The great flood
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The Jewish race would begin with Abraham. Abraham leaves Ur around 1939 BC which was 282 years after the flood. Until then, the Hebrew race did not exist.
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The answer is really simple, the Flood was not 5000 years ago
I've read somewhere that some folks thinks it may have been 12,000 years ago, ice age.
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BeyondET
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As I mentioned that's the interesting part how that came to be, along with the many different races in such short order. Some folks especially from Africa have more dense bone mass than other people from different parts of the world. There's a whole line of different things about the human body that differ from race to race. It's quite a complexing thing.
Muslim is a religion, not a race. Here is a breakdown of the nations based on what scripture tells about where Shem, Ham, and Japheth settled. I found this on the internet years ago, I am sorry I do not remember where.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Their Territories and Nations[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]A. Japheth, 2-5 – Settled the Russian, Asian and European territories. From his sons the nations presumably descended as follows. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1. From Javan descended the Greeks and the Romans. From these later descended the French, Italians, Spanish, and the Portuguese. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2. From Magog descended the Sythians, Slavs, Russians, Bulgarians, Pols, Slovaks, and the Croatians. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]3. From Madai descended the Indian, and Iranic peoples. Out of these came the Medes, the Persians the Afghans, and the Kurds. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]4. From Tubal descended those of the Black Sea region of the Iberian Peninsula – i.e. Spain and Portugal. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]5. From Tiras descended the Thracians, Teutons, Germans, Scandinavians, Anglo-Saxon, and the Juts. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]6. From Mesheck descended the Russians. It is also presumed that these mixed with the descendants of Magog.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]7. From Gomer descended the Celts.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]B. Ham, 6-9 – Settled in the North East region of Africa. From his sons the nations presumably descended as follows.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1. From Mizram descended the Egyptians.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2. From Cush descended the Sudanese and the Ethiopians. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]3. From Put descended the Libyans.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]4. From Canaan descended All of the nations of the Canaanites. He is also the father of the Anakim and the Rephaim out of who King Og in Deuteronomy 1:4 and 3:1 was descended. Now descendants of these nations now exist.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]C. Shem, 10-32 – Settled in the Middle East region. From his sons the nations presumably descended as follows.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1. From Elam descended the Arabians.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2. From Ashur descended the Assyrians. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]3. From Lud descended the Lydians.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]4. From Aram descended the Armenians, the Aramaics the Mesopotamians, and the Syrians. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]5. From Arphaxad descended the Hebrews and the Ishmaelites.[/FONT]
Ur was founded in 3800 BC. If Abram/Abraham leaves Ur in 1939 BC, it could not be 282 years after the flood. The flood is supposed to interrupt and erase all human civilization
Yea, I find it rather interesting. But, if you isolate a few people away from the rest of humanity it does not take long before the society begins to develop distinctive genetic traits that differ from those of others and soon you see the beginning of a whole new race.
Where are Asians and Americans (natives), Aborigins etc?
Well, there are only three basic groups of humans as defined by race. These are orientals, occidentals, and negroid. Every other sub-race is descended from one of these three races.
[#] born - died, name - age
[1st man]. 0 - 930 Adam - 930
Gen. 4:25And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth:
For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed [instead of Abel], whom Cain slew.
Gen. 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son
in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
[2th]. 130-1042 Seth - 912
Gen. 5:6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
Gen.4:26And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos:
then began men [to call upon] the name of the Lord.
[3th]. 235-1140 Enos - 905
Gen. 5:9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
[4th]. 325-1235 Cainan - 910
Gen. 5:12 And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel:
[5th]. 395-1290 Mahalaleel - 895
Gen. 5:15And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:
[6th]. 460-1422 Jared - 962
Gen. 5:18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
[7th]. 622 - 987 Enoch - 365 he was [translated]
-Adam was alive when Enoch was , but died before Enoch was translated.
And Enoch also, [the seventh] from Adam,[ prophesied of these],
saying, Behold, [the Lord cometh with] ten thousands of his saints,
- this [the word about the comming kingdom, when Christ returns] ,
could have been preached to all alive, even to Adam on.
Gen. 5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
[8th]. 687 - 1656 Methuselah - 969
5:25And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:
[9th]. 874 - 1651 Lamech - 777
-Adam dies at age 930, before Noah was born,
Adam was alive when this physical decendents where walking the earth,
Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, [Enoch], Methuselah, Lamech.
not to mention all the sons and daughters not mentioned.
[Enoch] also was translated at [987] before Noah was born.
5:28And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
29And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning
our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed.
[10]. 1056 - 2109 Noah - 953 and Noah walked with God
These are the generations of Noah:
Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations,
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person,
[a preacher of righteousness], bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
-Noah was alive when these forfathers of his where alive -
Lamech, Methuselah , Jared, Mahalaleel, Cainan , Enos,
7 generations where all alive at the same time.
1556 sons Shem, Ham, Japheth
And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
- Methuselah died same year as flood 1656, Lamech 1651 ,
1422 Jared, 1290 Mahalaleel
1656 flood came
1657 dry land found
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not sure if all my math is correct above
[1st man]. 0 - 930 Adam - 930
Gen. 4:25And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth:
For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed [instead of Abel], whom Cain slew.
Gen. 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son
in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
[2th]. 130-1042 Seth - 912
Gen. 5:6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
Gen.4:26And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos:
then began men [to call upon] the name of the Lord.
[3th]. 235-1140 Enos - 905
Gen. 5:9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
[4th]. 325-1235 Cainan - 910
Gen. 5:12 And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel:
[5th]. 395-1290 Mahalaleel - 895
Gen. 5:15And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:
[6th]. 460-1422 Jared - 962
Gen. 5:18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
[7th]. 622 - 987 Enoch - 365 he was [translated]
-Adam was alive when Enoch was , but died before Enoch was translated.
And Enoch also, [the seventh] from Adam,[ prophesied of these],
saying, Behold, [the Lord cometh with] ten thousands of his saints,
- this [the word about the comming kingdom, when Christ returns] ,
could have been preached to all alive, even to Adam on.
Gen. 5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
[8th]. 687 - 1656 Methuselah - 969
5:25And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:
[9th]. 874 - 1651 Lamech - 777
-Adam dies at age 930, before Noah was born,
Adam was alive when this physical decendents where walking the earth,
Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, [Enoch], Methuselah, Lamech.
not to mention all the sons and daughters not mentioned.
[Enoch] also was translated at [987] before Noah was born.
5:28And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
29And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning
our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed.
[10]. 1056 - 2109 Noah - 953 and Noah walked with God
These are the generations of Noah:
Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations,
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person,
[a preacher of righteousness], bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
-Noah was alive when these forfathers of his where alive -
Lamech, Methuselah , Jared, Mahalaleel, Cainan , Enos,
7 generations where all alive at the same time.
1556 sons Shem, Ham, Japheth
And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
- Methuselah died same year as flood 1656, Lamech 1651 ,
1422 Jared, 1290 Mahalaleel
1656 flood came
1657 dry land found
-
not sure if all my math is correct above
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BeyondET
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Indeed it could very well be of adaption to climate and the like. but its still to me quite interesting it happened in afew thousand years yet from 1AD to today 2000 years plus and we don't see very much changes taking place today. little read I've looked at.
Adaption and climate.
There are other racial characteristics that are obviously adaptations to the climates in which the races evolved. Many East African peoples have elongated limbs and bodies that easily dissipate heat. North Asians, on the other hand, have evolved in a cold climate. Their bodies are more squat, they have thick, dark hair, and the epicanthic fold that gives Asians almond-shaped eyes is thought to reduce glare from snow and ice. A flat nose is less exposed to cold, and the virtual absence of facial hair means that condensation from a man’s breath will not freeze on his beard and chill his face. All of these characteristics are most obvious in the Asians who live in the coldest climates.
Some racial differences are not so easily explained. Phenylthiocarbamide (PTC) is a chemical that can be synthesized in the laboratory. To some people, it has a strong, bitter flavor, but to others it has no flavor at all. Seventy percent of Australian aborigines can taste PTC, but only 13 percent of Navaho Indians can. Fifty percent of whites and about 38 percent of Japanese can taste it.
For whatever reasons, the races do not smell the same. Blacks and whites have strong, but differing smells, and many Asians have scarcely any smell. Koreans often have no odor-producing glands in their arm-pits at all and Japanese have very few. Nineteenth-century Japanese found Europeans so foul-smelling that even today, a common Japanese expression for anything Western means “stinking of butter.”
Though they may not always be willing to say so, sports physicians have found physical differences that give different races advantages in different sports (see “May the Best Man Win,” AR, Oct. 1992). Whites and West Africans, for example, differ in proportions of body fat, width of hips, thickness of thighs, bone density, and proportion of fast- and slow-twitch muscle. Even East and West Africans differ in important ways that explain why they excel in different sports.
Because blacks have such dense bones, they are less buoyant and less likely to be swimming champions. However, their bones are more resistant to aging. After their mid-30s, white men lose about 2.5 percent of their bone mass every year. Blacks lose less than one percent. Loss of bone mass speeds up greatly under conditions of weightlessness, so blacks could probably survive longer space voyages than whites.
You listed French, Germans, Polish etc, so where are Chinese or Japanese from?
I'm pretty sure we were hatched from a giant fortune cookie...
You listed French, Germans, Polish etc, so where are Chinese or Japanese from?
The Chinese and Japanese are of oriental descent. All those of oriental descent were from Japheth while all those of Semitic races were from Shem. I am really not an authority in this subject. I can only share with you what I have learned from other sources from my own research from the times I have taught Genesis. But, like you I do find it interesting.
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BeyondET
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If I'm not mistaking I've read there's four, though I don't see the difference the Australiod look caucasian to me lol.
Most anthropologists recognize that there are four major race classifications in the world, which include caucasian, mongoloid or asian, negroid or black and australoid. The race classification was created by Carleston S. Coon in 1962. The four major races can then be further subdivided into 30 subgroups.
I find it interesting, I am just not sure where all these data are from.
But you still did not respond to my note that Ur was founded in 3800 BC, so when Abraham left it in 1939 BC, it could not be 300 years after the flood
I find it interesting, I am just not sure where all these data are from.
But you still did not respond to my note that Ur was founded in 3800 BC, so when Abraham left it in 1939 BC, it could not be 300 years after the flood
Well, maybe my math was wrong. I am very bad with numbers. Let's see, the flood ended in the year 1657 (I am not counting time backward in BC terms. I am counting time upward from the beginning of creation so this may seem confusing to some). Noah died in 2006th year after creation. Abraham is born three years after the death of Noah in 2009. He leaves Ur at the age of 70 which would be in the 2079th year after creation. That would then make it 422 years between the end of the flood and when Abraham left Ur. I guess I did get the math wrong.
Still the numbers are too small and do not fit into the world history. Many civilizations are older than that.