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South_FLA

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JosephsDreams

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You are right. We naturally have fear of the unkown. But what's the worst thing that could happen?

To live is Christ. To die is gain.

You are still alive. That means something. There is still hope for healing.
It is natural but also unnatural, if you get my drift.
 

JosephsDreams

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Gos can heal anyone, anytime, any disease for any reason He wants. And He is not obligated to explain Himself.

Many of us have seen it.

Saying that, many of you are sick because you break Gods natural laws and then are startled when sickness swoops down on you.

I said many of you. Most of you in fact (who are ill). Not all. Some of you are sick because of your parents.

Actually we are all sick because of our ancestors. ..
 

Desertsrose

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Gos can heal anyone, anytime, any disease for any reason He wants. And He is not obligated to explain Himself.

Many of us have seen it.

Saying that, many of you are sick because you break Gods natural laws and then are startled when sickness swoops down on you.

I said many of you. Most of you in fact (who are ill). Not all. Some of you are sick because of your parents.

Actually we are all sick because of our ancestors. ..

Hi Joseph,

There's a lot of wrong teachings out there and this is one of them.

I was a part of the
Charismatic churches and there's a lot of great things I can say about them, but this one of the teachings I was taught there and like the good little Berean that I am, I looked up scriptures to find out if that teaching was accurate because it didn't sound like God.

His character is to discipline out of love and punish the hardened sinner and not the children for the parents sake. Each one of us is responsible for his own sin.

John 9:1-3

As He passed by, He saw a man blind from birth. And His disciples asked Him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?” Jesus answered, “It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him.

There's another scripture in Ezekiel. I think it's chapter 18, but I have to go and peel some potatoes. :) I'll post it later unless someone else wants to find it and post it for you.
 

blue_ladybug

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Take it easy, woman!! You have sciatica!! If only I could take that agony away, I would.. But I do pray God removes it from you..because that is agony that I wouldn't want for anyone..
 
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Jesus didn't heal everyone.

There's the pool of Bethesda incident. There was a multitude gathered and Jesus healed only one person.

Jesus didn't heal the man who was placed at the temple every day to beg. He was the lame man that Peter and John healed later.

Timothy had frequent illnesses and stomach trouble. God didn't heal him. Paul tells him to take a little wine for his stomach and his frequent illnesses.

As blue mentioned we have Paul's thorn in the side. Jesus said no - his grace is sufficient.

Another time Paul had severe eye trouble. The Galatians were willing to give him one of their own eyes. So Paul must not have been able to see very well or some disease had attacked it.

Paul, during one of his missionary trips drops Trophimus off at Miletus because he was sick.

I believe in healing and have longed for it. Who wouldn't want to be healed when they deal with pain every day of their life?

We all who love God and are His - have faith. Even if our faith was as small as a mustard seed, it's
enough faith to be healed. But many leave their prayer closet without a healing.

There's a group of people who will condemn you because you're not healed. You don't have enough faith. There's sin in your life. You were involved in the occult and you haven't repented of it so you're cursed. The list goes on and on as to why a person isn't healed.

They'd probably tell the apostle Paul that he didn't have enough faith to be healed. And in so doing, they would be judging God. It's God who said no.

So all of you who are those that might tend to be this way to judge others who aren't healed. Please stop. The condemnation reaped upon us is too much to bear. It's not our fault we're not healed.

And how many of you who point the finger at others - do you have some type of malady that your not healed of? Arthritis? Do you wear glasses? A hearing aid possibly? Or maybe you suffer with allergies? Osteoporosis?

Well the list could go on and on, but I'm guessing you see the point I'm making. Let's move out in love and truly love one another instead of judging one another.


There is not one scripture anywhere where Jesus did not heal any one coming to Him.

Jesus healed "all" that came to Him. Jesus when He went to the pool of Bethesda asked the guy who had been there for 38 years if he wanted to be made whole. If that man didn't - Jesus wouldn't of healed him.

People confuse Jesus healing all that came to Him with the fact that there were sick people everywhere and those that didn't come to Him didn't get healed - just like there is today.

He healed those that 'came to Him in faith" and sometimes He healed others by the gifts of the Spirit in operation and they didn't need any faith.

Jesus never said to anyone: "No, I can't heal you because God is teaching you something."

Jesus never said to anyone: "No, I can't heal you because you have sin in your life."

Jesus never said to anyone: " No, I can't heal you because it is not the will of the Father."

Jesus did tell others that they obtained healing and other things because of their faith and that some didn't receive anything or much because of their unbelief.

The opposition that people come against others because of a lack of faith is legitimate. I often can see in my life where I simply don't have the faith for some things. I don't blame others because of it.

Can you imagine the believer of today if they heard Jesus tell them that it was because of their unbelief that a person didn't get healed?

I can just see them complaining about what Jesus said.." He said that it was our unbelief that caused us not to see that healing". How cruel of Jesus to speak like that. And yet - the truth is Jesus did say that it was because of their unbelief that healing didn't manifest in some of the disciples cases.

It is true that some have not been loving in the way that they have tried to get people to believe in what Christ has done and said but to use it as an excuse to blame others because we lack faith is not wise.

I often see that I don't have the faith that is needed in some situations but I don't see the need to blame others for my lack of faith but instead I believe I need to look to Jesus who is the author and finisher of faith for what I need.

I agree that we are not to judge one another but to bear the burden with others in the faith that they do have. The Lord will meet us where we are at but it is without a doubt God's will for us to be well just like any other morally good parent would be.

The will of the Father was manifested in Jesus while He was on this earth and it is His Father's will that all that come to Him in faith be made whole. Of that - there is no scriptural doubt no matter how much supposedly theologians try to humanize the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ and water it down in order to fit what our experiences are telling us.

We don't live by our experiences - we live by the word of God coming from the mouth of our loving Father and His express nature was manifested in Jesus while He was on this earth.
 

G00WZ

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People wonder why they don't get healed.. reason why most of the time is they cry out to God asking for healing yet they are not walking in who they are, not knowing their identity in Christ, not knowing that they need to be renewing their minds to the new man they are supposed to be in him... most people are dead in Christ instead of being alive to and in Christ.. when you do this you get healing and all of the promises of God activated. Most Christians function in the wrong mindset and the wrong identity.. Your healing was paid for at the whipping post and God is not going to give you something he has already given you.. its all in that new identity/that new name/ that new man... just like i said yesterday on someones post most Christians know how to die in Christ but don't know how to live in him.... I am a living testimony of everything i just said because i had to learn the truth, and once i got it, and started walking in it i started seeing results.. there are no
shortcuts or magic words... its a way of life and new mindset of renewing the mind to the truth... you have to see yourself the way God sees you and agree to this new identity.. God wants us to be secure in him and in who we are. Jesus said it best "without me you can do nothing".. think about it.
 
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John 9:3-4 is a perfect example of the translators putting punctuation marks in the place that they wanted it in order to show a bias they had when interpreting the scripture. In the original Greek - there were no punctuation marks. Also they put in their own words - "it was" and "that" and again "it was".

John 9:3-4 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus answered, "It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] "We must work the works of Him who sent Me as long as it is day; night is coming when no one can work.

So, let's read it without what man has added to the text and without the period.

"Jesus answered, neither this man sinned, nor his parents; but so that the works of God might be displayed in him we must work the works of Him who sent Me as long as it is day; night is coming when no one can work. "

This changes the meaning of this scripture. The translators thought that the sickness was there so that God could be glorified but in reality Jesus said that "He must work the works of Him who sent Me as long as it is still day." Jesus then proceeded to heal the man. The works of God are to heal those that are sick and broken-hearted.

Jesus was simply saying that neither this man sinned nor his parents but Jesus must work the works of God while He was there and the work of God was to make this man whole. It is the will of God for all of us to be well. Not all of us will experience this for various reasons but it doesn't not change the heart and will of our loving Father. It is the will of the Father that all men come to repentance and believe the gospel of His Son - but sadly not all do.
 
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The first recorded instance of Jesus saying, “Your faith has made you well” is found in Matthew 9:22 (ESV) where Jesus heals the woman with the issue of blood. The KJV translates Jesus’ words as “Thy faith hath made thee whole,” and the NIV says, “Your faith has healed you.” The same incident is also recorded in Mark 5:34, where Jesus says, “Daughter, your faith has made you well; go in peace, and be healed of your disease” (ESV).

Jesus also says, “Your faith has made you well,” to the ten lepers (Luke 17:19) and a blind beggar (Luke 18:42). Other times Jesus links faith and healing without using the exact words, “Your faith has made you well,” such as in Matthew 8:13 and 15:28.

The healing that these people experienced is expressed, in Greek, by a form of the word sozo, which means “to preserve, rescue, save from death, or keep alive.” Sometimes, sozo refers to spiritual salvation, which is also linked to a person’s faith. For example, when the penitent prostitute washed Jesus’ feet with her tears, He told her much the same thing: “Your faith has saved you” (Luke 7:50; for other examples, see Mark 10:52 and Luke 17:19). When Jesus spoke of the faith of the woman with the issue of blood in Matthew 9, His healing was very likely more than physical; it was a spiritual healing as well, as she is told to “go in peace” (Mark 5:34).

When Jesus said to certain people, “Your faith has made you well,” He was saying that their faith (their confidence in Him) had been the means of their restoration. The power of Christ was what effected the cure, but His power was applied in connection with their faith. Just as the faith of some enabled them to receive healing, so healing was sometimes stymied by a lack of faith (see Matthew 13:58). In the same way, salvation comes to a sinner through faith. Everyone who is saved must believe, but it is the power of Christ that saves, not the power of faith. Faith is only the instrument, not the power itself.

In other words, the value of one’s faith does not come from the one who expresses it but from the object in which it rests (Mark 10:52; 11:22). Ultimately, healing is not contingent upon the quality of one’s faith, but upon the Healer. It was through Christ that the woman in Matthew 9 was able to receive a bodily peace as well as a spiritual peace.

We must recognize that Jesus did not indiscriminately heal all the people all of the time. For example, in the scene of the disabled man at the pool of Bethesda where multitudes gathered to be healed, Jesus chose only one man to heal (John 5:1–11), and his is an interesting case. Jesus asked the man if he wanted to be made well. His answer was steeped in superstition: there was no one to carry him to the pool, and he wasn’t fast enough to get into the water at the right time. This confused and needy man was healed by God’s grace. He had no faith in Jesus; he didn’t even know it was Jesus who had healed him until later (John 5:12–13).

Another example of someone who was healed before faith is the man born blind in John 9. He did not ask to be healed, but from many others, he was chosen to be healed—another example of God’s grace. In the case of the man born blind and in the case of the man at the pool, Jesus dealt with their physical problems separately from dealing with their spiritual need—the man in John 9 later comes to a full realization of who Jesus is and exercises faith in Him (verse 38). Jesus’ healing of these men was not about their faith as much as it was about His will.

Everyone whom Jesus willed to be healed was healed. Sometimes He healed those who expressed their faith in Him, and He made a point of emphasizing the condition of their heart: “Your faith has made you well.” Other times, in His great mercy, He healed those who had no faith and later drew them to Himself.
 

tourist

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Stop comparing yourself to other people. Unless God tells you "no" himself, you have no business trying to assume what God can't do for you.
God will certainly heal everyone that is saved but it's obviously to me that there are many times where the healing will be in our resurrected bodies and not while we are alive on earth. It's not about lack of faith either, it's about God's will and desire being fulfilled at the proper time.
 
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Many times we have faith in what "we are doing". This is not the same as having faith in the Healer Himself.

We can have faith in our "work of confession" which again is not real faith based on the Healer Himself. Or if we can get so many others to pray - then we can get healing as if we need to persuade the Lord to heal us by the more we get to pray - the more He will do it.

One person believes that if they "confess" it enough times - this will cause it to manifest but this is not biblical faith in Christ. It is a belief system based on "themselves and what they do."

They have their faith in their own works of confessing things instead of the grace that is in Christ Himself and in what He has already done. Others whose faith is in what Christ has done are confessing that Jesus is their Healer.

Outwardly both people look as if they are confessing the same thing but their inner motives and belief system are different. One brings the manifestation of the grace of Christ in our lives - the other one doesn't.

An example is the woman with the issue of blood. The scripture says "When she had heard of Jesus - she was saying to herself - If I can touch the helm of His garment - I will be made whole". Jesus had nothing to do with her healing - she drew healing life out of Jesus and He wasn't even aware of it until she had received it. Her faith which was completely based on Him alone activated the truth that was in Him.
 

JosephsDreams

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Hi Joseph,

There's a lot of wrong teachings out there and this is one of them.

I was a part of the
Charismatic churches and there's a lot of great things I can say about them, but this one of the teachings I was taught there and like the good little Berean that I am, I looked up scriptures to find out if that teaching was accurate because it didn't sound like God.

His character is to discipline out of love and punish the hardened sinner and not the children for the parents sake. Each one of us is responsible for his own sin.

John 9:1-3

As He passed by, He saw a man blind from birth. And His disciples asked Him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?” Jesus answered, “It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him.

There's another scripture in Ezekiel. I think it's chapter 18, but I have to go and peel some potatoes. :) I'll post it later unless someone else wants to find it and post it for you.
You and Blue completely missed my point.
I was talking about your parents passing down compromised DNA from the semen and in the womb.
 

blue_ladybug

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Where do you think I got my bad back, bad knees, bad hips and bad heart from? LOL.. And I didn't miss your point. I just didn't respond.. :)


You and Blue completely missed my point.
I was talking about your parents passing down compromised DNA from the semen and in the womb.
 

Desertsrose

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Take it easy, woman!! You have sciatica!! If only I could take that agony away, I would.. But I do pray God removes it from you..because that is agony that I wouldn't want for anyone..
​LOL!!!

Yeah, it's pretty bad. :( You're a sweetheart, thanks for that! I'm praying for you as well! I wish I could take yours away as well.
 

blue_ladybug

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Compromised DNA has been passed down since Adam and Eve. If they hadn't sinned, we'd all be healthy, walking around nekkid and eating berries and fruit.. lol


You and Blue completely missed my point.
I was talking about your parents passing down compromised DNA from the semen and in the womb.
 

JosephsDreams

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Compromised DNA has been passed down since Adam and Eve. If they hadn't sinned, we'd all be healthy, walking around nekkid and eating berries and fruit.. lol
Blue, your tuning in. Radar vibes.
 

JosephsDreams

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Seriously, the tissue quality of our parents can have a huge, that's yuugh for us NY'ers. impact on the children's health, and not always in ways we can pinpoint or predict.
 

Desertsrose

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You and Blue completely missed my point.
I was talking about your parents passing down compromised DNA from the semen and in the womb.

Sorry Joseph, I did
misunderstand. That is one of the things they bring up though. (Charismatics)

They claim you can be under a curse because of your parents sin and that's why you're not healed. I thought that's what you were saying - so sorry about that.

And yes, I would agree with you. :)