Is The Earth Spinning?

[maxwel]

I know the earth is spinning because sometimes I fall off.


I don't know why I bother to get back on.

 

[posthuman]

Gary, because, land under the ice vs. a liquid ocean under what is actually only covered by ice part of the year.

But why should I expect you to think logically or listen to facts and reason? It's not as though you are a stranger to me, nor your thought patterns.

 

[posthuman]

Since the Arctic ice melts annually why doesn't your imaginary ice wall?

 

[pckts]

I built a rather large one for my thesis project when I earned my physics BS.
I didn't 'fake' anything, and used it both with and without an electromagnetic driver. Without the driver, air resistance acting on the bob slows the pendulum considerably. Great care is taken with the magnetic driver, whose only purpose is to counteract friction, so that it will not impart any sideways motion to the swingarm.

But you're pooh-poohing something you don't entirely comprehend here again, aren't you? Just prepared yourself to parrot whatever flat-earth-wiki or some nutter youtube guy says, not really understanding what the pendulum tells us, and not caring either, because it's not by evidence you've been convinced, but something else, right...?

Why is this electromagnetic driver involved!!!! Sounds like BS to me.


I came to my conclusions about Flat Earth based off of The Bible, fake NASA CGI, knowing who those in power really are and their agendas, and from trusting the cosmology and spiritual beliefs of other cultures.

This pendulum is such a lame and weak example of evidence for rotation. Seriously, where is an electromagnet involved? lol. You even start blabbing about air resistance and injecting the BS into it, even though you "strongly" believe it's evidence, because it's such a contrived and meaningless experiment.

They have college kids build these things to brainwash our bright youth into believing these lies before they get too old and wise to question them. I go to a state university and we have people working on a "moon rover". And they get furious with me when I tell them it's all fake. Your livelihood and pride is on the line here, because if the earth is indeed flat, you will feel like a big idiot when you imagine your 20 year old self building that pendulum and measuring the rotation of the electromagnet and your imagination.

You believe the video I posted of the China space program was authentic "outer space"?!?!?

 

[pckts]

I built a rather large one for my thesis project when I earned my physics BS.
I didn't 'fake' anything, and used it both with and without an electromagnetic driver. Without the driver, air resistance acting on the bob slows the pendulum considerably. Great care is taken with the magnetic driver, whose only purpose is to counteract friction, so that it will not impart any sideways motion to the swingarm.

But you're pooh-poohing something you don't entirely comprehend here again, aren't you? Just prepared yourself to parrot whatever flat-earth-wiki or some nutter youtube guy says, not really understanding what the pendulum tells us, and not caring either, because it's not by evidence you've been convinced, but something else, right...?

And the flag in the China video wasn't waiving in the wind or in a vacuum, it was waiving in the water!

But since you found it appropriate to respond to my point with a unrelated discovery channel propaganda video, I'll do you one better by debunking the pendulum by doing the same, only this video is from an honest source.

[video=youtube;e9zYg0CZb_k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9zYg0CZb_k[/video]

Debunked!

 

[Sirk]

If the earth earth isn't a spinning ball with an iron core, what makes gravity?

 

[Magenta]

If the earth earth isn't a spinning ball with an iron core, what makes gravity?

Mass ...

 

[pckts]

If the earth earth isn't a spinning ball with an iron core, what makes gravity?

"Gravity" is mostly density. I won't say "just" density, because of forces like whatever pulls the magnet toward the "north pole", but the 9.8 M/S/S seemingly downward force phenomenon is what we know as density(and buoyancy too).

 

[posthuman]

Why is this electromagnetic driver involved!!!! Sounds like BS to me.

the pendulum bob, and the wire that it is attached by, encounter air, unless you are cool enough to have a pendulum in a vacuum. every time it swings, it loses inertia to the air it encounters, and unless the swing's amplitude is increased by an amount necessary to counteract that kinetic energy loss, the pendulum slows down and eventually stops, gravity pulling it straight toward the center of the earth's mass ((a.k.a. "down")).

just like you, on a swing on a playground. you push yourself off only once, and you stop swinging pretty quickly. you have to keep kicking off the ground to keep swinging, and if you kick sideways, you'll start swinging sideways.

an omnidirectional magnet at the base of the pendulum is timed and tuned to overcome air resistance. because it is omnidirectional, it does not impart elliptical motion to the swing arc - it pulls the bob with the same strength from whatever angle the bob is swinging, and always pulls directly towards itself. without a driver, the pendulum bob is in free fall, with only the force of the air's friction, gravity, and the derived coriolis force acting on it. a driver is introduced to counteract air resistance, and this keeps the bob swinging with the same speed every time. gravity ((combined with the driving force, if used)) causes the pendulum to swing in a plane. it should not rotate if the earth is not spinning. however it does, predictably so, in a way that varies by latitude, again predictably and measurably. you can in fact derive your latitude to very high precision by watching a Foucault pendulum. you can verify your latitude from other sources, proving that there is an additional force involved - one that so happens to exactly coincide, both in theory and measure, to the derived force that a body in free fall should experience if the earth is rotating.

i've never heard an explanation for what this simple device very obviously and demonstrably does that supports a non-rotating earth other than an aether, but the aether is demonstrated not to exist by several experiments, experiments i've performed myself too - in the very least, demonstrated to not have the kind of effect that it would have to have to explain a free pendulums precession being predictable by latitude. what i hear - and what i'm sure you found by googling - is attacks on the pendulum itself. groovy, i say - then build yourself one and do it right. trouble is you'll get the same result.

the symmetry around the equator of the predictable period of such a pendulum is even worse news for flat earth theory. but then any pendulum blows up flat earth theory, because, well, gravity.

 

[pckts]

the pendulum bob, and the wire that it is attached by, encounter air, unless you are cool enough to have a pendulum in a vacuum. every time it swings, it loses inertia to the air it encounters, and unless the swing's amplitude is increased by an amount necessary to counteract that kinetic energy loss, the pendulum slows down and eventually stops, gravity pulling it straight toward the center of the earth's mass ((a.k.a. "down")).

just like you, on a swing on a playground. you push yourself off only once, and you stop swinging pretty quickly. you have to keep kicking off the ground to keep swinging, and if you kick sideways, you'll start swinging sideways.

an omnidirectional magnet at the base of the pendulum is timed and tuned to overcome air resistance. because it is omnidirectional, it does not impart elliptical motion to the swing arc - it pulls the bob with the same strength from whatever angle the bob is swinging, and always pulls directly towards itself. without a driver, the pendulum bob is in free fall, with only the force of the air's friction, gravity, and the derived coriolis force acting on it. a driver is introduced to counteract air resistance, and this keeps the bob swinging with the same speed every time. gravity ((combined with the driving force, if used)) causes the pendulum to swing in a plane. it should not rotate if the earth is not spinning. however it does, predictably so, in a way that varies by latitude, again predictably and measurably. you can in fact derive your latitude to very high precision by watching a Foucault pendulum. you can verify your latitude from other sources, proving that there is an additional force involved - one that so happens to exactly coincide, both in theory and measure, to the derived force that a body in free fall should experience if the earth is rotating.

i've never heard an explanation for what this simple device very obviously and demonstrably does that supports a non-rotating earth other than an aether, but the aether is demonstrated not to exist by several experiments, experiments i've performed myself too - in the very least, demonstrated to not have the kind of effect that it would have to have to explain a free pendulums precession being predictable by latitude. what i hear - and what i'm sure you found by googling - is attacks on the pendulum itself. groovy, i say - then build yourself one and do it right. trouble is you'll get the same result.

the symmetry around the equator of the predictable period of such a pendulum is even worse news for flat earth theory. but then any pendulum blows up flat earth theory, because, well, gravity.




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Are you the one that does this timing and tuning?

 

[pckts]

the pendulum bob, and the wire that it is attached by, encounter air, unless you are cool enough to have a pendulum in a vacuum. every time it swings, it loses inertia to the air it encounters, and unless the swing's amplitude is increased by an amount necessary to counteract that kinetic energy loss, the pendulum slows down and eventually stops, gravity pulling it straight toward the center of the earth's mass ((a.k.a. "down")).

just like you, on a swing on a playground. you push yourself off only once, and you stop swinging pretty quickly. you have to keep kicking off the ground to keep swinging, and if you kick sideways, you'll start swinging sideways.

an omnidirectional magnet at the base of the pendulum is timed and tuned to overcome air resistance. because it is omnidirectional, it does not impart elliptical motion to the swing arc - it pulls the bob with the same strength from whatever angle the bob is swinging, and always pulls directly towards itself. without a driver, the pendulum bob is in free fall, with only the force of the air's friction, gravity, and the derived coriolis force acting on it. a driver is introduced to counteract air resistance, and this keeps the bob swinging with the same speed every time. gravity ((combined with the driving force, if used)) causes the pendulum to swing in a plane. it should not rotate if the earth is not spinning. however it does, predictably so, in a way that varies by latitude, again predictably and measurably. you can in fact derive your latitude to very high precision by watching a Foucault pendulum. you can verify your latitude from other sources, proving that there is an additional force involved - one that so happens to exactly coincide, both in theory and measure, to the derived force that a body in free fall should experience if the earth is rotating.

i've never heard an explanation for what this simple device very obviously and demonstrably does that supports a non-rotating earth other than an aether, but the aether is demonstrated not to exist by several experiments, experiments i've performed myself too - in the very least, demonstrated to not have the kind of effect that it would have to have to explain a free pendulums precession being predictable by latitude. what i hear - and what i'm sure you found by googling - is attacks on the pendulum itself. groovy, i say - then build yourself one and do it right. trouble is you'll get the same result.

the symmetry around the equator of the predictable period of such a pendulum is even worse news for flat earth theory. but then any pendulum blows up flat earth theory, because, well, gravity.




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That's just me criticizing the replica experiments like yours.

But what if the real one actually DOES work? (if it isn't a hoax)

Well Solar eclipses are said to have an effect on this pendulum. Something that NASA and physicists aren't quick to acknowledge or give attention to. So, I would be open to the Sun, moon, stars, or planets giving off some kind of force as they rotate around the flat earth that the pendulum can measure.

If this solar eclipse effect is real, which is said to influence the rotation of the pendulum considerably, I would say the Foucault's pendulum is more of a proof for an alternative model like flat earth or this "electric universe" than the glove earth model.

 

[tourist]

I've returned from google, I've heard of this before and already know my counterargument.



Look I'm someone who believes the scientific community told and have maintained a 500 year old lie regarding globe earth, I also believe that NASA CGI and edited all of their evidence and not only deceived the entire public, but was successful for decades.

So, this pendulum I just have to say that in 1850 they BS'ed it, and all of the modern ones, if not BS, just use the electromagnets or whatever other third party force to fake it.

Seems odd this is the only device in the world that tracks the rotation, and it took until 1850 to make one, and we can only replicate this thing, we can't make any new devices to do so.





Let me try a new approach, maybe we are all just too patriotic from living inside the machine.

Would we be willing to consider that China fakes their space program?
[video=youtube;lBL98p0wZ7g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g[/video]

Now, I don't agree with you that the earth is flat, and or whether or not that the earth is spinning but this video certainly looked to be fake to me. Either it's fake or they should clean the camera lens with Windex.

 

[Sirk]

Don't flat earthers also believe that nuclear weapons are a hoax?

 

[pckts]

Now, I don't agree with you that the earth is flat, and or whether or not that the earth is spinning but this video certainly looked to be fake to me. Either it's fake or they should clean the camera lens with Windex.

You just brightened up my whole night. You're saying you think the space footage is fake right, not the video itself?

Do you think this footage of their moon rover is real?

[video=youtube;WVnw-61Hb0Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVnw-61Hb0Q[/video]

 

[posthuman]

Well Solar eclipses are said to have an effect on this pendulum.

you're referring to a result an economist named Allais reported in 1954 and again in 1959. several experiments have been carried out trying to replicate his results, with mixed results - some saw similar changes and some did not. in particular a very well controlled experiment in 1991 got a null result, and since then, a lot of people have figured Allais, who was not an experimenter, simply did not account for some outside source of vibration. but there's no apparent conclusive answer.

it's thought that the shadow of the moon causes rapid cooling of the atmosphere, producing infrasound pressure waves that can affect a sensitive pendulum. it's also thought that gravity of the sun may be in a sense 'scattered' by the moon, and that a wave-effect can be detected by a pendulum under the right circumstances. the pressure wave effect was in fact recently measured - here's a brief article that's easy to understand:

http://www.universetoday.com/14435/solar-sonic-boom-eclipses-may-generate-atmospheric-shocks/

and here's a link to a paper that may be a little harder to read, but which gives details of how exactly such an effect was actually detected:

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/JAS-D-12-091.1



if you think that this is "being covered up" by evil scientists and conspiratorial NASA illuminati lizard people, well, i think maybe you are getting that impression because you are waiting for it to pop up on fox news? because there are certainly papers that have been written, and continue to be written and published about the effect. perhaps you are looking in the wrong places for studies. try the AMS and journals of physics early this fall, after the eclipse due to occur over the US in august this year. a group at Harvard is planning to look into it, according to this preliminary paper they published less than two months ago:

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2017AAS...22914006M

and i doubt they are the only ones.

please notice that this does not in any way disqualify the still very much observable and established precession of a free pendulum that is explained by the earth rotating beneath it. just because in some cases a pendulum's swing has been observed to be perturbed while the shadow of the moon passes over it ((and in some other identical cases it has not been seen)) does not mean the earth does not rotate nor that it is flat or that lizard people live in the center of it. the result regarding the coriolis force still stands and is repeatable.
these links give a possible explanation of what was observed, another possible explanation being experimental error, since the result Allais saw has not been repeated in every case.

my feeling is that mixed results come from mixed circumstances, and pressure waves created by rapid temperature fluctuation in the upper atmosphere can certainly have mixed effects owing to the very complex nature of such differentials translating themselves down to ground level. if there is a gravity wave phenomenon involved, that is even less well understood, and variations in how such an effect is transmitted could easily explain mixed results as well, especially since such things have not been controlled for - gravity waves themselves only recently having been seriously studied. they are a 'hot topic' n physics these days though, and i wouldn't doubt that papers later this year involving them, pendulums and eclipses, will pop up.

 

[pckts]

you're referring to a result an economist named Allais reported in 1954 and again in 1959. several experiments have been carried out trying to replicate his results, with mixed results - some saw similar changes and some did not. in particular a very well controlled experiment in 1991 got a null result, and since then, a lot of people have figured Allais, who was not an experimenter, simply did not account for some outside source of vibration. but there's no apparent conclusive answer.

it's thought that the shadow of the moon causes rapid cooling of the atmosphere, producing infrasound pressure waves that can affect a sensitive pendulum. it's also thought that gravity of the sun may be in a sense 'scattered' by the moon, and that a wave-effect can be detected by a pendulum under the right circumstances. the pressure wave effect was in fact recently measured - here's a brief article that's easy to understand:

http://www.universetoday.com/14435/solar-sonic-boom-eclipses-may-generate-atmospheric-shocks/

and here's a link to a paper that may be a little harder to read, but which gives details of how exactly such an effect was actually detected:

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/JAS-D-12-091.1



if you think that this is "being covered up" by evil scientists and conspiratorial NASA illuminati lizard people, well, i think maybe you are getting that impression because you are waiting for it to pop up on fox news? because there are certainly papers that have been written, and continue to be written and published about the effect. perhaps you are looking in the wrong places for studies. try the AMS and journals of physics early this fall, after the eclipse due to occur over the US in august this year. a group at Harvard is planning to look into it, according to this preliminary paper they published less than two months ago:

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2017AAS...22914006M

and i doubt they are the only ones.

please notice that this does not in any way disqualify the still very much observable and established precession of a free pendulum that is explained by the earth rotating beneath it. just because in some cases a pendulum's swing has been observed to be perturbed while the shadow of the moon passes over it ((and in some other identical cases it has not been seen)) does not mean the earth does not rotate nor that it is flat or that lizard people live in the center of it. the result regarding the coriolis force still stands and is repeatable.
these links give a possible explanation of what was observed, another possible explanation being experimental error, since the result Allais saw has not been repeated in every case.

my feeling is that mixed results come from mixed circumstances, and pressure waves created by rapid temperature fluctuation in the upper atmosphere can certainly have mixed effects owing to the very complex nature of such differentials translating themselves down to ground level. if there is a gravity wave phenomenon involved, that is even less well understood, and variations in how such an effect is transmitted could easily explain mixed results as well, especially since such things have not been controlled for - gravity waves themselves only recently having been seriously studied. they are a 'hot topic' n physics these days though, and i wouldn't doubt that papers later this year involving them, pendulums and eclipses, will pop up.

Did I say this? Or did I say "NASA and physicists aren't quick to acknowledge or give attention to".

I'll give an example, did you know that moonlight is cold and can be tested as such? There are many videos, blogs, everything of people performing this test and I do not see it refuted.

However, I was NEVER told this in school, hear it ever mentioned in the media, tv, film, and just as a I said about the solar eclipses, NASA and physicists aren't quick to acknowledge or give attention to the FACT that moonlight is cold. So it is not being "covered up" by lizard people, but it is being intentionally ignored by evil people because it raises too many questions that the false model cannot answer.

Pendulum possibilities:

A It is a measurement of nothing/error/magnetic north:

You could be measuring the combined error of the magnet and outside forces acting on the experiment, or that force that works our compass

B You are measuring an unknown natural force:

You are measuring the movement of the sun, moon, stars, and planetary bodies(Or earth's "rotation)

The solar eclipse effect makes more sense on the flat earth model, than the "Moon's Shadow" using lizard people magic to BS

Can you address the 3 minutes of China space program videos I posted now? All you do is watch the video and say whether or not you think it's this fantasy land "outer space", or if you think it's a fake production. Pretty straightforward

And moonlight is cold because the moon generates it's own light

 

[tourist]

Don't flat earthers also believe that nuclear weapons are a hoax?

No, but the nukes can blow a hole through the earth. If that happens the oceans would drain into outer space. It's certainly a cause for concern.

 

[Susanna]

No, but the nukes can blow a hole through the earth. If that happens the oceans would drain into outer space. It's certainly a cause for concern.

That adds a new meaning to "Drain the Swamp".

 

[posthuman]

"Gravity" is mostly density. I won't say "just" density, because of forces like whatever pulls the magnet toward the "north pole", but the 9.8 M/S/S seemingly downward force phenomenon is what we know as density(and buoyancy too).

Density is mass per unit volume. So your units don't match.

Buoyancy is the resultant pressure a fluid exerts on a body that is submersed or partially submersed the difference in pressure existing because *something* exerts a downward force on the body, unbalancing the omnidirectional pressure.

Guess what that *something* is?


Gravity.

 

[CaptainGoat]

Don't flat earthers also believe that nuclear weapons are a hoax?

You mean fuel air bombs?



Regarding the replies in general....
Actually amazed this thread created so much interest and debate. Please make sure to keep loving your brothers and sisters even though you have different ideas, as God made us all with our own minds with some to think inside and some to think outside the box.
I love being open minded, though we need to be not too open minded our brains fall out...
For me I'm not convinced about a flat earth but neither am I convinced what we learn in our education regarding the earth and all around to be true as until we get to be with the Creator, we won't know all the answers. This does not stop us taking delight in figuring things out, and for a good few millenniums mankind has indeed thought about such a question.
I believe it is an insult and a mistake to assume those who lived after God first created them onwards that they didn't have the intelligence we have today. If anything, I would say they had more. It certainly wasn't a case of cavemen with a club who could only pronounce the word "Ug". If you think that you are as daft as those who teach it! You think God would have let Adam name all the creatures "Ug?"
We need to realize that after God created the Heavens and the Earth He said "It is good", and indeed it was good and still is good.