by just being part of this thread, and putting forward such a strong, condemning
position, is destroying the very point they are trying to make.

We do choose, every day.

But if the real objective is to slander, destroy, discourage and take ground against
Gods people and the Lords truth, because peoples hearts to matter, and our choices
have eternal consequences, then any and every tactic is going to be used.

 

[FranC]

As far as I understand the testimony of these people, they found in the total acceptance
by Christ of who they were a release from their legalistic burden of performance acceptance
they spent their lives following.

Their interpretation is that the gospel is only about acceptance and any response in unbelief,
or taking away from Christ his worthiness.

I shared that my experience is in seeing my total humanity being accepted through the cross,
and the promise because of love released in my heart, the power to walk righteously, not
as to the letter of the law, but because love reigns in my heart.

It is this second part they reject and do not know.
They have religion without the legalistic struggle, but without the transforming love changing
who they are. This only makes sense to me, if they have closed their hearts off to God,
and shut down their true emotions.

This thread is testimony to their dedication as enemies of the fulfillment of the cross through
love working to bring us to perfection in Christ.

How true.
Just look at the difference between YOUR attitude of love
and theirs...

What more needs be said???

 

[willybob]

Jesus said there ears were dull of hearing, but if they should repent He would heal them...Open you ears

 

[willybob]

Until the guile and bitterness is purged out of your heart your not going to understand any of this EG. I pray you can come clean with God and see the light, not keep moving away from the light...You are full of rebellion....

 

[PeterJens]

A closed mind

An open mind is searching out other points of view and understanding how the logic
of a position is created. Once that position is defined and an answer constructed,
it may well disagree with the position, but it has been considered.

A closed mind is just dismissing another position without addressing its points.

I have seen this done because the person is literally scared of the consequences
emotionally and how they approach life, will be affected by working through the
ideas. And this is a fear for some, because their foundation is not strong.

But if you are committed to finding the truth, and have real trust in Christ, we are
called to face the truth.

A simple test of this is, how many times did Jesus curse the fig tree? Once or twice?
How many times did Jesus overthrow the tables in the temple? Once or twice?

Now there are no definative answers to these questions, just a position you will be
happy with.

Now to a closed mind, asking these questions is shocking, but to an open mind, they
are pointing out the fragility of the gospel testimony, and where exact retelling of
incidents is important over the message that needs to be conveyed.

 

[willybob]

A proud and rebellious man receives NOTHING from the Lord...

 

[willybob]

The tax collector removed all the rebellion and guile from His heart in repentance. you haven't EG. The prodigal son did the same "he arose out of the pig-pen of sin" of his own volition and never again to returned.....

 

[Grace777x70]

When they can't refute the clear word of God - they go to personally attacking the others. Just ignore this and leave it all in the hands of the Lord. All is well....

Jesus is faithful to all of us! We can trust the Holy Spirit to reveal Him to us and His great salvation.

Everyone have a wonderful weekend and the Lord has blessed you in Christ. Believe and receive all that Hew ahs done for us. He really is that magnificent!