The Rapture of the Church
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Yeah, the only problem with your claim is that, if the church is gathered and changed into their immortal and glorified bodies when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and all of the wicked are killed, then there would be no one left in their mortal bodies to repopulate the earth during the thousand year reign of Christ.
Kind of strange how you call what God gave us through Paul "YOUR CLAIM". None of that is from me, if you have a problem with it then you have a problem with God. You don't really need to know where the people will come from who will repopulate the earth, however you do need to accept what God gave us through Paul about Jesus return to do two things, gather the saints and punish the wicked and unbelievers.
Ahwatukee
Please read and learn. I assure you if you are trying to humiliate me with your comments your wasting your time. We can have a discussion here without being sarcastic in our replies to others. You have your own opinion of the scripture just as I do. It doesn't mean we are always correct. I can be negative in some of my replies also but chose not to. My answer to your post # 127 is found in 1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say brethren that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Please read and learn. I assure you if you are trying to humiliate me with your comments your wasting your time. We can have a discussion here without being sarcastic in our replies to others. You have your own opinion of the scripture just as I do. It doesn't mean we are always correct. I can be negative in some of my replies also but chose not to. My answer to your post # 127 is found in 1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say brethren that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
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Funny how you base your doctrine on ancient dead men,then erroneously connect me alongside you, thinking you have some company in your rationale. Pretribs only learned of Darby through your extrabiblical studies. My center of study is outside of your doctrine. You are trib centered.i am not. In fact your doctrine prohibits certain areas of study. My studies allow me access to the whole bible.
I could never subscribe to your deal.(your Darby fascination)
I could never subscribe to your deal.(your Darby fascination)
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Samuel....Yes we do...in answer to your statement above in Blue...John tells us who they are in Revelation. I know you do not believe in Revelation but have yet to determine that you conform to the 'replacement theology or 'you are a preterist which is in reality is the Replacement theology on Steroids'.
John tells us the people that live through Daniel's 70th week, are the people (mortals) who will populate the world during the Millennium. These people may believe or may-not believe in Jesus Christ... It does not matter at this point. They (all of them) will have 100 years to decide if they can believe in Jesus (forever).
If they can,,, they will live for the rest of the 1000 years and then they also will live into eternity iin the new World that is coming.
If not, the White Throne Judgement will take care of them,they will find themselves neighbors of statan, the Antichrist and the False Prophet......Which do you want??????????????????
Samuel....Yes we do...in answer to your statement above in Blue...John tells us who they are in Revelation. I know you do not believe in Revelation but have yet to determine that you conform to the 'replacement theology or 'you are a preterist which is in reality is the Replacement theology on Steroids'.
John tells us the people that live through Daniel's 70th week, are the people (mortals) who will populate the world during the Millennium. These people may believe or may-not believe in Jesus Christ... It does not matter at this point. They (all of them) will have 100 years to decide if they can believe in Jesus (forever).
If they can,,, they will live for the rest of the 1000 years and then they also will live into eternity iin the new World that is coming.
If not, the White Throne Judgement will take care of them,they will find themselves neighbors of statan, the Antichrist and the False Prophet......Which do you want??????????????????
Preterism is not as commonly believed "replacement theology" - it states that God' s plan was for physical Israel to be incorporated as Israel in the body of Christ with the Gentiles brought into the covenant promises
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Paul is plainly stating that the promises to Israel are in Christ, not some dirt dwellers in the middle east looking for a physical theocratic kingdom.
The church is Israel.
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
The rejecters of Christ were cast out once and for all time:
Luk 13:28 (Young's) 'There shall be there the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth, when ye may see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the reign of God, and yourselves being cast out without.
Gal 4:30 (Young's) but what saith the Writing? 'Cast forth the maid-servant and her son, for the son of the maid-servant may not be heir with the son of the free-woman;
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Paul is plainly stating that the promises to Israel are in Christ, not some dirt dwellers in the middle east looking for a physical theocratic kingdom.
The church is Israel.
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
The rejecters of Christ were cast out once and for all time:
Luk 13:28 (Young's) 'There shall be there the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth, when ye may see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the reign of God, and yourselves being cast out without.
Gal 4:30 (Young's) but what saith the Writing? 'Cast forth the maid-servant and her son, for the son of the maid-servant may not be heir with the son of the free-woman;
Are you using the parable of ters and wheat to get this? I don't believe any longer in the rapture as taught by most. I hold firmly to the reserection and eventual instant transformation into uncuruptable body. Thing is the ters are gathered first and thrown in the fire. In another place you will look for the wicked in his place and he will be nowhere to be found. Another place mentioned how few will make it through the refinement process. Yet another place mentioned sudden distruction after they all are crying peace. When the cloud of witnesses before the throne of God where all the souls of the saints being raised in the cloud together after sudden distruction. Then a short time and boom return of Messiah with the cloud of witnesses and those who are alive on earth all 5 of them,(number drastically reduced to make my point). If you make it through the sudden distruction soon you will have the benefit of being one of the last people on the Earth. Love for and in the Kingdom without denying Messiah or the power of Scripture to make one Holy,(when applied). Remember to find rest in his Sabbath day. It is a gift to you from him. Eph
Sorry kinda drawn out however I'm new Shalom John Talmid
Sorry kinda drawn out however I'm new Shalom John Talmid
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The rapture is one of the most clear, concise doctrines in the word of God.
Ive heard the words before many times that Jesus isnt returning twice and not hiding, etc.
At the rapture, Jesus doesnt return. He simply calls His body to Himself...and then shall that wicked appear.
And no...when it happens, it definitely wont be a secret!
Ive heard the words before many times that Jesus isnt returning twice and not hiding, etc.
At the rapture, Jesus doesnt return. He simply calls His body to Himself...and then shall that wicked appear.
And no...when it happens, it definitely wont be a secret!
Amen to those words Ahwatukee! So much comfort and encouragement that is meant for the believer's benefit and blessing in these times! I'm sorry it is missed by those who don't understand we have been given His righteousness and are not guilty anymore. We are presented without spot or blemish. Therefore the sons of God / the church / the sheep / the beloved / the brethren / those in Christ are no longer under the wrath to come. Jesus paid for all God's wrath on our behalf. We have been made clean by Him not us.
After reading 1 Thess.4:13-18 and we read on to Chap.5 it talks about the day of the Lord. That is the time that brings in the Tribulation and includes the events of the second coming of Christ and the millennial kingdom on earth. That will come unexpectedly like a thief in the night. But not for us who are expecting Him to return. That's why the Bible tells us not to be uninformed about those who are asleep in Christ having died before us.
We who know Jesus have nothing to fear from God. We are His church made clean already for His return.
We don't have to miss this great expectation and can be sooo encouraged while we wait for Him to return. Why? Because we are not waiting for the judgment, or for the tribulation or for the bowl judgments. If we are still alive and remain when Jesus comes for the church., we should be waiting for Jesus the Loving Groom to come get us outa here. And we can tell others with great excitement and joy that they too can look for His appearing to come for His beloved bride. We will be caught up together with those who died before us to meet the Lord in the air.
Also, we will be returning with Him when He comes back the 2nd time. There is a whole lot of exciting things to look forward to in these coming days. Knowing His perfect gracious love will cast out all fear. Thanks for posting Ahwatukee !
