Eternal Security You CANNOT lose your salvation! by David J. Stewart | January 2004
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Sadly I fear to many people think of sin as in individual deeds a person does which is against the law, and not what Paul calls it in romans 3. That is to "miss the mark" which was set by God, and his glory.
Yes, Murder is a sin, why? it causes us to "miss the mark"
Yes Lying is a sin (even a little white lie), why? It causes us to "miss the mark"
James said if we break even the least of all sin, we are found guilty of the whole law. Why? We miss the mark.
I have found that is what ultimately separates many people.
Some look at God. and realize how much the miss the mark and learn more and more every day, and realise, there are some sins I am doing I probably do not even know of yet. So they humble themselves. Get away from the law. and turn to serving others.. knowing that is the only way they will overcome sin, and mature in christ.
Others are focused on personal sins. The "I do not cuss, I do not drink or smoke. I do not murder cheat or steal" so I am ok with God. I am righteous, and these people are usually the ones who attack people who humble themselves realizing they do not "meet the mark" set by God himself. and love their sin. Which in reality is the furthest thing from the truth.
Yes, Murder is a sin, why? it causes us to "miss the mark"
Yes Lying is a sin (even a little white lie), why? It causes us to "miss the mark"
James said if we break even the least of all sin, we are found guilty of the whole law. Why? We miss the mark.
I have found that is what ultimately separates many people.
Some look at God. and realize how much the miss the mark and learn more and more every day, and realise, there are some sins I am doing I probably do not even know of yet. So they humble themselves. Get away from the law. and turn to serving others.. knowing that is the only way they will overcome sin, and mature in christ.
Others are focused on personal sins. The "I do not cuss, I do not drink or smoke. I do not murder cheat or steal" so I am ok with God. I am righteous, and these people are usually the ones who attack people who humble themselves realizing they do not "meet the mark" set by God himself. and love their sin. Which in reality is the furthest thing from the truth.
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
Rom 8:1-4
No condemnation for those who live according to the Spirit
Live according to the Spirit.
Rom 8:1-4
No condemnation for those who live according to the Spirit
Live according to the Spirit.
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"If" these are true allegations, then again we have yet another promising others liberty and eternal salvation with great swelling words while they themselves are servants of corruption...
1/28/09 - Pacific Daily News
http://www.guampdn.com/article/20090128/NEWS01/90128011/1001/NEWS
"2:15 p.m. Stewart indicted on criminal
sexual conduct charge - David
John Stewart, 41, was indicted by a Superior Court of Guam grand
jury yesterday on the charges of second-degree criminal sexual conduct
as a first-degree felony and child abuse as a misdemeanor, said Eric
Palacios, spokesman for the Office of the Attorney General. According to
the magistrate's complaint, on or about the period of Jan. 1, 2006,
through Dec. 31, 2006, Stewart allegedly engaged in sexual contact with a
teenage girl that was known to him."
1/28/09 - Pacific Daily News
http://www.guampdn.com/article/20090128/NEWS01/901280331/1002
"Criminal sexual conduct charge -
David John Stewart, 41, has
been charged in the Superior Court of Guam with second-degree criminal
sexual conduct as a first-degree felony. According to the magistrate's
complaint, on or about the period of Jan. 1, 2006, through Dec. 31,
2006, Stewart allegedly engaged in sexual contact with a teenage girl
known to him.
1/28/09 - Pacific Daily News
http://www.guampdn.com/article/20090128/NEWS01/90128011/1001/NEWS
"2:15 p.m. Stewart indicted on criminal
sexual conduct charge - David
John Stewart, 41, was indicted by a Superior Court of Guam grand
jury yesterday on the charges of second-degree criminal sexual conduct
as a first-degree felony and child abuse as a misdemeanor, said Eric
Palacios, spokesman for the Office of the Attorney General. According to
the magistrate's complaint, on or about the period of Jan. 1, 2006,
through Dec. 31, 2006, Stewart allegedly engaged in sexual contact with a
teenage girl that was known to him."
1/28/09 - Pacific Daily News
http://www.guampdn.com/article/20090128/NEWS01/901280331/1002
"Criminal sexual conduct charge -
David John Stewart, 41, has
been charged in the Superior Court of Guam with second-degree criminal
sexual conduct as a first-degree felony. According to the magistrate's
complaint, on or about the period of Jan. 1, 2006, through Dec. 31,
2006, Stewart allegedly engaged in sexual contact with a teenage girl
known to him.
People CAN fall away from God, be it for a few weeks, months or even years. They can fall away AND STILL be saved. Now, before you attack me, I mean "fall away" in the sense that we may go entirely off our path with God. Been there, done that. I was, and AM, still saved. 
Just because someone falls off their path doesn't necessarily mean that they have stopped believing in God. I never stopped believing in Him, but was doing my own thing, instead of what GOD wanted me to do. It's a good thing that God is patient, and always waits for us on the path, to return to Him.
Now if someone doesn't believe in God, then obviously they won't be saved. They can't lose salvation because they never had it in the first place.
To those of you who believe that born-again, believing Christians don't or can't sin, that just is not true. One trip to the Family forum to read the adultery, divorce, porn or masturbation threads will prove it.
Just because someone falls off their path doesn't necessarily mean that they have stopped believing in God. I never stopped believing in Him, but was doing my own thing, instead of what GOD wanted me to do. It's a good thing that God is patient, and always waits for us on the path, to return to Him. Now if someone doesn't believe in God, then obviously they won't be saved. They can't lose salvation because they never had it in the first place.
To those of you who believe that born-again, believing Christians don't or can't sin, that just is not true. One trip to the Family forum to read the adultery, divorce, porn or masturbation threads will prove it.
I don't know if you've been following along. I don't attack anybody. I just got tired of being attacked myself, that's all.
I read what you wrote twice.
By fall away, it seems like you're talking about sinning.
When Paul was speaking about falling away, he was NOT speaking about sinning.
We all sin and if we say we don't, we're lying. 1 John 1:10
When Paul was talking about falling away, he was talking about falling away from FAITH.
So, no matter how improbable it is, we CANNOT say that it's IMPOSSIBLE.
That's what I'm saying. It's not right to say that one cannot fall away if Paul says he can!!
I've listed many verses. They aren't accepted because we each like to believe what we believe.
The problem is that we can't each be right. One of us has to be wrong. So how to decide that?
First of al, every verse has to be exegeted correctly. This is not done here. I hear different persons explaining words away and biblical concepts away as if there is some mysterios aspect to it all.
The bible is simple and is meant for all to undersand. Not just those who know Greek, as I often hear that I don't understand because it means something diffefferent in the Greek. This is nonsense. This means that those of us who do not know it, can never undersand the bible!
Just look at this one verse...
Hebrews 3:12
See to it brothers, that none of you has a sinful UNBELIEVING heart that TURN AWAY from the living God....
versse 14: We have come to sahre in Christ IF WE HLD FIRMY TILL THE END, the confidence we had at first.
Paul is speaking to BROTHERS, not to unbelievers. Yet, I'll hear that they were not really saved. Thus also, setting themselves up as God, to know who is "really" saved an who isn't.
If PAUL says they are brothers, I MUST believe they are brothers. And Paul is telling them not to turn away from the living God.
So, like what happened to you. OK. But you said you NEVER STOPPED BELIEVING IN GOD.
And therein lies the catch.
We could sin, we could "go off the path", in your words, but we are to continue in our faith, we are to continue believing in God.
Belief and faith....................we are saved.
No belief, No faith............... we are not saved.
Blessings
Fran
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no faith, Lack of faith, Minus faith, as it concerns the children of God.
2 Timothy 2:13
If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.
Salvation is not of man, it is of God, it is his promise, his guarantee, his death, his gift.
if God takes that gift back, he denys himself.
2 Timothy 2:13
If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.
Salvation is not of man, it is of God, it is his promise, his guarantee, his death, his gift.
if God takes that gift back, he denys himself.
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1. He said go and continue in sin no more. He did not tell her if she fell back and commited certain sins again he she would fail to be forgiven.
2. I am not arguing in favor of sin my friend YOU ARE.. You water down the law. You preach against certain sins, Yet refuse to acknowledge that your sin is just as deplorable, and dark as everyone elses. When will you ever admit this.
If you knew the law. if you knew the "mark" of God (romans 3) you would stop judging people for their sin, and start trying to give them the good news of Jesus who can save them.
finally, Stop your slander,, Keep attacking me, and I will take action.. These senselss attacks in CC are getting out of hand, it is time for us all to put a stop to it.
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it does not contradict itself. if we make it agree with all scripture
If we deny him, he will deny us.. This has nothing to do with faith, it has to do with people who have never believeed in christ becoming antichrists.
2 tim 2: 12, If we deny him, he will deny us
1 John 2:[SUP]22 [/SUP]Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
1 John 2:[SUP]18 [/SUP]Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the[SUP][c][/SUP] Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. [SUP]19 [/SUP]They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
And your right, we did go over this yesterday.. But just in case you or anyone else missed it, I wanted to make sure we all saw the truth.
People who deny Christ, are antichrist (against christ) and john makes it clear. anyone who at one time was in the church, and partaking of the reading of the word, including pauls letter to 2 tim (whcih would include them in the term "WE" as "IF WE DENY HIM") that they have never been saved.
You can not lose something you never had.
On the above proposition
But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
Matt 10:33
Now Jesus is being very blunt. Disown Him, He will disown you.
Now to be owned or taken as one with someone, Jesus says this
Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven.
Matt 10:32
So testify to Christ and He will testify about you before the King.
This is all 100% about faith.
If Jesus disowns you, you have no forgiveness or righteousness only judgement
to come.
But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
Matt 10:33
Now Jesus is being very blunt. Disown Him, He will disown you.
Now to be owned or taken as one with someone, Jesus says this
Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven.
Matt 10:32
So testify to Christ and He will testify about you before the King.
This is all 100% about faith.
If Jesus disowns you, you have no forgiveness or righteousness only judgement
to come.
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God's love does not save us. God's justice does not save us. His GRACE, through OUR FAITH, saves us.
Romans 5:10 - "For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life!"
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