Eternal Security You CANNOT lose your salvation! by David J. Stewart | January 2004
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It is hard Jim among this kind of mind somersaulting ideas.
I am the one being told what I believe and how I believe something different than I do.
This is the basis of what you could say is truth and lying.
I am not saying who is saved and who it not. So I find it hard you saying I am saying
this. It is like lying to someones face about the very words they have just spoken,
pretty stupid.
And you call me "a leech sucking our blood dry".
Is this your idea of encouragement?
All I can say in this insane circus you call sensible loving and following Christ,
I hope you approve of what Christ will say of you on judgement day.
God bless, Peter
I am the one being told what I believe and how I believe something different than I do.
This is the basis of what you could say is truth and lying.
I am not saying who is saved and who it not. So I find it hard you saying I am saying
this. It is like lying to someones face about the very words they have just spoken,
pretty stupid.
And you call me "a leech sucking our blood dry".
Is this your idea of encouragement?
All I can say in this insane circus you call sensible loving and following Christ,
I hope you approve of what Christ will say of you on judgement day.
God bless, Peter
Thank you for your well wishes on my birthday 
When I say someone was never truly saved, it is not that I am judging them, or their heart, so much as I am agreeing with Scripture, which states, those who leave, were never truly one of us, and also, Jesus says any whom God has given Him, He will not allow to be snatched away from Him, nothing can separate us from the love of God, etc, ... all these other "arguments" about keeping the commandments, are not anything I was responding to, but for the record, I see the commandments as guidelines on how to love others as ourselves; that is the simplified version, and I do like to keep things as simple as possible which is not always possible...
Also, I have spoken to people who now identify as being atheists, or Deists, or some other thing, perhaps a Sumerian polytheist, I have spoken with such people, people who are no longer Christian when they once identified as such; they will tell you that they were very religious, and thought they were born again, perhaps even laboring in ministry for years into decades, before rejecting it all, and walking away, and becoming quite hostile toward not just the idea of God, but toward all believers with whom they may come in contact. I cannot say what they went through before I knew them. I can only take their word, that they believed themselves to be believers, they believed themselves to be born again, they served for years, and then they walked away from it all, they would say they never had experiences of God, so were they really born again? It is not hard to see that their heart is quite hardened toward God. They might even deny that. They will say they were deceived. They will say such things as it is not possible to have a hard heart toward something that does not exist. They are definitely anti Christs.
Some people might say it is impossible to be neutral on the issue of God. Clearly if one does not have a personal relationship with God, through Jesus Christ, Who is our mediator, they are, from a Christian perspective, lost.
As to being called a Calvinist, as someone else did after I gave my response of 1 John, that is funny, it is like you saying you do not know what it means to be called the names people do when/if they say you are a works salvationist. I know what a Calvinist is, though, for the most part. As with any doctrine of man, I can often agree with some of it if not all of it. That certainly does not make me a Calvinist. I would have to agree with all of what Calvin proposed with his TULIP to be one
I think some of us fall between the cracks so to speak, seeing both sides of an issue, with decided leanings to one side or another, but understanding both points of view, and seeing relevance to both at least to a point even if not fully to the point we lean away from.
For me, coming to believe was a long drawn out process that culminated in the surrendering of my self bent will to the will of God, in accepting the gift He so graciously offers all of us...
There rages this huge war between those who say you must do this and you must do that to be saved, against those who say we do this and we do that through the grace afforded us in Christ Jesus once we are saved. Neither side seems to penetrate into the inner defenses of the other. I have been witness to this war raging for well over a year now with little let up, one side accusing the other, falsely twisting and distorting what is said as if on purpose just to slander the other, often hypocritically. Both sides have had adherents that accused me of belonging to the other side.
My apologies if my response seems a bit disjointed. I am at work
When I say someone was never truly saved, it is not that I am judging them, or their heart, so much as I am agreeing with Scripture, which states, those who leave, were never truly one of us, and also, Jesus says any whom God has given Him, He will not allow to be snatched away from Him, nothing can separate us from the love of God, etc, ... all these other "arguments" about keeping the commandments, are not anything I was responding to, but for the record, I see the commandments as guidelines on how to love others as ourselves; that is the simplified version, and I do like to keep things as simple as possible which is not always possible...
Also, I have spoken to people who now identify as being atheists, or Deists, or some other thing, perhaps a Sumerian polytheist, I have spoken with such people, people who are no longer Christian when they once identified as such; they will tell you that they were very religious, and thought they were born again, perhaps even laboring in ministry for years into decades, before rejecting it all, and walking away, and becoming quite hostile toward not just the idea of God, but toward all believers with whom they may come in contact. I cannot say what they went through before I knew them. I can only take their word, that they believed themselves to be believers, they believed themselves to be born again, they served for years, and then they walked away from it all, they would say they never had experiences of God, so were they really born again? It is not hard to see that their heart is quite hardened toward God. They might even deny that. They will say they were deceived. They will say such things as it is not possible to have a hard heart toward something that does not exist. They are definitely anti Christs.
Some people might say it is impossible to be neutral on the issue of God. Clearly if one does not have a personal relationship with God, through Jesus Christ, Who is our mediator, they are, from a Christian perspective, lost.
As to being called a Calvinist, as someone else did after I gave my response of 1 John, that is funny, it is like you saying you do not know what it means to be called the names people do when/if they say you are a works salvationist. I know what a Calvinist is, though, for the most part. As with any doctrine of man, I can often agree with some of it if not all of it. That certainly does not make me a Calvinist. I would have to agree with all of what Calvin proposed with his TULIP to be one
I think some of us fall between the cracks so to speak, seeing both sides of an issue, with decided leanings to one side or another, but understanding both points of view, and seeing relevance to both at least to a point even if not fully to the point we lean away from.
For me, coming to believe was a long drawn out process that culminated in the surrendering of my self bent will to the will of God, in accepting the gift He so graciously offers all of us...
There rages this huge war between those who say you must do this and you must do that to be saved, against those who say we do this and we do that through the grace afforded us in Christ Jesus once we are saved. Neither side seems to penetrate into the inner defenses of the other. I have been witness to this war raging for well over a year now with little let up, one side accusing the other, falsely twisting and distorting what is said as if on purpose just to slander the other, often hypocritically. Both sides have had adherents that accused me of belonging to the other side.
My apologies if my response seems a bit disjointed. I am at work
Once again we have a thread that has degraded to persons making wild accusations, slanderous statements, and direct insults of other users rather than just discussing the original topic. If I actually had the time to dig through over 1300 posts I'm quite sure there would be multiple users getting removed.
Consider yourselves fortunate that I really don't want to torture myself for hours reading through this whole thread.
Consider yourselves fortunate that I really don't want to torture myself for hours reading through this whole thread.
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