Not By Works

JIMBO43 · Mar 18, 2017

so you aknoledge that there is a final reward..but you dont reconise its salvation even tho ive shown you at least 10 times according to the truth in the bible that it is..

You know dc there a few things we disagree upon but this disagreement is so far from the truth it will lead many to take there salvation for granted even you..

You need to know that by changing peoples minds to suit this doctrin of yours means you have christians following you and the one who thought he could deny God (satan.) to deny this scripture is from the pits of hell.. i really do feal a great loss about this. but theres nothing i can do other than state Gods truth..

1 Peter 1:5Amplified Bible (AMP)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]who are being protected and shielded by the power of God through your faith for salvation that is ready to be revealed [for you] in the last time.

JIMBO43 · Mar 18, 2017

[h=1]Nehemiah 6The Message (MSG)[/h] “I’m doing a great work; I can’t come down. Why should the work come to a standstill just so I can come down to see you?”

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Four times they sent this message and four times I gave them my answer.

PeterJens · Mar 18, 2017

dcontroversal said:

In such a few short words, you condemn a whole theological view without being specific as
not the gospel and dooming people to hell.

Now this is very condemning and divisive. It is divisive because you claim to be a christian
and yet are disowning bible believing people who follow Gods word.

Now people in sin, or preaching compromise on the fundamentals of the faith, ok, but this
is just how you apply faith and trust and follow. Such emphasises have in the past been
colours of the wider spread of evangelical communion. But you wish to break this up.

By what authority do you do this? Is it just by putting words like imputed before righteousness
or love or anything good written about believers, because really they are still unresolved
stinking sinners? Because it strikes me this is exactly what you guys are doing, which is
just divisive heresy. And we know this is so because you desire division and explusion of
brethren from fellowships just based on these views, and not sin or rebellion against the
Lord.

And your scriptures only word by adding to scripture, changing words and meaning,
which again is typical of heretics. Just read the JW bible or mormon bible.

Now it is fine to go off and form your own group, but do not claim you follow the
same theology that is 2,000 years old. It just does not wash. You even use
imputed ideas invented in the reformation.

dcontroversal · Mar 18, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

Salvation is not the final reward....the reward is based upon works that come after salvation....Not that difficult to understand.....

And you have shown me nothing about salvation....it is a current possession at the moment of belief.....

VERB TENSE and CONTEXT which you fail to acknowledge because it refutes your fallacy show salvation as a present continuing result from a past complete action........

the culmination of our salvation is a glorified body at the end of the age........

RIGHT NOW are we the children of GOD, but it does not yet appear what we shall be.<---wake up to the truth

dcontroversal · Mar 18, 2017

PeterJens said:

In such a few short words, you condemn a whole theological view without being specific as
not the gospel and dooming people to hell.

Now this is very condemning and divisive. It is divisive because you claim to be a christian
and yet are disowning bible believing people who follow Gods word.

Now people in sin, or preaching compromise on the fundamentals of the faith, ok, but this
is just how you apply faith and trust and follow. Such emphasises have in the past been
colours of the wider spread of evangelical communion. But you wish to break this up.

By what authority do you do this? Is it just by putting words like imputed before righteousness
or love or anything good written about believers, because really they are still unresolved
stinking sinners? Because it strikes me this is exactly what you guys are doing, which is
just divisive heresy. And we know this is so because you desire division and explusion of
brethren from fellowships just based on these views, and not sin or rebellion against the
Lord.

And your scriptures only word by adding to scripture, changing words and meaning,
which again is typical of heretics. Just read the JW bible or mormon bible.

Now it is fine to go off and form your own group, but do not claim you follow the
same theology that is 2,000 years old. It just does not wash. You even use
imputed ideas invented in the reformation.

Blah blah blah.....look pal...any religion that teaches a false works/obedience based salvation is heretical.....the bible is clear...It is not based upon works or religious obedience...it is based upon faith into the finished work of Christ......!

SO.....your last line is as inflammatory as my own post......HC

mailmandan · Mar 18, 2017

dcontroversal said:

I often hear works-salvationists attempt to "dissect" works of obedience/good works from the moral aspect of the law and erroneously teach that we are saved by "these" works and just not "those" works. It's still salvation by works no matter how hard they try to sugar coat it.

dcontroversal · Mar 18, 2017

mailmandan said:

I hear ya......0ne work or fifty million....works based salvation is false.....end of story.....

Paul called everyone who believes this fools....and bewitched......having begun in FAITH are you now made perfect/complete by the flesh (works)........

JIMBO43 · Mar 18, 2017

DiscipleDave said:

Well said and may i thank you for leading me to hope for salvation,, you are truly blessed and im so thankfull for your truth from God,, That you have most undoubtingly studied hard and search for truth with an open heart to recieve this knowledge.. to which i can only say im truly grateful for what the lord God can do in peoples lifes,,amen bro and please take my sincere apolagies for me not understanding your knowledge to begin with...

JIMBO43 · Mar 18, 2017

I cant tell you the transformation i have expericaned since hoping for salvation from about 3 weeks ago,, i have truly been washed and set free..i feel free as a bird and its just getting better and better.. so much so that i have found strenght to walk away from trouble too..

Thankyou kindly

JIMBO43 · Mar 18, 2017

Magenta said:

Which i know the ressurection is the day of redemtion for all..............where some will not be judged and recieve there reward.. which is what im hoping for you

kstout6 · Mar 18, 2017

I think that there is a lot of confusion on faith and works means. Let me elaborate:
At the beginning of this thread, it was stated faith, not works grants salvation. Paul also stated:

Faith without works is DEAD.

What he meant was that works is a fundamental part of faith. It isn't the only thing necessary. There is more to it that that! Faith is love and hope that God will deliver us into salvation by what we do. So, in a word, yes, we need faith to be saved. But to obtain faith, we need to show our faith by our works, hoping that God will answer us, guide us, and that what we do here, will be rewarded justly in the next life.

JIMBO43 · Mar 18, 2017

The true word of God whether paul spoke it or anyone else...

God's Righteous Judgment
…4Or do you disregard the riches of His kindness, tolerance, and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you to repentance? 5But because of your hard and unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of wrath, when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed. 6God “will repay each one according to his deeds.”…

dcontroversal · Mar 18, 2017

kstout6 said:

James was the one who said that.....and there is no confusion....

Before God Paul said a man is justified by faith void of works
Before MEN James said our faith is seen (justified)by our works

Before GOD<---FAITH
BEFORE MEN<--WORKS

Not difficult at all.....rather simple at the end of the day.....

JIMBO43 · Mar 18, 2017

PeterJens said:

In such a few short words, you condemn a whole theological view without being specific as
not the gospel and dooming people to hell.

Now this is very condemning and divisive. It is divisive because you claim to be a christian
and yet are disowning bible believing people who follow Gods word.

Now people in sin, or preaching compromise on the fundamentals of the faith, ok, but this
is just how you apply faith and trust and follow. Such emphasises have in the past been
colours of the wider spread of evangelical communion. But you wish to break this up.

By what authority do you do this? Is it just by putting words like imputed before righteousness
or love or anything good written about believers, because really they are still unresolved
stinking sinners? Because it strikes me this is exactly what you guys are doing, which is
just divisive heresy. And we know this is so because you desire division and explusion of
brethren from fellowships just based on these views, and not sin or rebellion against the
Lord.

And your scriptures only word by adding to scripture, changing words and meaning,
which again is typical of heretics. Just read the JW bible or mormon bible.

Now it is fine to go off and form your own group, but do not claim you follow the
same theology that is 2,000 years old. It just does not wash. You even use
imputed ideas invented in the reformation.

all ya doing is feeding his mockery... if i was you i would suggest you walk away.. maybe hes not ready for the milk... cause i think he had the meat of the word first...he doesnt understand milk... he mocks it..

dcontroversal · Mar 18, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

Yeah....go read where he said the JESUS will reference him by his CC name and judge us according to this teaching and where he claims to be a prophet ..........

Good luck.....you ever hear of a guy called Sun Myung Moon<----He has followers as well......

dcontroversal · Mar 18, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

HAHAHHAHAHHHAHHAHHA this is rich coming from you......

garee · Mar 18, 2017

dcontroversal said:

Yes once a person connects the right entity as to "whose" faith works in who .

James under the inspiration of God revealed that thought of God, it is in perfect agreement of the words that he put in the mouth of Paul . "We are saved by works"... just not that of our own selves. It was by the work of Christ’s faith, the faith of God by which we are saved according to His labor of love. Not of our own selves lest any man say it was of their own selves. We believe because he gives us His faith to make it possible without it(the faith of Christ) no man could believe God.

Both James and Paul are in perfect agreement.He puts no difference between them , purifying the hearts of both Paul and James by a work of His faith, a labor of His love alone.

What if some do not believe (exercise the faith that does come from hearing God ) will their unbelief (no faith) make the faith of God without effect?

dcontroversal · Mar 18, 2017

HisHolly said:

Circumcision HAHAHAHHA this came way after Abraham had faith...the faith that saved him and justified him...wow.....!

dcontroversal · Mar 18, 2017

eternally-gratefull said:

Amen to this as well......

Sirk · Mar 18, 2017

dcontroversal said:

Does almond milk count?!

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