Not By Works

[PeterJens]

Go read you quote....I fire on you because you constantly mouth anyone who disagrees with you....so...how about take your own advice......tell me how these following statements by you add anything of value to this thread....You consistently make false, misleading statements and then when called on it spin it into another twisted misrepresentation and falsehood!

Originally Posted by PeterJens

These are blind guides

They claim superficially they believe the same

If you do not have a deep sin problem, then you are not part of being honest and the group.
So they identify themselves not by righteousness or faith, but by sin and failure.

Yet this group identify themselves with the exact opposite as if sin is somehow a badge
of honour and not shame.

rather about their experience and failure in their faith and
walk,

dc - The problem is this is true. If you want to oppose such propositions please show how
you exalt right living, repenting of evil and walking as Christ walked empowered by love.

Or you are representing the opposite. Do you not see the options? It is not a difficult
comparison to make, but seems to go over your head.

And to be honest, you prove what I am saying because your whole opposition of me is
because I am encouraging people to walk in Christs love and obedience to the sermon
on the mount. Or maybe you think this is evil?

 

[dcontroversal]

No context no malice,, do you deny that those who keep the faith to the end will be saved..yes or no...

There have been at least 4 to 6 people who have shown you the context of this verse is applicable unto physical preservation and is applied unto enduring the great tribulation.....

Salvation is a ONCE FOR ALL ACT pal....and HEBREWS is clear...IF IT could be LOST no one GETS IT BACK EVER.....so....1 (one) sin equals death.....have you sinned after believing...if yes, by your own doctrine of works and the ability to lose it or keep it dia works = LOST FOREVER!

 

[dcontroversal]

dc - The problem is this is true. If you want to oppose such propositions you show how
you exalt right living, repenting of evil and walking as Christ walked empowered by love.

Or you are representing the opposite. Do you not see the options? It is not a difficult
comparison to make, but seems to go over your head.

And to be honest, you prove what I am saying because you whole opposition of me is
because I am encouraging people to walk in Christs love and obedience to the sermon
on the mount. Or maybe you think this is evil?

Not hardly.....had you paid attention to anything said by me or others you could not honestly say what you say....neither you or your pal.....NONE of us have ever implied that we are not to walk faithfully according to the word pal....just that our works or doing good or keeping the word DOES NOT save us or keep us saved, but rather is the result of the saving faith and salvation we ALREADY POSSESS by faith........

so your whole premise and view of what we believe is false and misleading!

 

[Grace777x70]

Go read your quote....I fire on you because you constantly mouth anyone who disagrees with you....so...how about take your own advice......tell me how these following statements by you add anything of value to this thread....You consistently make false, misleading statements and then when called on it spin it into another twisted misrepresentation and falsehood!

Originally Posted by PeterJens

These are blind guides

They claim superficially they believe the same

If you do not have a deep sin problem, then you are not part of being honest and the group.
So they identify themselves not by righteousness or faith, but by sin and failure.

Yet this group identify themselves with the exact opposite as if sin is somehow a badge
of honour and not shame.

rather about their experience and failure in their faith and
walk,

I know it is frustrating to have things constantly "twisted" to say things that are not really being said by others. Some make up things in their own minds and then proceed as if they are real. It's a waste of time to interact with these mindsets until God grants them repentance.

The sky is blue.....

 

[mailmandan]

whether you like to hear it or not mate all this doctrin does is mock good works... thats why so many are offended,,, and how long are you going to keep on doing that ?

Titus 3:5 is not a mockery to good works, but salvation by works is a mockery to the gospel.

 

[PeterJens]

Salvation is a ONCE FOR ALL ACT pal...

Seed and the sower, the parable of the talents, the wedding guests etc.
There are too many examples of starting the walk and failing.

It is fine if you find security in salvation, amen, but to disown all other
believers who experience Christ and the Holy Spirit is divisive and heresy.

The whole theme of the charismatic movement was showing the Lord moves
across denominations and shows His presence in His people despite their differences.

Your position is creating a division over one issue that is actually based on insecurity
and failure in communion with Christ. But to resolve this, though who walk well you
disown as hypocrites and liars without any biblical or evidence though this behaviour
is commanded as being sinful in and of itself.

For this reason I will oppose you, because though you appear to have faith, it
emphasises all the wrong things and condemns the very point of knowing Christ to
walk in the ways of the Kingdom of Heaven.

 

[dcontroversal]

Seed and the sower, the parable of the talents, the wedding guests etc.
There are too many examples of starting the walk and failing.

It is fine if you find security in salvation, amen, but to disown all other
believers who experience Christ and the Holy Spirit is divisive and heresy.

The whole theme of the charismatic movement was showing the Lord moves
across denominations and shows His presence in His people despite their differences.

Your position is creating a division over one issue that is actually based on insecurity
and failure in communion with Christ. But to resolve this, though who walk well you
disown as hypocrites and liars without any biblical or evidence though this behaviour
is commanded as being sinful in and of itself.

For this reason I will oppose you, because though you appear to have faith, it
emphasises all the wrong things and condemns the very point of knowing Christ to
walk in the ways of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Post 2044.....

 

[PeterJens]

so your whole premise and view of what we believe is false and misleading!

Again you have missed the whole point. You claim so much but live in defeat.
What is the point following your way? No resolution of anything, I spend all
my time feeling condemnation and failure so Christ can be more fully shown.

Sounds like failure, sinning and being condemned because I have failed.
Paul does not sound like this at all. If you had a sinners heaven, salvation
and paradise while people stay lost is your version. Not the picture scripture
gives.

The more you guys preach your theology the more it falls apart.
So I have no reason to either believe you or follow you into this pit of
despair and failure. In your idea the cross is the debt canceller so I can
live hopelessly and get to paradise without resolution. That is not the
Christ I believe in.

 

[PeterJens]

Post 2044.....

This is the whole point. You literally have no answers.

 

[dcontroversal]

Again you have missed the whole point. You claim so much but live in defeat.
What is the point following your way? No resolution of anything, I spend all
my time feeling condemnation and failure so Christ can be more fully shown.

Sounds like failure, sinning and being condemned because I have failed.
Paul does not sound like this at all. If you had a sinners heaven, salvation
and paradise while people stay lost is your version. Not the picture scripture
gives.

The more you guys preach your theology the more it falls apart.
So I have no reason to either believe you or follow you into this pit of
despair and failure. In your idea the cross is the debt canceller so I can
live hopelessly and get to paradise without resolution. That is not the
Christ I believe in.

Peter, you have no clue.....all you do is spew opinion....in bias I might add.....

 

[dcontroversal]

This is the whole point. You literally have no answers.

Again....a bias twist, lie and embellishment....many have given you solid answers...your own religion keeps you from acknowledging the truth.....

 

[JIMBO43]

Titus 3:5 is not a mockery to good works, but salvation by works is a mockery to the gospel.

I never said it was ????????????????????

 

[PeterJens]

Again....a bias twist, lie and embellishment....many have given you solid answers...your own religion keeps you from acknowledging the truth.....

Then all you are saying is exactly what I am saying you believe.
Ofcourse we believe in Christ and His washing us clean, but we have to walk in this or
we are in unbelief.

And ofcourse there are struggles, but Christ has the victory which we can claim.

 

[JIMBO43]

Not hardly.....had you paid attention to anything said by me or others you could not honestly say what you say....neither you or your pal.....NONE of us have ever implied that we are not to walk faithfully according to the word pal....just that our works or doing good or keeping the word DOES NOT save us or keep us saved, but rather is the result of the saving faith and salvation we ALREADY POSSESS by faith........

so your whole premise and view of what we believe is false and misleading!

WE ARE INSTRUCTED TO PUT ON THE HELMET OF HOPE FOR SALVATION of the last day the reward.. not the salvation of being saved the salvation of justfication of the being comfirmed..

I wait patiently to be comfirmed this is my faith..this is what ive been instructed to do by the word of God..

I have also been instructed to keep the faith untill the end.. which as far as i know my end hasnt come yet..

Why should i be instructed to do this if i havent been justified yet,,, no one has told me or saw me and said this is the last day ?

have they you ?

do you seee the logic in this ? no offence pal but am i bad for thinking this ? cause you make me soound as if i am..

 

[JIMBO43]

my sixth song of hope,,, clasic.. wade in the water God will meet you where ever you are..[video=youtube;PhA2wR4Gpk0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhA2wR4Gpk0[/video]

 

[dcontroversal]

WE ARE INSTRUCTED TO PUT ON THE HELMET OF HOPE FOR SALVATION of the last day the reward.. not the salvation of being saved the salvation of justfication of the being comfirmed..

I wait patiently to be comfirmed this is my faith..this is what ive been instructed to do by the word of God..

I have also been instructed to keep the faith untill the end.. which as far as i know my end hasnt come yet..

Why should i be instructed to do this if i havent been justified yet,,, no one has told me or saw me and said this is the last day ?

have they you ?

do you seee the logic in this ? no offence pal but am i bad for thinking this ? cause you make me soound as if i am..

The bible does not say the helmet of the HOPE for salvation.....It states the helmet of SALVATION........!

 

[JIMBO43]

YEP IT TELL YOU TO PUT IT ON TOO

 

[dcontroversal]

YEP IT TELL YOU TO PUT IT ON TOO

Oh I already have.....HOPE<---assurance of something guaranteed.....

 

[JIMBO43]

So your saying salvation is something you put on your self ? isnt something That God puts on ????????

 

[JIMBO43]

You know im actualy getting scared to post anything else in here this room is quite dark after recieving such knowledge of truth..