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Why are chrisitans so afraid of the devil and evil? If Satan is defeated like you say, why do most Chrisitans I know carry on afraid of him and demons etc etc.? Seems to me you live in a contradiction.
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So if Satan is defeated, why do you say he still operates? I know Christians that seem to be pre-occupied with demons, and 'deliverance ministry' and jumping through all these religious hoops and rituals and all that crap. Seems to me that Christians are moree afraid and bound up with problems than those who are not. They always seem to need to be 'rescued or freed' from stuff and crap on with jibberish nonsense to get God's approval or attention. It's like they don't really believe that their Jesus has 'set them free' in the first place. I just cant get my head around it.
Yeah, I believe it. With the grace of God a Christian can have a part in alleviating pain and suffering and mitigate some of the damage.
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Quote from the guy above....
"Satan is defeated and idk what kind of christians you know who is so fearful but some people just aren't used to encountering demons."
...So is Satan defeated or not? You say he is, guy above says He's not.
"Satan is defeated and idk what kind of christians you know who is so fearful but some people just aren't used to encountering demons."
...So is Satan defeated or not? You say he is, guy above says He's not.
Satan is aware he is defeated & he will be thrown into the lake of fire. He is currently trying to take as many people to hell with him until that time.
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All kinds of people and personalities in this world. Being a Christian doesn't negate that. Some people get distracted easily or put emphasis on the wrong places. We're still human and imperfect. We still deal with our issues, some with mental illness. But such things were happening when the bible was written as well. Just part of being human and trying to live a Christian life. Some will come out of such things, others may not. But the most important thing is where their heart is in relation to God.
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So in a fight, the fighter that goes down defeated, really is not defeated according to you, but still keeps throwing punches??
This lake of fire, who is going there?? I presume it is all those people who have not worked out the "truth or right answer or right religion" (out of at least 30 000 or so with Christianity alone) that God apparantly requires. Is it the people who were not born in the 'right' country where the 'right religion' is the acceptable one? Is it those people who live 'with the heart of God, -generous, loving, kind and compassionate...but don't say the right things, or go to the right church - or "know Jesus" ....are they the ones going to the bbq pit?? Seems to me that according to most Christians, their God is actually a tyranical dictator who tortures anyone that doesnt agree with him or them. Is Jesus the 'saviour of the world' or just a colossal failure and only the 'saviour of a few' that say the right things. Did He defeat Satan at the cross or not?
This lake of fire, who is going there?? I presume it is all those people who have not worked out the "truth or right answer or right religion" (out of at least 30 000 or so with Christianity alone) that God apparantly requires. Is it the people who were not born in the 'right' country where the 'right religion' is the acceptable one? Is it those people who live 'with the heart of God, -generous, loving, kind and compassionate...but don't say the right things, or go to the right church - or "know Jesus" ....are they the ones going to the bbq pit?? Seems to me that according to most Christians, their God is actually a tyranical dictator who tortures anyone that doesnt agree with him or them. Is Jesus the 'saviour of the world' or just a colossal failure and only the 'saviour of a few' that say the right things. Did He defeat Satan at the cross or not?
This is true that Satan knows he is a defeated foe,for when he is cast to earth along with the devils,he is mad for he knows his time is short,so he goes forth with wrath to go against all people,which God is allowing him to deceive all who do not love God,and to make war physically with the saints.
The Bible says do you believe there is one God,you do well,the devils also believe,and tremble.
It would seem that with all the arrogance that Satan has that he would be blinded to believe that he cannot be defeated,but the truth is people can be even more blinded to believe no harm will come for their wickedness.
Why,because the fallen angels have seen God,and been with God,and know for sure He exists,and it is not faith with them,and since Satan could not accomplish to set his throne above the stars of God,and be like the most High,where people have not had that experience of knowing God that way,which is why it is faith,for we do not get to see,which trips a lot of people up on earth to where they do not believe,for they do not see,and be arrogant with no fear to say,I will be punished.
Satan knows he is going to be punished,and he is mad at God and everything He created,for it belongs to God.
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I think Satan has been defeated. I think we do not believe he has. Yes he still has a presence in this world but truth is he has no authority over us as believers. He is a prowling lion but one with no teeth. His growl is bigger than his bite.
We have authority over him.
Spiritual warfare is a reality yet I do not really see it taught in church.
Maybe that's why fear satan. Jesus didn't fear satan. He put him in his place.
Given that we have the Holy Spirit in us, we can do the same.
Ephesians 6:10-20 calls us to withstand satan by putting on the full armour of God. Being fully armed we have nothing to be afraid off.
Jesus is the general of the army we are in.
Satan is defeated to the person that is right with God,for spiritually they are conquerors,for greater is He that is in you,than he that is in the world,and resist the devil,and he will flee from you,but not defeated as far as causing problems in the natural realm for Christians,but still on a leash and can only go so far,but he is not defeated in punishment where he has no more influence in the world,and eternally damned.
Satan can still stir up trouble for Christians,as the Bible says all that will live godly will suffer persecution,and a messenger of Satan came to buffet Paul,and give him a thorn in the flesh,which God allowed to keep Paul humble.
1Co 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
1Co 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
1Co 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
We may have trouble in the flesh,but spiritually we will not have trouble.Maybe some people are afraid of the physical trouble,and not afraid of any spiritual trouble.
Satan can still stir up trouble for Christians,as the Bible says all that will live godly will suffer persecution,and a messenger of Satan came to buffet Paul,and give him a thorn in the flesh,which God allowed to keep Paul humble.
1Co 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
1Co 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
1Co 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
We may have trouble in the flesh,but spiritually we will not have trouble.Maybe some people are afraid of the physical trouble,and not afraid of any spiritual trouble.
Silly and Childish attempt at atheist apologetics:
Did you just read the first chapter in a new Dawkins book?
Any verb, like "defeat", can refer to many different things, simultaneously, and it's a snarky rhetorical trick, by you, to pretend this isn't the case.
1. A fighter could be defeated in the ring, while SIMULTAENEOUSLY being NOT defeated in some other way, like online debate, or an ongoing game of chess.
- Whether or not he is actually DEFEATED depends on which particular thing, precisely, you are referring to.
- Being defeated in ONE PARTICULAR SENSE does not mean a person is defeated in EVERY SENSE.
2. An army could be defeated at a PARTICULAR TIME, while not FULLY RECOGNIZING THAT DEFEAT until a LATER TIME.
- This often happens in war: an army is defeated in battle, but the defeat isn't officially recognized until much later, when they sign an official surrender.
- So being defeated at a PARTICULAR TIME may or may not be referred to as ACTUALLY OCCURRING AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME... depending on the context.
- The issue of TIME can vary greatly by context, and alter how defeat is spoken of.
3. There are MANY WAYS a verb can be used, in many different applications, and in many different contexts, WITHOUT NECESSITATING ANY CONTRADICTION.
- Anyone who's studied English for more than 5 seconds knows this.
-So this entire word-witch-hunt is entirely dishonest, and just plain silly.
Seriously... this is a very rudimentary, and childish attempt at poorly constructed atheist apologetics.
You should really come back and try again with some logic.
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Thank you for your condescending, patronising answers to genuine questions. Very nice!! Im not into playing word games or "athiest apologetics" as you call it?? Is this how you answer all people who want to know more? Not very welcoming or acccomodating are you?
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