Gay Invasion

[artistic_dreams]

This post was in response to Cookie 39's statements of judgement towards homosexuals, and I do not take any of the verses including Leviticus 18:19 literally. I believe that more focus should be placed on prayers for children in Sudan, women in Saudi Arabia, and to stop the domestic violence that occurs all around the globe. The huge christian anti-gay movement, could better assert their efforts in a direction of real change!!

I merely wanted to point out that if someone is saying that gays should be prayed for for their sins than so should you. If you decide to have tattoos, and eat rare meat, shellfish, or are not subservient to men; the passages are right next to each other, and god says follow all of my laws. He didn't say that the verse about not sleeping with another man is more important. I personally have no judgment or problem with people who chose parts of the bible to follow and others to not, I do that myself. I simply don't think that we even have a right to say what the path best chosen is, especially when something like a tattoo is nearly irreversible. I hope that no one is silly enough to pray for you to get laser surgery, or to look at your tattoo thinking that you should ask for forgiveness, and are living in sin. I'm also glad that you don't feel that you should place judgement, hopefully you will vote that way when the bill is on the ballot!!!!!!!!!!

ok well the reason i responded to you is if you will scroll up....you quoted those scriptures when you was using my words in a quote and not cookies......my tattoos were aquired during a dark period in my life....and no i dont pass judgement on anyone....we are all human and we are all going to sin every day of our lives....if someone wants to pray for me to get laser surgery i hope they pray that the lord will provide me the money for im now disabled.....i pray one day that i have the financial means to do so...who knows.......

but you are right we dont have a right to tell others not to follow a path.....what path they follow is between them and their lord....now if someone were to ask me my opinion on it im going to tell them and they may not like what i have to say......its not our place to judge....that is our lord jesus' place to judge......all i was telling the person was try not to be disgusted w/the people.....its their lives and they can live the way they want too.....but nothing wrong w/being disgusted w/the act.....but hey we all have things in this world we find disgusting....blessings to you

 

[ANT]

ok well the reason i responded to you is if you will scroll up....you quoted those scriptures when you was using my words in a quote and not cookies......my tattoos were aquired during a dark period in my life....and no i dont pass judgement on anyone....we are all human and we are all going to sin every day of our lives....if someone wants to pray for me to get laser surgery i hope they pray that the lord will provide me the money for im now disabled.....i pray one day that i have the financial means to do so...who knows.......

but you are right we dont have a right to tell others not to follow a path.....what path they follow is between them and their lord....now if someone were to ask me my opinion on it im going to tell them and they may not like what i have to say......its not our place to judge....that is our lord jesus' place to judge......all i was telling the person was try not to be disgusted w/the people.....its their lives and they can live the way they want too.....but nothing wrong w/being disgusted w/the act.....but hey we all have things in this world we find disgusting....blessings to you

I guess its just hard for me to understand the disgust. though I agree we are allowed to like and dislike what and whomever we choose. I just pray that personal disgust doesn't lead to continued political discrimination of gays. Voting to keep them from getting married, is placing a judgement on homosexuals. Saying that we as a christian majority in America determine (judge) that it is not ok for them to wed. is not God-like, Prayer is, denying equality is not. I also hope that your disability not your tattoos would be the first prayer agenda, why focus on unavoidable sin, when there is so much pain and suffering that needs the power of prayer.

 

[artistic_dreams]

i know what ur saying ant....i get discriminated due to the tattoos...where i live there are alot of extremely conservative christians that frown on them...so when i have to meet the parents of my daughters friends i wear long sleeves and such so they dont see them....because when they did see them...the children were not allowed to come over due to one reason or another , but later on i found out from my daughter through her friends that the parents didnt like em.....discriminaton happens....ppl get disgusted over everything and theres not much to be done.....i have friends that are gay or bisexual....i dont discriminate them or preach to them or anything....they have just as much right to live in this world as anyone else....i simply pray for them like everyone else......we can agree to disagree....and no im not condemning you in anyway.....but what they do is a sin just like i me having the tattoos on my body is a sin.....but its a part of my life just like its a part of their lives......and we just learn to live among each other the best we can peacefully....there should be no reason for hatred....and your right there is alot of pain and suffering in the world that surely needs alot of prayer and we really need to be concentrating on that...blessings to you hon

 

[panda_girl]

My people perish for a lack of knowledge, saith the Lord.
you see as I said before either you love God or the world, you cant do them both. I never said that i was without sin, but I am not a sinner, see in order for you answer what I said you need to FIRST, get to know GOD, and SECOND, get to know his WORD, not what you all here man say. if you are living a life with unrepentant sin and you die in it you are going to HELL!! there is noooo other way. and this I say I have no more LOgs or Planks in my eye, for God through Christ Jesus has washed it out. so as God said when you pull the plank out of your eye that you can see clearly, then you can pull the speck out of your brothern eyes. ok now that you know the whole verse. I can see the log or plank, or speck, what ever anyone want to name it, I can see for mine is gone..... it is not what you have done it is about what you are doing now. what are you doin???? maybe this is the reason people insist on living according to the worlds standards and not God's, hmm as I see because they think God don't have a WRAFT, that is why Jesus came to save you all from the Wraft of God, but seeing how some are think without knowledge, and speaking as if they are atheist, not believing the Word of God. Therefore they go about teaching false doctrine, OH it's ok to sin, God love you anyway, it's ok to serve the devil and call yourself a christian, it's ok to have friends that live contrary to why Christ died, but if I agree with the World I wont be cast out.. if every one else is saying it and doing then so can I, the devil is a lier, you agree with it then you too are going to Hell. for as God said if ANY MAN IS A FRIEND TO THE WORLD, HE IS NOT MINE. read the bible, sit at the feet of God to learn of him...... if you think this is judging then it is, and who am I? I am a child of the most HIGH and only true and living God, and as he said when we JUDGE, do it righteously,,,, if we forgive a man his sins; he will be forgiving, and if we don't then he is not forgiving,,, we are a Holy preisthood, a perciular people, a chosen generation, we as Christians, " true christians has been giving the rights through Christ Jesus to Judge" but to do it righteously" I am not condemning no one, they do that themselves. but to tell the truth, I see: it hurts those who are in sin. trust me when you start serving God for real you will change your heart about what you agree with and what you don't.

okay, but when it says, "a friend to the world," it means if you are okay with what is happening. And, the reason I befriend gays, and wickens is to show them that Chrisitans aren't crazy people.

if you haven't noticed, whenever a Christian is put on a reality show, they always pick the craziest people they can find, and when they're in a movie or something, Christians are portrayed as the over-preachy, overly condemning maniac. If every Christian were like the ones that are shown on television, everyone would want to stay away from us.

Everyone that I work with knows that I'm a Christian, everyone knows that I take Sundays off so I can go to church. They always ask me questions about the Bible, and about my church. They ask me if I'd beat their heads in if they did something really stupid, and I always respond, "I'll get mad at you about it, and if it's really stupid, I will lecture you about it. I probably won't approve of half the things you do, but it's your life, if God doesn't take away free will, then who am I to?"

And because I don't get in their face about their stupidity, I'm in the process of getting one of my co-workers to come to church with me in the near future, becuase he wants to know why I'm nothing like the "media Christians"

I'm not a friend of the world, I'm a shoulder for my friends of the world to cry on when they need it.

 

[panda_girl]

i know what ur saying ant....i get discriminated due to the tattoos...where i live there are alot of extremely conservative christians that frown on them...so when i have to meet the parents of my daughters friends i wear long sleeves and such so they dont see them....because when they did see them...the children were not allowed to come over due to one reason or another , but later on i found out from my daughter through her friends that the parents didnt like em.....discriminaton happens....ppl get disgusted over everything and theres not much to be done.....i have friends that are gay or bisexual....i dont discriminate them or preach to them or anything....they have just as much right to live in this world as anyone else....i simply pray for them like everyone else......we can agree to disagree....and no im not condemning you in anyway.....but what they do is a sin just like i me having the tattoos on my body is a sin.....but its a part of my life just like its a part of their lives......and we just learn to live among each other the best we can peacefully....there should be no reason for hatred....and your right there is alot of pain and suffering in the world that surely needs alot of prayer and we really need to be concentrating on that...blessings to you hon

I always have to laugh when people are disgusted by tattoos, because there's like... three pastors at my church that have tattoos, pretty sweet ones too...

 

[ANT]

I'm glad we are on the same page, I just get kind of touchy with extreme talk about homosexuals because currently it is illegal in most states for gays to marry, and I have friends who suffer because of these laws. Peace be with you all!!!

 

[QuestionTime]

American Idol is being invaded by Gays. First it was DeGeneres, then Adam Lambert and now Elton John. Disgusting.

It's also full of liars and covetous people. Disgusting!

Quest

 

[QuestionTime]

Hate the sin love the sinner, words to live by I've found out... especially when I found out the one of my new co-workers is a wicken. I was totally freaked out about it at first. But then I got to know her, she's a really cool gal, she keeps it on the D.L. Every once in a while she brings up her terra cards, and how they were upset with her 'caues she left 'em out in the rain... I actually found it quite amuzing.

In my honest opinion, I think the entire show is unecessary, do we really need more celebreties? And I think it's unfair to say it's being invaded by gays anyway, a couple a years ago... last year even, people could have said that it was being invaded by Christians. Last year's winner was a Christian, and the third place guy was a Christian, Chris Sligh from a few years back was Christian.

But as I always say, what do I know, I'm just a dumb 18 year old that has no life

Matt 7:
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name won first place on American Idol?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Quest

 

[JohnKnox]

I'm glad we are on the same page, I just get kind of touchy with extreme talk about homosexuals because currently it is illegal in most states for gays to marry, and I have friends who suffer because of these laws. Peace be with you all!!!

And I'm kind of touchy about the official desecration of one of humanity's oldest and most sacred institutions, and being characterized as a Nazi when I say half as much (and that last part is not hypothetical)

 

[miktre]

American Idol is being invaded by Gays. First it was DeGeneres, then Adam Lambert and now Elton John. Disgusting.

I find it disgusting also so because those people promote that lifestyle as a good thing to our youth.
They promote it and say its not a sin.
I wouldn't wish that lifestyle upon anyone.
Besides that American Idol is full of filth and I don't let my kids watch it anyways.

 

[artistic_dreams]

well i have to say in the beginning when american idol first started i watched it but over the years i got burned out on it.........there is alot of filthy and sin in alot of tv..........and the best thing to do is not watch what really bugs you....in the end they are going to play it on tv because it is so popular and if it offends then turn it off and watch something else......and ant its all cool i know what you mean......blessings

 

[biggentleben]

Idol is what's disgusting, not anything else that is part of the show...just the show itself...heck, the name should immediately raise a red flag to any Christian!

 

[Jordan9]

I find your attitude towards people who are also loved by our God quiet disgusting actually, we're not the ones who are meant to judge let alone make others feel like they're 'disgusting'.

/co-sign to this post

 

[blessed419]

Wow, I never thought there would be so many Christians in support of the Gay lifestyle. It's speaks volumes about the state of the Church today and ANT, it's a very dangerous thing to take on only the parts of the bible you like and leave others you agree with. The bible requires spiritual understanding that only comes from the Lord, and to limit parts is to miss the Lord's true message and keeps you in confusion and total darkness. I saw you mentioned sacrifices in the Old testament, well, with the wisdom that God gives through the spirit of truth you can see, the reason we're not slaughtering sheep is because of JESUS.
He died as our ultimate sacrifice. See, things are missed when there is a lack of Knowledge. We our only sinners SAVED by GRACE, God is eternal, all knowing, and we are to submit ourselves to him and his WORD. Who are we to say "No God, I know better than you, I don't think this law is right. I know you created everything, but I got this, I can lead my own life by what I think is best". That's a very bad place to be as you will soon find out that what we think is right and good and perfect for us is WRONG. So I agree, not just with American Idol, but many other shows and many other sins being portrayed as fine and ok and to think otherwise as being "Old Fashioned or Judging". The Church needs to stand up and preach with is true no matter if people think it's PC or not. Remember, the LOVE of GOD doesn't mean acceptance of SIN. People keep saying God as if it means that no matter what we do God loves us and it's ok we don't have to turn away from a lifestyle that displeases him. If the Latter was true, we wouldn't need a savior and we could all continue to do what we feel is right and life as we please and we're all going to heaven in the End. Sin is Sin and one is not greater than the other, we are to show love towards one another and lead to Christ without hatred but that does not mean ACCEPTANCE of sin.

 

[blessed419]

Amen John !

 

[blessed419]

So do you aprove of a child molester to raise children, or a 40 year old man to love and have sex with a 5 year old, hmm I wonder what does the body of Christ do, first of all God hate all sinners as well as they hate him, before Christ, we all was enemies to God. so to say God loves all sinners is a lie and the Bible does not say that... this is why Christ had to come to sooth the raft of God on all who live in this world... and point blank... if they are not saved through the faith in Christ which will lead to a life of righteousness the are not a child of God.... as Jesus said they are the seed of the devil. so who's seed are all you who agree that it is ok to live a life of sin.... as Jesus said satan will not rebuke satan.. for a kingdom against it self can not stand... and I don't care what sin it is GOD SAID have no fellowship with the unfruitful workks of darkness... so who you all want to obey,,, GOD or the world... for he who is friends to the world is a enemy of God... And that is what GOD say... so let me hear who is going to ask the Lord who is he to Judge??????? I am so tired of hearing ungodly, confessing Jesus but having their hearts far from him people tring to tell people who KNOW GOD what they should or should not say about the truth... as it say in Romans 1... you are no different then they who do shuch things for you yourselves do them also..... see only people who are deep in their sin hate to hear a strong and truthful rebuke even if it is from the WORD of GOD...... so please stop saying God love the sinner but hate the sin... that is no where in the bible.... he came to save them from their sins.. but if they die in their sins they are going to HELL!!!!! so keep on deceiving them to make them it's ok with God because he loves them... you too will be going to Hell with them.. for speaking msuch lies... I will pray for all..... it is a shame what the devil is doing to people... God said if they want to believe a lie... he will help you... you will never know the truth for he will send you strong delusions... that you will keep beliveing a lie... be careful what you say for if you speak false doctrine... you bring a curse on yourselves... Good post it is digusting as God SAID it is abomination... and he have not chaged that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are SPOT on COOKIE. U Go GIRL lol

 

[ANT]

Wow, I never thought there would be so many Christians in support of the Gay lifestyle. It's speaks volumes about the state of the Church today and ANT, it's a very dangerous thing to take on only the parts of the bible you like and leave others you agree with. The bible requires spiritual understanding that only comes from the Lord, and to limit parts is to miss the Lord's true message and keeps you in confusion and total darkness. I saw you mentioned sacrifices in the Old testament, well, with the wisdom that God gives through the spirit of truth you can see, the reason we're not slaughtering sheep is because of JESUS.
He died as our ultimate sacrifice. See, things are missed when there is a lack of Knowledge. We our only sinners SAVED by GRACE, God is eternal, all knowing, and we are to submit ourselves to him and his WORD. Who are we to say "No God, I know better than you, I don't think this law is right. I know you created everything, but I got this, I can lead my own life by what I think is best". That's a very bad place to be as you will soon find out that what we think is right and good and perfect for us is WRONG. So I agree, not just with American Idol, but many other shows and many other sins being portrayed as fine and ok and to think otherwise as being "Old Fashioned or Judging". The Church needs to stand up and preach with is true no matter if people think it's PC or not. Remember, the LOVE of GOD doesn't mean acceptance of SIN. People keep saying God as if it means that no matter what we do God loves us and it's ok we don't have to turn away from a lifestyle that displeases him. If the Latter was true, we wouldn't need a savior and we could all continue to do what we feel is right and life as we please and we're all going to heaven in the End. Sin is Sin and one is not greater than the other, we are to show love towards one another and lead to Christ without hatred but that does not mean ACCEPTANCE of sin.

I apologize if I have made anyone feel uncomfortable with my perspective. Tough I must say that the reason I left organized religion is because of the many hypocrites that I have come in contact with, who argue that every aspect of the bible is either True or Relevant.
If Equality and Peace on earth is the goal, the kind of spiteful preaching and judgements that cookie and others have chosen to make, are definitely not the best approach to take. If this is the desired approach then perhaps a Theocracy is a better place for them to live. In america there is such a thing as civil rights, and I don't mind opinions but discrimination of any sort is wrong!!!!!!!
I have personally had some resurgence of religious thought, so know that you have helped to support those in opposition to your cause, and even helped draw me and others further away from Christianity.

 

[MeganneCheers]

That may be. But how would you feel if American Idol was being invaded by necrophiliacs?

You cannot compare someone who is gay to a necrophelliac.
That in itself is wrong. Watch your comparisons.
I'm sure you'd be thrilled if I compared you to Hitler.

 

[mryuksaccomplice]

No sin is greater than another. We need to love people, no matter what state they are in. Why else did Jesus hang out with the sinners?

 

[JohnKnox]

And now I have proof the Nazi characterization is not hypothetical.

You cannot compare someone who is gay to a necrophelliac.
That in itself is wrong. Watch your comparisons.
I'm sure you'd be thrilled if I compared you to Hitler.

And what is wrong with the comparison? Ok, it can't be made today, fair enough. But there will be a day when necrophiliacs have banded together, gotten politically astute, inflated their numbers, created all this hype about a necrophiliac gene, formed pop bands, sued religious institutions, and equated their cause with that of abolition. And on that day, you will be shamed as necrophobic for comparing necrophiliacs with Hitler.