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South_FLA

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God will certainly heal everyone that is saved but it's obviously to me that there are many times where the healing will be in our resurrected bodies and not while we are alive on earth. It's not about lack of faith either, it's about God's will and desire being fulfilled at the proper time.
Why is that obvious to you? I understand that a lot of people have to wait a long time to be healed, I've had my illness for well over a year already. And people like blue, who have been sick with something for decades. But the truth is God promised healing for everyone.

CHAPTER THREE - IS IT GOD'S WILL TO HEAL YOU?

Saying to yourself "God won't heal me, I have to die this way" is unscriptural.

If God has not said to you "I will not heal you" then you have no reason to think you shouldn't be healed.
 
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South_FLA

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God will certainly heal everyone that is saved but it's obviously to me that there are many times where the healing will be in our resurrected bodies and not while we are alive on earth. It's not about lack of faith either, it's about God's will and desire being fulfilled at the proper time.
Honestly this whole thing is a touchy subject. Because there are times when people really do die in their sicknesses. But who am I to go against what God said in scripture? I'm not gonna let outside instances ruin my faith. This is what I was talking about when i said don't compare yourself with other (sick) people. God promised healing in his word and I'm gonna stick with what he said.
 
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Interesting testimonial my old Pastor shared some years back.
He was on a mission trip in So Africa talking with a Witch doctor. As he left the tent he felt a sharp pain in his back.
Two weeks later a spiritual friend of his came over and mentioned a spiritual spear in the pastors back.

Months later I shared this testimonial with a stranger online. She mentioned growing up in So Africa. She mentioned Zumba tribes using spiritual spears as weapons. She said the Witch doctors out there make big money for healings that never happen. But the Christians in So Africa do healings all the time through Jesus. :cool:
 

South_FLA

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Interesting testimonial my old Pastor shared some years back.
He was on a mission trip in So Africa talking with a Witch doctor. As he left the tent he felt a sharp pain in his back.
Two weeks later a spiritual friend of his came over and mentioned a spiritual spear in the pastors back.

Months later I shared this testimonial with a stranger online. She mentioned growing up in So Africa. She mentioned Zumba tribes using spiritual spears as weapons. She said the Witch doctors out there make big money for healings that never happen. But the Christians in So Africa do healings all the time through Jesus. :cool:
Did your pastor get relieved of the spiritual spear in his back?
 

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Did your pastor get rid of the spiritual spear in his back?
He didn't go into detail on that. He also did not mention if he told his friend about the pain before he came over.
It sounded like his friend came over just to visit. When the Pastor opened the door. His friend immediately mentioned to the pastor as having this spiritual spear in his back.
 

South_FLA

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He didn't go into detail on that. He also did not mention if he told his friend about the pain before he came over.
It sounded like his friend came over just to visit. When the Pastor opened the door. His friend immediately mentioned to the pastor as having this spiritual spear in his back.
When talking about the So Africa healings through Jesus, did he mention what kind of sicknesses people had?
 
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Our Father is even more wanting for His children to be well then we are. Would we want our own children to be sick to teach them something? Would we put a sickness on our own children? No, a thousand times No. Our Father loves us more then our mere human love does but He operates from different perspectives and principals then we do on this earth.

.........healing is definitely in the true gospel message.....as can be seen when Paul preached the gospel in Lystra. in Acts 14.

Acts 14:7-10 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] and there they continued to preach the gospel.

[SUP]8 [/SUP] At Lystra a man was sitting who had no strength in his feet, lame from his mother's womb, who had never walked.

[SUP]9 [/SUP] This man was listening to Paul as he spoke, who, when he had fixed his gaze on him and had seen that he had faith to be made well,

[SUP]10 [/SUP] said with a loud voice, "Stand upright on your feet." And he leaped up and began to walk.

Paul was preaching the GOSPEL.... the man lame was listening to Paul and then he had faith to be made whole...where did this man get faith to be made whole in his body?

Romans 10:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

The man that was lame from birth heard in the preaching of the gospel of the grace of Christ that he could be made whole. He believed...Paul saw it in him and encouraged him to act on his faith.

Healing is a part of the gospel of the grace of Christ as the forgiveness of sins is.


Don't let anyone rob you of what Christ has done for us by those that try to show with their "superior knowledge" that healing is metaphorically speaking only in scripture. We can make the scriptures say whatever we want by using our own human reasonings to dismiss the things that our unbelief demands of others because of our own personal experiences.
 

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Our Father is even more wanting for His children to be well then we are. Would we want our own children to be sick to teach them something? Would we put a sickness on our own children? No, a thousand times No. Our Father loves us more then our mere human love does but He operates from different perspectives and principals then we do on this earth.

.........healing is definitely in the true gospel message.....as can be seen when Paul preached the gospel in Lystra. in Acts 14.

Acts 14:7-10 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] and there they continued to preach the gospel.

[SUP]8 [/SUP] At Lystra a man was sitting who had no strength in his feet, lame from his mother's womb, who had never walked.

[SUP]9 [/SUP] This man was listening to Paul as he spoke, who, when he had fixed his gaze on him and had seen that he had faith to be made well,

[SUP]10 [/SUP] said with a loud voice, "Stand upright on your feet." And he leaped up and began to walk.

Paul was preaching the GOSPEL.... the man lame was listening to Paul and then he had faith to be made whole...where did this man get faith to be made whole in his body?

Romans 10:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

The man that was lame from birth heard in the preaching of the gospel of the grace of Christ that he could be made whole. He believed...Paul saw it in him and encouraged him to act on his faith.

Healing is a part of the gospel of the grace of Christ as the forgiveness of sins is.


Don't let anyone rob you of what Christ has done for us by those that try to show with their "superior knowledge" that healing is metaphorically speaking only in scripture. We can make the scriptures say whatever we want by using our own human reasonings to dismiss the things that our unbelief demands of others because of our own personal experiences.
I'm so glad you made posts on here Grace, not only are you helping me understand things better but you do a way better job explaining this whole thing to everyone else! ;)
 
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I'm so glad you made posts on here Grace, not only are you helping me understand things better but you do a way better job explaining this whole thing to everyone else! ;)


Thank you but sometimes those that are suffering from a sickness do have a legitimate case against some fellow believers that do look down on them because they are sick. They do say things like - "You must have sin in your life" and treat them as 2nd class believers. This is not bearing their burdens with them. We should be willing to go and walk with them with the faith that they have because that is what the Father does.

Sometimes bitterness and malice can take over in us that have been offended by the behavior of others in this area and this can defile others around us too. Heb. 12:15

There are lot's of instances where I don't have the faith that I see in a promise and my Father meets me and walks with me where I am. He doesn't chastise me for where I am. He walks with me and as I go He reveals more of His Son to me so that I can grow in the grace and knowledge of Him.

There is not one single place where Jesus turned healing away from anyone that came to Him. Jesus said that "Healing is the children's bread."

So, let's walk with our fellow brethren where they are at and ask the Lord for the wisdom we need to help them with the faith that they do have in the situation they are in and thus fulfill the true law of Christ.
 
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God is ALWAYS healing. He is like ALWAYS ON internet. The only thing that rejects that thought is our selves, our minds, our poor connection, our blackout periods.

"You are healed" vs. "I am not healed"

Faith vs. observation.

There was a drought. Everything that made the land green had withered and died. Then one day came rain, but the land did not become green overnight. Needless to say, underneath that soil - healing had occurred. Rain had come, and the land was healed. But you could not observe it. However the farmer had faith, he saw that the land was green, even when it was not.
 

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God is ALWAYS healing. He is like ALWAYS ON internet. The only thing that rejects that thought is our selves, our minds, our poor connection, our blackout periods.

"You are healed" vs. "I am not healed"

Faith vs. observation.

There was a drought. Everything that made the land green had withered and died. Then one day came rain, but the land did not become green overnight. Needless to say, underneath that soil - healing had occurred. Rain had come, and the land was healed. But you could not observe it. However the farmer had faith, he saw that the land was green, even when it was not.
Right! To think you can't be healed of something is carnally minded. I saw a woman get up and walk after being in wheelchair for years and years. She was healed with the power of God, some Christians laid their hands on her. She prayed for healing for 5 years and finally got it.
 
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I think all healing occurs directly from God through ourselves. But others can open us up to that healing, and that is how it is possible to heal each other, not as a direct force of that healing, but by opening each other up to healing. The only thing we have as humans in the form of healing, is healing each others minds, because it is the mind which comes to be the anti-. It is the mind which resists. And when we may discuss who is right or argue with each other, we are merely being anti- each other. Maybe God comes through our own minds sometimes (but possibly always if we surrender our self in the process) that we might influence the mind of another to be receptive to God.

Right! To think you can't be healed of something is carnally minded. I saw a woman get up and walk after being in wheelchair for years and years. She was healed with the power of God, some Christians laid their hands on her. She prayed for healing for 5 years and finally got it.
 

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I've been praying for it for nearly half a century, and still DON'T have it. To be honest, I think I would feel strange NOT having seizures anymore.. They've been part of who I am for almost my entire life.. But I can't say I'd miss them because I wouldn't..lol




Right! To think you can't be healed of something is carnally minded. I saw a woman get up and walk after being in wheelchair for years and years. She was healed with the power of God, some Christians laid their hands on her. She prayed for healing for 5 years and finally got it.
 

South_FLA

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I think all healing occurs directly from God through ourselves. But others can open us up to that healing, and that is how it is possible to heal each other, not as a direct force of that healing, but by opening each other up to healing. The only thing we have as humans in the form of healing, is healing each others minds, because it is the mind which comes to be the anti-. It is the mind which resists. And when we may discuss who is right or argue with each other, we are merely being anti- each other. Maybe God comes through our own minds sometimes (but possibly always if we surrender our self in the process) that we might influence the mind of another to be receptive to God.
That's true some people can't comprehend being healed because they've had some illness for so long and they see others suffering from illnesses and it just seems like God doesn't want to heal but that is not what God said in his word. Clearly as Grace, Tinkerbell and others have described God is in the COMPLETE healing business, not semi!
 

South_FLA

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I've been praying for it for nearly half a century, and still DON'T have it. To be honest, I think I would feel strange NOT having seizures anymore.. They've been part of who I am for almost my entire life.. But I can't say I'd miss them because I wouldn't..lol




Your situation is pretty unique. How often do you get one?
 

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From desiringgod.org


Maybe you have longed for healing, for a job, for a baby, or for a wife. You have faithfully and earnestly prayed for weeks and months — even years. But you are still sick, still unemployed, still childless, or still single.

And you are disappointed. In fact, you are disappointed by God. But God’s word calls us to live by faith. And faith means trusting all that God promises to be for us in Christ Jesus.

Psalm 34:10, “The young lions suffer want and hunger; but those who seek the Lord lack no good thing.” This promise is for those who seek the Lord — those who are saved by faith in Christ and who are seeking to know him more.

“God promises that those who seek him will lack no good thing. If something is good, God will give it to you.”


What Makes Something Good?

So what does God mean when he promises we will lack no good thing?

Healing can be good, but so can lack of healing.

If God is our greatest good, then what makes something good is whether it brings us more of God. So being healed of a sickness can be good because it can bring us more of God by showing us his power, mercy, and goodness. But not being healed can also be good since it, too, can bring us more of God by drawing us even closer to him.

Why Am I Disappointed?

When I feel disappointed by God, it’s because at that moment there’s something I’m longing for more than him, whether it be healing, employment, a child, a wife. As good as healing, employment, children, and marriage might be, none of them will come close to satisfying me as much as God himself.

So when I’m disappointed by God, there’s a problem with my faith. I’m not trusting that God himself is who he says he is for me in Jesus. I’m not trusting in him as my all-satisfying treasure.

So what can I do? Here are eight steps I have personally found helpful in disappointment.

Come to Jesus Christ with your disappointment, trusting him to meet you and change your heart (Psalm 40:1–3).
Confess that you are longing for something else more than him. Ask him to forgive you through the cross. Receive assurance of complete forgiveness (1 John 1:9).
Plead for the work of the Spirit to change your heart, strengthen your faith, and enable you once again to experience Jesus Christ as your all-satisfying treasure (John 6:35).
Since the Spirit does his work through the word, find Scriptures describing God’s love, power, and majesty, and promises concerning God as your all-satisfying treasure. Pray earnestly over these Scriptures. Fight to trust them (Galatians 3:5).
Continue praying over and trusting these Scriptures until you feel the Spirit changing your heart, and you once again experience Jesus Christ as your all-satisfying treasure (1 Peter 1:8).
Pray over God’s promise that he will ordain every trial to bring you even more heart-satisfaction in him (2 Corinthians 4:17). Do this until the Spirit strengthens your faith that whatever you lack will bring you even more of God.
Also pray over God’s promise that he will take care of everything else you need (health, work, money) in such a way that it will bring you even more of him (Philippians 4:13, 19; Matthew 6:33).
Continue to pray for the other things you desire (healing, employment, children, marriage), but fight to keep trusting in Jesus as your all-satisfying treasure (Psalm 43:4).
 

blue_ladybug

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Tinker, I don't quite understand how a LACK of healing is a good thing.. Especially if those who pray and pray for it, don't receive it, and that just drives them further away from God. It's kind of a two-edged sword, IMO.
 

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Tinker, I don't quite understand how a LACK of healing is a good thing.. Especially if those who pray and pray for it, don't receive it, and that just drives them further away from God. It's kind of a two-edged sword, IMO.
“But he said to me, ‘My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.’ Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me” (2 Corinthians 12:9).

So if God chooses not to heal me, it’s because sickness will bring me even more of his all-satisfying presence than healing would have brought me. In that case, even though I’m lacking healing, I’m not lacking any good thing, because the sickness is how I will experience the most joy in God. Since God is my all-satisfying treasure, then what makes something good is whether it brings me more of God.

So when God promises that we will lack no good thing, he means we will lack nothing that would bring us more of God. We will have absolutely everything that will bring us more of God. So if you lack healing, or a job, or children, or a wife, you are not lacking any good thing because God has ordained your lack to bring you more of himself.

You are not certain if God will still heal you because you have been praying for so long. Then exercise your faith, and don't lose hope because God promised that you will lack no good thing. Trust in God's goodness and His perfect will despite the uncertainty because that is what faith is for.