The FDA's policies and recommendations are at best a mix of...

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

JosephsDreams

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2015
4,313
468
83
#1
...the good, the bad and the ugly.

The food pyramid is as much, if not more, a political document then a scientific one.

It is not a over statement to declare that in it's history the FDA has maybe hurt more people then it has helped.

The FDA often endorses drugs it should ban, bans drugs ans supplements it should endorse, and ignores sound science in the name of politics, money and agency and job security.

Many of their recommendations need to be researched as to their actual benefits versus the risks,

Conversely the FDA often bans certain supplements (indeed because they are in bed with big pharma, they have tried outright more then once discontinue the use of ALL supplements without a prescription from a doctor) that are relatively safe and have been used for centuries, in some cases thousands of years.

Below are excerpts from articles about the FDA.

1- The USDA Food Pyramid is a Political Document
APRIL 8, 2010
You’ve been punked by the government . . . and not in a good-natured way. What you’ve been taught about healthy eating, how our society has determined school lunches, health education, and nutritional requirements is a product of lobbying, not science. Check out the USDA’s current food pyramid:




Beyond the crucial inclusion of Triscuits in your grain consumption, notice anything strange?
What if I told you that 100% of Native Americans, 90% of Asian Americans, and 75% of African Americans are naturally lactose intolerant? Funny then that the USDA would declare milk such an essential part of a healthy diet, right?
Or, look at the “Meat & Beans” section — and notice that it doesn’t say “Meat OR Beans.” When even the American Dietetic Association finds that properly planned vegetarianism is a perfectly healthy way to live, it’s odd that the USDA would teach schoolkids and the public that you have to eat meat to be healthy.



A lot of money, right? And, these millions don’t even count campaign contributions from the dairy industry which total nearly $32 million over the last 20 years. The total for the livestock industry is nearly $42 million.
So: 1. Agribusiness industries lobby in Washington and spend lots on campaign contributions; 2. Under these circumstances the USDA produces the food pyramid; and 3. At the end of the day, your kids are taught what to eat based on what the lobbyists want them to learn.
What to do?
Well first, obviously, start learning how to actually eat healthy and transform your health and the health of your family.
Secondly, we need to address these issues on a societal level. What is the best strategy for this? Some argue that the best path is for individuals to vote with their pocketbooks, change their individual lifestyles, and in so doing, change the world. Others think that’s nonsense, and that the only way to effect change is through coordinated organizing and action. Still others think that voting at the polls or running for office is the only way. What’s your argument? Please comment on this.
For more great info and analysis check out Food Politics, the great book and blog by NYU (and IIN!) Professor Marion Nestle.
— Steve

Link to article - https://lizandstevedooley.wordpress.com/2010/04/08/the-usda-food-pyramid-is-a-political-document/


2 - The FDA and food companies have been wrong before: they have assured us of the safety of products that were not safe
The following is an excerpt from Chapter 14, “Seedy Business: What Big Food is hiding with its slick PR campaign on GMOs,” by Gary Ruskin, co-director of the public watchdog group US Right to Know.
Many people believe that if a food is sold in the U.S. market, it must be safe. This impression is false.
On food safety, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and food companies have been wrong before – many times. The FDA and food companies have often allowed food products or additives on the market, later to discover they were, in fact, unsafe.
This is important, because it suggests that since the FDA and food companies have been wrong before, they could be wrong again, this time about genetically engineered foods.
(It is curious that many Republicans – who are inclined to distrust the federal agencies, including the FDA — should so readily accept the idea that a food is safe because the FDA allows it on the market.)
What follows is a list of food additives, artificial flavors and sweeteners that were sold in the United States and later removed from the market because they were unsafe.
One could make a parallel list of FDA-approved pharmaceuticals that were subsequently pulled from the market, such as Vioxx, Bextra, Baycol, Propulsid, Rezulin, Lotronex, Trasylol and many others.[1]
But this is a report about food, so we will keep our focus there.

Agene (nitrogen trichloride) was a widely used bleaching agent for wheat flour between 1924-49.[2] In 1948, according to the New York Times, 90% of all white flour was agenized.[3] Agene was banned in 1949,[4] after it was discovered to have caused “running fits” and “hysteria” in dogs.[5]

Cinnamyl anthranilate was an artificial flavor. It produces an imitation grape or cherry flavor. It was found to cause liver in mice,[6] and was banned in 1985.[7]

Cobalt salts were added to beer as a foam stabilizer. In 1966, cobalt salts were linked to thirty-seven deaths due to cardiomyopathy,[8] and later that year the FDA banned them.[9]

Coumarin is a vanilla flavoring, a product of the tonka bean. According to the New York Times, it was “widely used in ice creams, candy, baked goods, soft drinks and products using chocolate, for many years.”[10] It is toxic to the liver, and was banned by the FDA in 1954.[11]

Cyclamates are a class of artificial sweeteners. They were popular; about 15 million pounds were used in 1967, mostly in soft drinks.[12] The FDA banned them in 1969, following evidence that they caused bladder tumors in rats.[13]...

And the list continues. Here is the link to the full article - https://usrtk.org/the-fda-and-food-...of-the-safety-of-products-that-were-not-safe/


3 - FDA Looking to Ban B6 Supplements, Give Boost to Big Pharma
Elizabeth Renter
Activist Post
Sun, 23 Sep 2012 17:14 UTC





© Activist Post
Vitamin B6, naturally present in a variety of foods, is necessary for proper nerve function, protein synthesis, regulating blood sugar, and producing antibodies and hemoglobin. In other words, it's pretty important stuff. But, while many people get their B6 through supplements, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration is looking to make things a lot more difficult - by slowly taking all forms of B6 supplements off the market so Big Pharma can make millions off of prescriptions instead.

According to the Alliance for Natural Health (ANH), the FDA has already begun their crusade. They removed Pyridoxamine (a natural form of B6) supplements from the market at the request of BioStratum, a pharmaceutical company.

Why? Because BioStratum thinks it might be nice to use Pyrdoxamine in a prescription drug. They haven't developed the drug, we don't know what it is, and who knows when it will come to fruition, but the FDA honored a request from the big corporation to protect the company's interest.

Now, the FDA is poised to pull another B6 product: P5P.

You see, the human body must convert B6 to P5P to make it usable within the body. Fortunately, some supplement companies have created P5P and it is currently available as a natural supplement. But, another pharmaceutical giant has petitioned the FDA to "protect its interests".

Medicure Pharma would like all P5P removed from the supplement market so they can begin to work on a drug containing the crucial form of B6. In their petition, they state:
Pharmaceutical companies developing new drugs must be protected from companies that may seek to market the ingredients in those drugs as dietary supplements. The marketing of such products has the potential to undermine the incentive for the development of new drugs because many people may choose to purchase the supplements rather than the drugs.​
So, that basically sums it up. In order to protect the money-grabbing interests of this company, at whatever risk to the health of the general public, the federal government should step in and take the supplements out. I suppose that line of thought makes sense if you are a top official with Medicure Pharma.

But, the FDA has not yet honored the ANH's petition yet concerning the B6 supplements. And while the FDA doesn't always care what is in the best interest of the people, we hope that by joining the ANH, we can make our voices heard.

You can help. Contact the FDA and Congress today and let them know that not all consumers are interested in drugs over supplements. You can find a petition here on the Alliance for Natural Health's website.

Link to full article - https://www.sott.net/article/251611-FDA-Looking-to-Ban-B6-Supplements-Give-Boost-to-Big-Pharma

AUG 7, 2013 @ 08:48 AM 22,572 VIEWSThe Little Black Book of Billionaire Secrets



4 - Is The FDA Being Compromised By Pharma Payments?


John LaMattina , CONTRIBUTOR

I cover news on drugs and R&D in the pharma industry
Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own.
In touting an upcoming special issue of the Journal of Law, Medicine and Ethics (JLME), Donald W. Light of the School of Public Health, University of Medicine & Dentistry of NJ, wrote an article entitled “Risky Drugs: Why The FDA Cannot Be Trusted”. Last week I discussed one aspect of this article, Light’s challenge that 90% of FDA approved drugs of the last 30 years are no more effective than existing drugs. However, the bulk of his essay focuses not on his views about pharma’s competence but rather on his issues with the FDA. While I found a number of his comments troubling, the following stood out.
“The forthcoming article in JLME also presents systematic, quantitative evidence that since the industry started making large contributions to the FDA for reviewing its drugs, as it makes large contributions to Congressmen who have promoted this substitution for publicly funded regulations, the FDA has sped up the review process with the result that drugs approved are significantly more likely to cause serious harm, hospitalizations, and deaths.”
This is a pretty damning comment. Basically, Light is saying that pharma paid congressmen to sponsor legislation that results in the FDA being beholden to pharma for funding for its work. Implicit in this is that, as a result of these large “contributions”, the grateful FDA is rapidly approving medicines that are harmful.

Link to full article
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnla...-compromised-by-pharma-payments/#5705f1972830


5 - U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) drug review bears a structural similarity to many decisions made by other regulatory agencies: high uncertainty, low reversibility, avoidance of observable error, and high political stakes that induce lobbying by interested parties. This paper explores the policy lessons to be learned from viewing FDA drug review as a politically shaped exercise in information processing. I argue that the incentives facing regulators induce limits on the degree to which drug review can be accelerated, that the same incentives could render privatization initiatives problematic, and that political pressures could play a useful role in identifying priority drugs.


Full article - The Political Economy Of FDA Drug Review: Processing, Politics, And Lessons For Policy








 
Last edited:

JosephsDreams

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2015
4,313
468
83
#2
[h=1]The FDA & Big Pharma Alliance: Lethal Cover Ups[/h]Posted on 2016/02/10
TAGS: BIG PHARMA, FDA
It is undeniable that the FDA has a controversial relationship with the pharmaceutical industry. Not a single psychiatric drug is released into the market for administration until the FDA gives its safety a legitimate stamp of approval. But how legitimate is this stamp and are these drugs truly safe? The medical cartel formed by the matrimony between the FDA & Big Pharma must come under scrutiny and both parties must be held accountable for their inexcusable corruption. We’re talking about repeated scientific fraud, campaigns to aggressively silence the FDA’s own scientists and other independent health organizations, and debilitation wreaked on innocent lives, people who trusted in the FDA approved medication to heal themselves. The so called safety of these drugs released by the FDA has been called into question by a concerned minority who feel the need to speak out against the malpractices responsible for the astoundingly high count of medical drug related deaths in the USA
A notable American pediatrician and advocate for ethical health care, Barbara Starfield, drew widespread attention to a report presented in theJournal of the American Medical Association in the year 2000, where it was estimated that the number of deaths related to pharmaceutical drugs was approximately 106,000 per year. Starfield’s mission was to make this information available to the public, since our mainstream media was not taking the initiative to do so. Despite a record high number of deaths and injuries, neither the federal government nor the legislative body of justice took remedial action.

Link to full article - The FDA & Big Pharma Alliance: Lethal Cover Ups - TruthTheory



[h=1]FDA: Massive Attack on Supplements[/h] 117[FONT=&quot]BY ANH-USA ON AUGUST 15, 2016ONE BIG FIX FOR HEALTHCARE

[FONT=&quot]The long-awaited revision of FDA guidance rules for new supplements is finally here. It is very bad news. Highest-level Action Alert!
We normally publish our newsletter on Tuesday, but are sending out this issue today because of its urgency.

What we are dealing with here is whether the supplement industry is allowed to innovate and create new supplements. The FDA, working as usual on behalf of the drug industry, says no. We need your help to stop this right now. It will take a huge effort on all of our parts and we need to start immediately.

Over the last few years, one of the biggest issues facing the supplement industry has been the confusion over how to comply with the new dietary ingredient (NDI) provisions contained in the landmark Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 (DSHEA), the main law governing supplements. For the layman, “new dietary ingredient” is usually just government jargon for “new supplement.”
Under DSHEA, any dietary supplement introduced to the market in the US after 1994 is considered “new” (an NDI) and the manufacturer must notify the FDA at least seventy-five days in advance of marketing the product.
In 2011, the FDA released a draft guidance setting forth the agency’s thinking on how companies should comply with DSHEA’s NDI requirements: how and when a NDI notification should be submitted, what information should be included, what is or is not considered an NDI, etc.

The 2011 draft guidance was a massive broadside aimed at crippling—if not eliminating—the supplement industry. An economic analysis at the time by an Emory University professor estimated that the FDA’s outrageous interpretation of the DSHEA-mandated NDI notification language would have meant:

  • the elimination of tens of thousands of supplements from the market;
  • an industry-wide cost of between $2 billion and $165 billion in animal and human product safety studies to comply with the FDA’s NDI notification protocols; and
  • the loss of between 55,270 and 104,475 jobs in the supplement industry.
ANH-USA and others submitted detailed comments to the FDA concerning its deeply flawed guidance document, and ANH-USA members flooded the agency with comments. After a major backlash of 146,000 pages of comments, Congressman Peter Roskam (R-IL) stepped in and said the FDA had reversed the intent of DSHEA, which was meant to expand, not restrict, consumer access to supplements.

Link to full article - FDA: Massive Attack on Supplements



[/FONT]


[/FONT]
 

JosephsDreams

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2015
4,313
468
83
#3
Be careful when using the FDA as a guideline for what is acceptable and not acceptable and as to what to put into your body and as to what is a safe and healing substance and what is not.

Do your research and pray before making decisions that affect your health and the welfare of those you love.
There is a lot of false information out there and sadly many of the uninformed and gullible will suffer because of the world system we are immersed in.
 

tourist

Senior Member
Mar 13, 2014
42,689
17,153
113
70
Tennessee
#4
The FDA needs a major over-haul. There is a lot of corruption and fraud. It's a swamp that needs to be drained. The government has no business telling the citizens what the can or cannot consume, including prescription drugs. Pharmaceutical companies are greedy and corrupt also.
 

JosephsDreams

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2015
4,313
468
83
#5
Well they have protected many people in more then a few instances. The problem is that they have hurt multiples more.
Leave it to good old human nature to screw a good premise up.
Its a swamp that needs to be drained, sanitized, filled in, and forgotten.

They really need to start all over again. It is beyond repair.
 

blue_ladybug

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2014
70,925
9,673
113
#6
This might be the wrong thread to ask on, but anyways.. What are your thoughts on tart cherries and turmeric being used as anti-inflammatories and pain relievers? :)
 

JosephsDreams

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2015
4,313
468
83
#7
It's the right place ro ask. We'll segway it into a FDA post Blue, no worries.

So funny you asked about Tart Cherries and on the FDA thread !

But first to the Turmeric...
Organic Turmeric plant will help. Organic Turmeric powder may help. If it's not organic, don't waste your money.

On to the Tart Cherries. An article from a magazine I sometimes read about Tart Cherries and the FDA.

[FONT=&quot][h=1]Anti-Inflammatory Properties of Tart Cherry[/h][h=2][/h]June 2013
By Michael Downey

[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]

On October 17, 2005, the FDA sent out warning letters to cherry growers insisting that they cease making substantiated health claims that specific chemicals found in cherries could reduce pain and inflammation.1,2
The FDA wanted cherry growers to stop citing published scientific studies showing that cherries are packed with unique anthocyanins and other compounds that naturally mediate the inflammatory process.3-6 These compounds deliver comparable anti-inflammatory activity to ibuprofen (Advil®) and naproxen (Aleve®)7—but without the significant side effects!
Standard treatment for muscle pain and inflammation has been with nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs. With over 111 million prescriptions and accounting for around 60% of over-the-counter pain reliever sales in the USA alone, these are some of the most commonly used types of medications.8 But because they can have deadly side effects, including gastric bleeding, heart attack, and kidney failure, the search for natural agents that could prove more beneficial and safer has gained increased attention.9,10
The compounds found in cherries modulate numerous pathways to protect against other conditions associated with inflammation—including cancer, cardiovascular disease, metabolic syndrome, and Alzheimer’s disease.11-14 For example, tart cherry constituents can switch critical genes off and on;15,16 modulate cell-signaling molecules like tumor necrosis factor;17 and target multiple cardiovascular factors—producing, in one study model, an astounding 65% reduction in early mortality!18







[/FONT]
 

blue_ladybug

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2014
70,925
9,673
113
#8
The reason I ask about them is, I ordered some from the Puritan's Pride website. They are tart cherry capsules, 1200 mg. each and I'm supposed to take 3 a day of them. Puritan's also has tart cherry with turmeric included in it, and I've ordered some of those as well. As you already know, I have chronic horrible problems with my back and I'm hoping that these will help, however slightly. :) I also eat dried tart cherries, honey and maple syrup for their anti-inflammatory properties. And I know turmeric is supposed to be a pain reliever.

Looking at the label, it says "whole tart cherry fruit concentrate 7:1" "Provides powerful anthocyanins that protect the body from oxidative damage.." "Made with Montmorency variety cherries, 1200 mg. " "Gluten-free, no wheat, sugar, salt, yeast, corn, soy, dairy products, artificial colors, flavors or preservatives."

Here's the link to their site if you wanna look and maybe advise me on what else I should be taking, or what to take instead.. They have a search function, so just type in "tart cherry". :) Thanks, Joseph..

Discount Vitamins & Herbal Supplements from Puritan's Pride
 

blue_ladybug

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2014
70,925
9,673
113
#9
Oh and also I wanted to try these because I'm tired of living on ibuprofen and heat wraps. :/ I HATE taking pills but at least with these, it's only once a day compared to every 6-8 hours with the ibuprofen..
 

JosephsDreams

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2015
4,313
468
83
#10
I just checked and cross checked my list of Doctor approved supplement companies with the list of companies that Purity offers and I also checked the Purity offering against my list of the best 12 or so supplement companies in the United States (not all of them from this list of the best 12 or so are doctor approved, but most are. And the companies that are not should be).
I got up to the letter L on the Purity list and the letter L on my list and stopped there.

The doctor approved companies on my list numbered about 60 companies up to the letter L. On the Purity list it numbered about 250 companies from the letters A to L.

I stopped there as I felt there was no need to go on any further.

I was stunned to see Giogio Armani (A clothing brand that I adore) was on that list. Also Gianni Versace and Giorgio Beverly Hills and Givenchy and Giovnni were listed too. I said to myself, Huh? They make supplements? Oh no. Looks more like a fashion designer site under the letter G then a supplement business! But thankfully it was just for fragrances.

My point being that Purity sells mostly mediocre to lower quality supplements. Maybe Dr, Mercola and Deva and Garden of Life on this list from the letter A to L are three decent brands out of the 250 or so I counted from A to L, but I did not see any others that I would recommend.

I can point you in the direction for some truly potent but gentle on the body supplements, but they are not going to be cheap. Not most of them anyway.
But they will work, and some of them, because of their potency and bio availability will be cheaper in the long run then many of the supplements on the Purity site.

If not, I will do my best to advise what supplements and brands you can purchase from this site, but I suspect they are generally not going to have te effect I would hope for or expect.

BTW, I do not have any financial interest in any supplement company. I get no kickback nor am I a distributor.
I used to sell Metagenic products to my clients, and also Young Living essential oils and Angstrom (nano) minerals and a few of the Thorne company supplements and the Zero point Global stuff, but I stopped a while ago.

Not because I found any problems with them. On the contrary, they are great companies. I still am officially a distributor for a few of them. I just did not want to be bothered with it anymore, nor did I want people to think I was trying to hawk products. The core of my program always was and will be the dietary and life style aspect of it, but certainly supplements and other modalities like oxygen therapy, hydro therapy, infra red light therapy and others can play a crucial role in recovery too.

You really need to go on a strong metabolic enzyme. Along with some essential oils and the Progurt probiotics for starters. Also the vibrational pointers would almost definitely be a big help for you.

I would also strongly suggest the Miror EPF. It would not help directly with your specific issue, but would clean the body up so it would have more energy and healing focus to help reduce some of the inflammation and pain. How much I can not say, but probably enough to notice a difference.

The Ibuprofen is hurting your body in the long term. I am sure you know that, as you seem to hve a handle on a lot of this.

Also closed system colonics and hyperbaric chamber sessions would absolutely benefit you.
The problem is that in our area neither of the two is available. I checked because I wanted to them myself. Montreal is the closest place.

Maybe a infra red sauna would help you too.

Have you tried acupuncture?

Can you do shiatsu massage's? Would they help?
 
Last edited:

JosephsDreams

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2015
4,313
468
83
#11
I just remembered this too Blue. Your not going to like it, but can you stand taking the Blue Green algae in even a capsule form? The liquid is better though. Could you mix the liquid form of it in apple juice or something?
It is really dynamic and also would help with inflammation and would help with other body healing that will free up that energy to divert more of it to help with your pain and reduce inflammation.

Remember the body is holistic, nothing functions in a vacuum.
Improve one or two things that may not even be directly related to the major issue, it still has a cascade effect.

Of course it is just about impossible to quantify how much it would improve. It could be 5% or 25% or more.
My view is that even a 5% improvement with the additional benefit of improving other body functions (like immune system for one) is worth it, especially if there are no harmful side effects, which there are not with almost most "natural" products, outside of some herbs and a few other other compounds.
 

blue_ladybug

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2014
70,925
9,673
113
#12
I'm willing to try the algae in capsule form, but if it's more potent in liquid form then it would definitely have to be mixed with something sweet.. lol

What is Miror EPF? No, I haven't tried acupuncture. I don't like needles. LOL..
 

JosephsDreams

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2015
4,313
468
83
#13
Go to Miror core's website.
What they say about the product is true.

If you decide to purchase it use it 3x a day, 2 to 3 drops per use. You can chase it with apple juice or water or some other juice. Or you can mix it in those too.

Also you should really purchase the AST Vida Defense metabolic enzymes. Its available on Amazon.
Take it before or after about a hour and a half of eating.
Three times a day, 4 capsules each time.
When you wake up before breakfast, after lunch and before bed.

Astaxanthin. Have you tried that yet? A powerful anti oxidant. Oxidation is the cousin of inflammation.

Resveratrol too. Have you done that?

If I were you I would be taking a lot of metabolic enzymes and some anti oxidants.

And progurt probiotics too.

Young living Relieve it and Pan Away applied directly to the areas of pain.

If you do those and get (assuming you eat them, I recall your diet being very good) all acidic foods out of your diet. And eat at least 55% raw, with no processed foods. Zero.
And limit all animal products to 3x a week, you will see some improvement. How much I can not say. But enough to make it well worth it..
 

blue_ladybug

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2014
70,925
9,673
113
#14
Hmmm... I've heard of Resveratrol, but never tried it. I just ordered some organic turmeric root from Puritan's. Along with Valerian root to help me (hopefully) sleep. The valerian is mixed with an order of other supplements and should be here tomorrow. I just tracked it with UPS.. lol

What is the best way to get resveratrol? If I'm not mistaken, don't Concord grapes have that in them? I LOVE grapes. :)

I eat the Activia probiotic yogurt, and sometimes drink the Dannon brand of probiotic yogurt. I do notice a difference using those, as opposed to when I don't..

No clue what astaxanthin is.. And what kind of anti-oxidants and metabolic enzymes do you recommend? And what exactly are progurt probiotics?

Right now, I take diphenhydramine to sleep. It works fairly well, but I wake up pretty groggy with it. I'm really hoping the valerian root will help. I don't like taking drugs. Even when my back was herniated, I tried to use ibuprofen instead of the Dilaudid that they gave me.. The Dilaudid didn't even begin to touch the pain.. thank goodness that's over..
 

JosephsDreams

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2015
4,313
468
83
#15
Also you should really purchase the AST Vida Defense metabolic enzymes. Its available on Amazon.
Take it before or after about a hour and a half of eating.
Three times a day, 4 capsules each time.
When you wake up before breakfast, after lunch and before bed.

Progurt probiotics are a human strain probiotic. They have by far the most CFU's. Over 1 trillion.
They have the highest absorption rate.
They use the weakest strains. Which sounds counter productive, but which strains do you think dies off first in the gut flora?


 

blue_ladybug

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2014
70,925
9,673
113
#16
I can order the probiotic from Puritan's. If I recall correctly, they have one with 2 trillion.. :)


Also you should really purchase the AST Vida Defense metabolic enzymes. Its available on Amazon.
Take it before or after about a hour and a half of eating.
Three times a day, 4 capsules each time.
When you wake up before breakfast, after lunch and before bed.

Progurt probiotics are a human strain probiotic. They have by far the most CFU's. Over 1 trillion.
They have the highest absorption rate.
They use the weakest strains. Which sounds counter productive, but which strains do you think dies off first in the gut flora?


 

JosephsDreams

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2015
4,313
468
83
#17
If you find one with 2 trillion, please let me know about it.
 

mar09

Senior Member
Sep 17, 2014
4,927
1,259
113
#18
Is it the no. of CFu's that really matters, that the more the better? The strains? How about how long the fermentation process took place?
 

JosephsDreams

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2015
4,313
468
83
#19
Mar, you hit it on the head.
All three are important. That is why I recommend the Progurt. It has strains not commonly found in may probiotics, strains that tend to be the first ones to weaken when the stomach flora is under stress.
Secondly, the process the company uses is unique and superior to most products I know of. Also, these are, as far as I know, the most bioavailable and bio compatible probitics I am aware of.
Third, the Progurt brand has the most CFU's that I have heard of. It is 1 trillion dry and 1.2 trillion if you pour one of the packet of powder they come in into about 6 ounces of distilled water and let it sit for about 15 minutes.
 

blue_ladybug

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2014
70,925
9,673
113
#20
Joseph, I checked out the progurt. They're too expensive for me, but I found one called KeyBiotics and they are currently offering a deal on them but when I checked the site again yesterday, they are sold out of EVERYTHING!! That must be a very high demand product..

Anyhoo, I did some research about how many CFU's a person who takes a probiotic every day would need, and the recommended is between 5-45 billion. Puritan's highest probiotic is 50 billion, so I'm going to order that next month. The vitamins I ordered just got here a minute ago, so now I have the valerian root, tart cherry turmeric complex and a glucosamine chondrotin supplement..

I went online today and ordered some Resveratrol, 250 mg capsules.. Those will be here week after next.

I went and looked for the one that I thought said 2 trillion, but it was 2 billion instead.. Stupid poor eyesight.. lol