My eyebrows have been growing back actually. Slowly, but still growing nonetheless.
Don't ever let someone tell you God won't heal you.
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My eyebrows have been growing back actually. Slowly, but still growing nonetheless.
James 5:14-15Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
you see the part where it says "let them pray over him"? This is talking about praying for God's healing. Surely, you don't need other people to pray for you in order to be saved.
I do not believe in these healing meetings, not because in Gods grace He does not come
to individuals who need prayer and a touch of His love, but because it is treating God like
a hospital to cure people of their physical ailments, without the teaching about the healing
of the soul through repentance, confession and faith in the cross.
As cc has demonstrated, many are confused about what it means to know Christ and how
he changes lives. Some are happy to stay exactly where they are, victims of their emotional
responses which they will described as sinful yet have no answer to them.
Why would the world be interested in this sorry mess? Apart from a possible healing of a
minor ailment, what else is on offer?
One could compare healing to salvation, in that those that believe will be saved. People point to experiences where a person did not get healed, and use this as to say, "See, healing is not in the atonement. Jesus didn't purchase healing for all." The issue is that our experience cannot trump God's word and that itself is a position of faith. Can you imagine? Your experience doesn't line up with God's word, yet you still proclaim it to be true? People may think you're mad, blind, indoctrinated, and just plain nuts. To allow a book to define reality as opposed to reality itself (or circumstance). Is this insane?
Had Peter just stuck with reason, looked at the laws of this universe, he wouldn't have walked out on the water. It doesn't make sense scientifically to simply walk on water. Yet, belief is so very important to experience. All reality might very well be perception, and one is simply bound by those beliefs. We put ourselves within boundaries of limitation simply by limited beliefs.
What I am getting at is that belief in God's word, that is true, is what should dictate the results of your experience. If God told you to stand before a tsunami and tell it to go back, would that be within the parameters of your paradigm? Would you believe? Could you stand there as a mountain of water raged towards you, you could taste the salt in the air, and yet proclaim "Go back!"?
Such things seem out of order, but in understanding, granted by God, we see things are as they are. The world is a playground, all obstacles only there to be overcome. Why? All things are possible with God. There is no problem of which God cannot solve. Belief, faith, and expectation (from the heart and mind) mold our experience, but such things are founded in God. They are strengthened when they are directed at the Lord. Know His will, believe, and it will be done.
Had Peter just stuck with reason, looked at the laws of this universe, he wouldn't have walked out on the water. It doesn't make sense scientifically to simply walk on water. Yet, belief is so very important to experience. All reality might very well be perception, and one is simply bound by those beliefs. We put ourselves within boundaries of limitation simply by limited beliefs.
What I am getting at is that belief in God's word, that is true, is what should dictate the results of your experience. If God told you to stand before a tsunami and tell it to go back, would that be within the parameters of your paradigm? Would you believe? Could you stand there as a mountain of water raged towards you, you could taste the salt in the air, and yet proclaim "Go back!"?
Such things seem out of order, but in understanding, granted by God, we see things are as they are. The world is a playground, all obstacles only there to be overcome. Why? All things are possible with God. There is no problem of which God cannot solve. Belief, faith, and expectation (from the heart and mind) mold our experience, but such things are founded in God. They are strengthened when they are directed at the Lord. Know His will, believe, and it will be done.
From what I've witnessed, in observing believers stepping out in faith to heal the sick, the sick person is often awakened to God's love as they see Him intervene on their behalf (healing their pain/sickness). It is God's goodness that leads men to repentance, yes? This act of love is an expression of His goodness as the Lord brings healing. It leads people to Christ.
Ben, this is where I see a difference between the body of Christ praying for people
with gifts of healing, faith, wisdom being exercised and massive meetings set up for
the purpose of healing and getting lots of money. There have been some catastrophic
failures, with no recorded healings taking place over a whole week of thousands of people
coming forward, which creates a true sense of failure and disappointment.
God has not called us to empty hospitals. I have seen enthusiastic young person jump up
and down about the wonders of healing everywhere which will break out, then nothing.
If God intended His work in this way, it would happen. Holiness, purity, knowing His will
are His walk.
Everything you said is true but it leaves out a couple of things. The most obvious is the inference that if you are not healed it is because your faith is weak.
God's will trumps everything else. Jesus prayed to His Father that He wouldn't have to suffer horribly. In ways we can't even imagine. But He did His Father's Will. Completely trusting that His Father's Will was ultimately for HIS good and Glory.
John: 9 Now as Jesus passed by, He saw a man who was blind from birth. 2 And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”3 Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him. 4 I[a] must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day; the night is coming when no one can work.5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”
We do not know what the ultimate purpose is of an individual's illness, but we can be sure that if they are in Christ, it is for THEIR good and GOD'S Glory.
You have inferred incorrectly, or even just simply assumed. I am not accusing people of being sick because their faith is weak. There are natural reasons for a person's sickness, most notably their diet. As for them not being healed by God, that statement in and of itself is doubt and disbelief.
If God's word says that He heals all disease, what then are we doing stating God hasn't healed us? One's faith might just say that the healing is right around the corner. Or that God is waiting for the perfect moment. However, to say that it isn't God's will to heal or that He won't is both a lie and erroneous.
God spoke to me one day about a skin disease I will one day be healed of. He told me to believe. To believe so that I may be healed. So if you ask me if a person can be sick and not healed due to not believing I can answer confidently that that is the case (sometimes). I myself, presently, am in that condition. I need to believe.
This isn't to say God cannot or will not bypass my belief and act in His mercy, but yes there are certain individuals who are yet healed because they do not believe. Its a hard reality check when God tells you to believe. It means I need to look in the mirror and see why I don't believe, or see where I have doubts.
To say that no person isn't healed because they lack faith just isn't the case. If water quenches thirst, then go drink it. If God heals all disease, then go seek Him. I don't even think its a matter of faith so much so as ignorance to the truth and therefore they don't even have faith at all. They hope God heals them, but they do not believe that He will. He can, but will He? One's answer might just be He won't and that is truly sad.
In your mind you see someone who is sick seeking healing through prayer with no results. You think I am saying that person lacks faith, ergo they are still sick. That isn't what I am saying. I'm saying if you see that person is struggling you should go over and pray for their healing, in faith and see God move. Be like the roman centurion and have faith for another. Maybe they don't believe, maybe they simply hope God will be merciful to their disbelief. Either way, you can be that bridge, believing that God will act in using Jesus' name to bring God glory.
You should believe because I've seen a Christian lay hands on a lesbian and heal her of pain she was having in her back. He did tell her about God and how it was wrong to be lesbian, unfortunately I'm not sure if she repented afterwards. But she did seem to believe in God after that. I think she was agnostic. Unless when you say "believe in" you're saying you don't agree with. But why not? Later down the line they might repent because they saw how God was merciful and loving by healing them.
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I think he disagrees with the approach is all.
I edited my answer and asked a question at the end of it. I do agree that it sucks if some people do get healed but still don't choose to believe & follow God.
Paul was stoned just before he went to preach the gospel in Galatia. Paul's face would have been a mess after that stoning so to say that Paul had an eye disease to me is just the natural mind of man trying to make excuses and explain away healing that is in Christ. People do and will get sick - we live in a world full of disease but Christ is our Healer.
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Some people actually do not want to get better for various reasons which is why Jesus asked the guy who was sick for 38 years at the pool of Bethesda if he wanted to get well.
Jesus said that healing is the children's bread and no one was refused natural healing from the Lord when they came to Him in faith. Not one single person. Jesus is perfect theology as He came to reveal the Father to us and to do His will.
Here is an article discussing it:
In Acts 14:19 Paul was stoned and left for dead after he preached the good news in Lystra. When it says “left for dead” it means those who were throwing rocks at his head didn’t stop until they thought they had killed him. However, afterwards, a group of believers gathered around him and Paul got up.
The day after this severe attack, Paul walked several miles to Derbe.
The stoning occurred during Paul’s first missionary journey. Both Derbe and Lystra are in Galatia. So when Paul FIRST BROUGHT the Galatians the good news he had literally just been stoned to death.
Having stones thrown at your head until people thought you were dead, might do some damage to your eyes that could be described as an “infirmity to the flesh” or a “bodily ailment.” I am not disputing that Paul was weak and in need of being cared for when he first came to the Galatians. The source of that weakness, however, came from persecution, not sickness.
Did Paul have an eye disease?
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Some people actually do not want to get better for various reasons which is why Jesus asked the guy who was sick for 38 years at the pool of Bethesda if he wanted to get well.
Jesus said that healing is the children's bread and no one was refused natural healing from the Lord when they came to Him in faith. Not one single person. Jesus is perfect theology as He came to reveal the Father to us and to do His will.
Here is an article discussing it:
In Acts 14:19 Paul was stoned and left for dead after he preached the good news in Lystra. When it says “left for dead” it means those who were throwing rocks at his head didn’t stop until they thought they had killed him. However, afterwards, a group of believers gathered around him and Paul got up.
The day after this severe attack, Paul walked several miles to Derbe.
The stoning occurred during Paul’s first missionary journey. Both Derbe and Lystra are in Galatia. So when Paul FIRST BROUGHT the Galatians the good news he had literally just been stoned to death.
Having stones thrown at your head until people thought you were dead, might do some damage to your eyes that could be described as an “infirmity to the flesh” or a “bodily ailment.” I am not disputing that Paul was weak and in need of being cared for when he first came to the Galatians. The source of that weakness, however, came from persecution, not sickness.
Did Paul have an eye disease?
Ben, for one, epilepsy (what I have) is NOT caused by a person's diet. I was 5 years old when I was first diagnosed. Since then, I have prayed for healing, had elders anoint me with oil and pray over me, all to no avail. The cold hard fact is, God will NOT heal *some* people in this lifetime. I know you and South don't want to hear that, but it's true.
And I'm getting really tired of hearing, "you don't have enough faith", you don't have enough belief", "you have sin in your life and that's why you're sick". Getting healed has nothing to do with how much belief or faith a person has. God says we need faith the size of a mustard seed. Not a Titanic-sized faith.
And the one thing that ticks me off the most, is what people tell me the most: "your seizures are caused by demons, you're possessed". Seriously? Get real. :/ I am alot of things, but demon possessed is NOT one of them.. lol
And I'm getting really tired of hearing, "you don't have enough faith", you don't have enough belief", "you have sin in your life and that's why you're sick". Getting healed has nothing to do with how much belief or faith a person has. God says we need faith the size of a mustard seed. Not a Titanic-sized faith.
And the one thing that ticks me off the most, is what people tell me the most: "your seizures are caused by demons, you're possessed". Seriously? Get real. :/ I am alot of things, but demon possessed is NOT one of them.. lol
I have and my fellow professionals have seen a improvement in the area of treatment of neurological disorders via diet and lifestyle.
Especially with autism and some others.
Generally though we find it one of the harder conditions to treat and do not obtain the fantastic results we get with such ailments as heart disease, type 2 diabetes, and even cancer, to name just a small number of the major diseases in America. Truth is, even with many types of cancer, we get far better results then with neural disease.
I have even seen a nutritionist succeed in getting someone off dialysis as impossible as that sounds.
But a lot of neural stuff can be stalled and even stopped in their tracks with a dietary adjustment. Very few can see a regression.
I can only speak for myself, but if I could stall it or stop it from getting worse without taking drugs then count me in on that.
Especially with autism and some others.
Generally though we find it one of the harder conditions to treat and do not obtain the fantastic results we get with such ailments as heart disease, type 2 diabetes, and even cancer, to name just a small number of the major diseases in America. Truth is, even with many types of cancer, we get far better results then with neural disease.
I have even seen a nutritionist succeed in getting someone off dialysis as impossible as that sounds.
But a lot of neural stuff can be stalled and even stopped in their tracks with a dietary adjustment. Very few can see a regression.
I can only speak for myself, but if I could stall it or stop it from getting worse without taking drugs then count me in on that.
My diet is already pretty good. I don't smoke, or drink or do drugs.. Never have.
Blue I am sure iour diet is. You gave me an idea about it a while back.
The problem is, and trust me on this, most people do not know what a "good" diet really is. Not even close.
Then the ones that do are often missing a few critical elements that could be the difference between healing and not.
And then yet again, the people that truly do understand it and have practiced it and seen healing sometimes slide back and get themselves into trouble again, even if it is many years later.
The problem is, and trust me on this, most people do not know what a "good" diet really is. Not even close.
Then the ones that do are often missing a few critical elements that could be the difference between healing and not.
And then yet again, the people that truly do understand it and have practiced it and seen healing sometimes slide back and get themselves into trouble again, even if it is many years later.
I will say it again. Gods principals apply across the board. The window is more narrow then many think.
Think how far we have fallen...
Think how far we have fallen...
our eating habits definitely have a direct effect on myself, as far as my neurological problems go...
plus the supplements that we take and the essential oils - this goes for hubby also...
I would be 'bed-ridden' or confined to a 'wheel-chair'...we don't ask Jesus to do for us what we
can do for ourselves...
plus the supplements that we take and the essential oils - this goes for hubby also...
I would be 'bed-ridden' or confined to a 'wheel-chair'...we don't ask Jesus to do for us what we
can do for ourselves...
I layed hands on a woman who had chronic leg/joint pain and the pain/swelling left and never came back..she was faithless didn't even believe anything would happen, and she was more interested in calling 911 because the pain was that bad, but after the pain went away after about a minute she was speechless. I have also myself been healed of type 2 diabetes, arthritis, cervicalgia and various other bone problems.
God does heal
God does heal