Can you accept this.......

[Willie-T]

....... Or do you feel compelled to fight against it?

Those who love Jesus come from every system that exists. They were Buddhists or Mormons, Baptists or Muslims, Democrats, Republicans and many who don’t vote or are not part of any Sunday morning or religious institutions. Jesus has followers who were murderers and many who were self-righteous. Some are bankers and bookies, Americans and Iraqis, Jews and Palestinians. He has no desire to make them Christian, but He does want to join them in their transformation into sons and daughters of God, into His brothers and sisters, into His Beloved.

Does that mean, that all roads will lead to Jesus?

Not at all, Most roads don’t lead anywhere. What it does mean is that He will travel any road to find us.

 

[tourist]

Jesus was talking to a small group once and said that there were others that were not part of the fold and these He must gather in also.

 

[PrynceNY]

There is only one road to Christ. However there are many ways of life, people, cultures etc. who are lead to him. God tends to send his to children to preach the word to the lost or him personally giving them a dream or vision to gather them. Jesus also warned about many false christ so I wouldn't say various roads lead to him but all people can be lead to him by his specific road.

 

[Willie-T]

There is only one road to Christ. However there are many ways of life, people, cultures etc. who are lead to him. God tends to send his to children to preach the word to the lost or him personally giving them a dream or vision to gather them. Jesus also warned about many false christ so I wouldn't say various roads lead to him but all people can be lead to him by his specific road.

Without the intervention of a missionary, one cannot meet Christ? Did I hear you right?

 

[PrynceNY]

Without the intervention of a missionary, one cannot meet Christ? Did I hear you right?

No I said that is one of Gods ways of reaching the lost. God is merciful & patient he has multiple ways to reach people. God gives people an ample amount chances to be saved.

 

[Willie-T]

No I said that is one of Gods ways of reaching the lost. God is merciful & patient he has multiple ways to reach people. God gives people an ample amount chances to be saved.

Jus' checkin'.

 

[Galatea]

No, I can not accept this.

John 10 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which He spake unto them. Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

I AM THE DOOR: by Me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I am come that they might have life and have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth His life for the sheep.

But he that is a hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth; and the wolf catcheth them and scattereth the sheep. The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

I AM THE GOOD SHEPHERD, and know my sheep AND AM KNOWN OF MINE. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear My voice; and there shall be ONE FOLD and ONE SHEPHERD".

 

[TwoinSand]

....... Or do you feel compelled to fight against it?

Those who love Jesus come from every system that exists. They were Buddhists or Mormons, Baptists or Muslims, Democrats, Republicans and many who don’t vote or are not part of any Sunday morning or religious institutions. Jesus has followers who were murderers and many who were self-righteous. Some are bankers and bookies, Americans and Iraqis, Jews and Palestinians. He has no desire to make them Christian, but He does want to join them in their transformation into sons and daughters of God, into His brothers and sisters, into His Beloved.

Does that mean, that all roads will lead to Jesus?

Not at all, Most roads don’t lead anywhere. What it does mean is that He will travel any road to find us.

A Christian is a follower of Christ. God certainly wants people to follow Christ. Christians are the children of God. Ephesians 1; 1 John 3.

 

[JesusRules1]

The Bible says that Jesus lights every person born in to this world,which means every person has the ability to see the light,truth of Jesus,and be saved,and the darkness comprehends it not.

But the whole world could say they love Jesus,but all roads would not lead to Him,at least not in the truth,which even the new age movement believes Jesus is a great teacher in spiritual enlightenment,and an Ascended Master and Avatar.

If the whole world did love Jesus they would not all love Him as Lord and Savior,and their religious practices would hinder them from finding Him,for they are based on salvation,or spiritual enlightenment,or spiritual evolution,or whatever salvation type system they have,that will not claim that Jesus is the only way to salvation.

Some would love Jesus as a great teacher in the occult,some a good advocate of peace and love,for all would not love Him for being Lord and Savior for the majority of them would not claim that,for they look at spirituality from a different perspective.

Only if they view salvation in the right light will they be able to be led to Jesus in the right context,but will them at least loving Jesus for whatever reason give them a better advantage to accept Him in the truth.It could if they actually are interested enough about Jesus for a different reason then Lord and Savior,and come to learn about Him by checking out His life,and realizing what He is really about,like new age movement people that thought they were following Jesus according to them believing He is a good teacher in spiritual enlightenment,and then finding out it was a deception,and now realize He is Lord and Savior.

A lot of religions view Jesus as a special character promoting peace and love,or as a good teacher in morality,or the occult,so a lot will claim Christ but not for the right reason,but that is the biggest problem is that the religious practices of the world hinder them from accepting Jesus in the right way,for they view salvation from a different perspective than what Jesus taught,or they believe their God does not operate that way that a person has to provide for the salvation of them.

 

[Willie-T]

The Bible says that Jesus lights every person born in to this world,which means every person has the ability to see the light,truth of Jesus,and be saved,and the darkness comprehends it not.

But the whole world could say they love Jesus,but all roads would not lead to Him,at least not in the truth,which even the new age movement believes Jesus is a great teacher in spiritual enlightenment,and an Ascended Master and Avatar.

If the whole world did love Jesus they would not all love Him as Lord and Savior,and their religious practices would hinder them from finding Him,for they are based on salvation,or spiritual enlightenment,or spiritual evolution,or whatever salvation type system they have,that will not claim that Jesus is the only way to salvation.

Some would love Jesus as a great teacher in the occult,some a good advocate of peace and love,for all would not love Him for being Lord and Savior for the majority of them would not claim that,for they look at spirituality from a different perspective.

Only if they view salvation in the right light will they be able to be led to Jesus in the right context,but will them at least loving Jesus for whatever reason give them a better advantage to accept Him in the truth.It could if they actually are interested enough about Jesus for a different reason then Lord and Savior,and come to learn about Him by checking out His life,and realizing what He is really about,like new age movement people that thought they were following Jesus according to them believing He is a good teacher in spiritual enlightenment,and then finding out it was a deception,and now realize He is Lord and Savior.

A lot of religions view Jesus as a special character promoting peace and love,or as a good teacher in morality,or the occult,so a lot will claim Christ but not for the right reason,but that is the biggest problem is that the religious practices of the world hinder them from accepting Jesus in the right way,for they view salvation from a different perspective than what Jesus taught,or they believe their God does not operate that way that a person has to provide for the salvation of them.

Almost your whole post spoke of the reactions to Jesus of Religious Practices. And I spoke of individuals Jesus wants to have relationships with.

My premise is that Jesus does not insist you study Christianity (or become one) to know Him the way He wants to know all peoples of the world.

 

[notmyown]

Almost your whole post spoke of the reactions to Jesus of Religious Practices. And I spoke of individuals Jesus wants to have relationships with.

My premise is that Jesus does not insist you study Christianity (or become one) to know Him the way He wants to know all peoples of the world.

i'm a bit perplexed. this sounds more like The Shack than The Bible.

Christianity doesn't have to be about 'religious practices' but being in Covenant with God does have to include Christ.
otherwise, why did He come at all?

 

[FreeNChrist]

Christians are those who have been transformed into sons and daughters of God, into His brothers and sisters, into His Beloved.

 

[kaylagrl]

Almost your whole post spoke of the reactions to Jesus of Religious Practices. And I spoke of individuals Jesus wants to have relationships with.

My premise is that Jesus does not insist you study Christianity (or become one) to know Him the way He wants to know all peoples of the world.

Quote "My premise is that Jesus does not insist you study Christianity (or become one) to know Him "

Not sure Im getting what you're saying. Are you making the point that religion doesn't save you? Because if you're making it to heaven you must become a follower of Christ. And if you don't read the Word how can you know God personally? Am I missing what you're saying?

 

[Willie-T]

Quote "My premise is that Jesus does not insist you study Christianity (or become one) to know Him "

Not sure Im getting what you're saying. Are you making the point that religion doesn't save you? Because if you're making it to heaven you must become a follower of Christ. And if you don't read the Word how can you know God personally? Am I missing what you're saying?

And, are you saying that if a person has no copy of the printed Bible, they cannot have a relationship with Jesus? Did Christ initiate the institution we call Christianity and a book to have to read in order to have a relationship with Him? This is a serious question because it seems that view would exclude billions of people who have lived and died, and will, live and die without ever even hearing the word "Jesus" pronounced.

 

[BeyondET]

Luke 10:34
He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him.

 

[sevenseas]

well that's what Paul Young says

but then, he just rights fiction, doesn't he

I'm well acquainted with it now, to the point I recognized your quote right off

you should have put your source

 

[sevenseas]

No, I can not accept this.

John 10 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which He spake unto them. Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

I AM THE DOOR: by Me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I am come that they might have life and have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth His life for the sheep.

But he that is a hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth; and the wolf catcheth them and scattereth the sheep. The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

I AM THE GOOD SHEPHERD, and know my sheep AND AM KNOWN OF MINE. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear My voice; and there shall be ONE FOLD and ONE SHEPHERD".

this thread is the book/movie 'the shack' revisited

having become familiar with it now, I am even more resolute in my stand against the concepts in this work of fiction that some people seem to surmise is the gospel truth

 

[Willie-T]

Quote "My premise is that Jesus does not insist you study Christianity (or become one) to know Him "

Not sure Im getting what you're saying. Are you making the point that religion doesn't save you? Because if you're making it to heaven you must become a follower of Christ. And if you don't read the Word how can you know God personally? Am I missing what you're saying?

Isn't this about the same thing as saying "That man should not receive the same pay as me, because he did not work a full day in the orchard as I did."? "All he did was understand a need to bond with Jesus.... He didn't go through the proper procedure that we here observed."

 

[Adstar]

I feel compelled to fight against it.... There is only one way to God and that is though the LORD Jesus Christ.. That OP sounds way to ecumenical and one world relgion-ish for my liking...

 

[Willie-T]

I feel compelled to fight against it.... There is only one way to God and that is though the LORD Jesus Christ.. That OP sounds way to ecumenical and one world relgion-ish for my liking...

Have I said anything different? Did Jesus ever say we had to do anything more than believe on Him?