Don't ever let someone tell you God won't heal you.

[blue_ladybug]

Lucky you.. But God does not, and will not, heal EVERY SINGLE PERSON in THIS lifetime..

I layed hands on a woman who had chronic leg/joint pain and the pain/swelling left and never came back..she was faithless didn't even believe anything would happen, and she was more interested in calling 911 because the pain was that bad, but after the pain went away after about a minute she was speechless. I have also myself been healed of type 2 diabetes, arthritis, cervicalgia and various other bone problems.
God does heal

 

[G00WZ]

Lucky you.. But God does not, and will not, heal EVERY SINGLE PERSON in THIS lifetime..

I used to think the same thing, but after i started to renew my mind to who God is and what all was done, and who i am now that i am no longer a slave to sin, the healings started to come.. it wasn't as fast as the womans street healing on her leg but it was gradual and even today things are being healed both in my body and my daily life.. when you live to God you get healed from God + various other good things.. when you live to the world, you die to circumstance or at least become afflicted by it... The only answer to getting healed is having someone pray over you by laying of hands.... Or by learning to walk in the new man, the new identity in Christ, using the mind of Christ and not relying on our own old knowledge... A person can spend a lifetime going to church and reading scripture, be saved and serve God out of the wrong identity/ the old self, they can also go that lifetime without even using the tools provided to strengthen their walk.. If a person doesn't know who they are, doesn't renew their mind to who they are and who God is, they cant claim an inheritance, or walk in any type of power or authority. Most Christians are just satisfied with knowing they get to go to heaven when they die, but they never read about the amazing life they are supposed to be living... Its not a matter of what God wont do, its a matter of what Christians wont do/, we are co-laborers with God, we have a new identity in Christ, we have to renew our minds.. and for most that might be a bit too inconvenient or difficult because they have grown accustomed/ conformed to the world.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I've had laying on of hands done.. didn't work..

 

[maxwel]

A few of you know that I have been told I am going blind.

Now, I don't like that, one bit. But I hope that I will always believe that it is somehow best for me in God's unfathomable plan.

Do I have any idea why or how? Hell no! And I could react in some pretty nasty ways because of it. But, does that change the fact that God still said He loves me, even if He lets me go blind? No, it doesn't. Nor does it change the fact that He may or may not heal me. He still CAN............... but He may not.

The REAL question is, "Do I still keep trusting He is doing what is best for me?".

I think the issue is not that God "can" heal us when he chooses...
bur rather, that the OP is proposing it IS God's will, always, to heal us.

 

[G00WZ]

I've had laying on of hands done.. didn't work..

What i have experienced in healings is sometimes it takes a while to get something specific healed, like commanding a spirit to let go of something, sometimes they wont want to leave and will sit there and cling on and actually try to go to war against the person administering the healing.. many times i have seen a healing session get cut short because the person doing it either backs down or just quits because its taking too long or they seem to be getting nowhere. I don't know all the details of the person or people who did that for you, but i do know it is all 100 percent reliant on how far a person is willing to go. And again like i said earlier there are those who try to serve God in the wrong identity and are fruitless because they are in the old mindset still... If people fail you, you could always do step number 2 like i did, and get it straight from the source.

 

[BenFTW]

Ben, for one, epilepsy (what I have) is NOT caused by a person's diet. I was 5 years old when I was first diagnosed. Since then, I have prayed for healing, had elders anoint me with oil and pray over me, all to no avail. The cold hard fact is, God will NOT heal *some* people in this lifetime. I know you and South don't want to hear that, but it's true.

And I'm getting really tired of hearing, "you don't have enough faith", you don't have enough belief", "you have sin in your life and that's why you're sick". Getting healed has nothing to do with how much belief or faith a person has. God says we need faith the size of a mustard seed. Not a Titanic-sized faith.

And the one thing that ticks me off the most, is what people tell me the most: "your seizures are caused by demons, you're possessed". Seriously? Get real. :/ I am alot of things, but demon possessed is NOT one of them.. lol

Why do you feel that you must be a part of the some, that don't get healed? Does not this belief reflect upon one's heart? If I believe in God's healing, I very well may believe it for others but what about for myself? If you are confessing with your mouth that you are a part of the some that don't get healed, and thats what you've accepted in your heart, how is it that you profess faith for healing?

That may sound direct, but its the same case as with Depleted. Except she just outright said it, about whether she'll be healed in this life time or not. Her words? "Nope." You, however, are not so blunt as to just admit that you've lost hope. I am choosing my words carefully because I don't wish to offend, I am trying my best to be gentle because this topic is one that is sensitive.

In the past you and I have gone done this road, and discussed this. The difference between hope and faith. If you've accepted your, alleged, fate of not being healed in this life and then profess to all that God doesn't heal everyone, why would you so rip hope out of others? What message are you portraying of God, and what hope have you blown out? If God doesn't heal all and this is what you confess, to the person seeking healing they then have no assurance. They only have hope and we've discussed this. While hope is at times sufficient, faith is what is proficient (to get results).

You feel that there is no promise of healing, that it is something that is dependent upon God's present mercy as opposed to His established will. I cannot agree with this, except to say that God does have His timing and purposes. I believe healing, just like salvation, is available to all. There can be many factors involved here, reasons as to why a person isn't healed. Whether its their fault or not, the correct position is to have compassion. To be meek.

My question to you is, have you lost hope? Do you think God will heal you in this life time? If your answer is no, I must ask another question. Where is your faith? I say this in love, honestly. Don't lose hope. God is faithful and good. Persevere.

 

[renewed_hope]

Lucky you.. But God does not, and will not, heal EVERY SINGLE PERSON in THIS lifetime..

It depends on what your opinion of healing is.....God is a God of restoration and he will mold you into what he wants you to be, BUT you have to choose to accept it.

My mom has a chronic back problem due to a seizure she sustained 15+ years ago. She then had multiple seizures, lost her license and couldnt work or go out without having one. God used a doctor to find an experimental drug and the seizures stopped. Now, she was healed of the seizures, but not of her back problem but I know some day she will be....and to be honest she wouldnt be who she is without this little hiccup because in this process it made our family unit stronger so God uses the negative things to show us who he is

 

[South_FLA]

I think the issue is not that God "can" heal us when he chooses...
bur rather, that the OP is proposing it IS God's will, always, to heal us.

I did say earlier in this thread that I realize some believers do die in with their ailments.

 

[South_FLA]

I think the issue is not that God "can" heal us when he chooses...
bur rather, that the OP is proposing it IS God's will, always, to heal us.

*die with their ailments.... But for the most part I've seen lots of Christians and even non-believers get healed by God.

 

[South_FLA]

I know you and South don't want to hear that, but it's true.

I did acknowledge earlier in this thread that yes, some believers do die with their sicknesses, But guess what you aren't dead yet. Are you on the brink of death? How are you so sure that God does not want to heal you later in life? That is why I said don't decide God's will for yourself. I understand why you feel this way because you've had this problem since you were 5. That is pretty crazy idk why God has not healed you yet. But don't be 100% sure he doesn't want to heal you later on.

You have the mindset of "If God wanted to heal me it should've happened by now" which is deciding God's will for yourself. I'm not saying this to nag at you lol I'm just sayin' keep waitin'. The only time you'll actually know God doesn't want to heal you is when you're really about to die.

 

[South_FLA]

I layed hands on a woman who had chronic leg/joint pain and the pain/swelling left and never came back..she was faithless didn't even believe anything would happen, and she was more interested in calling 911 because the pain was that bad, but after the pain went away after about a minute she was speechless. I have also myself been healed of type 2 diabetes, arthritis, cervicalgia and various other bone problems.
God does heal

I'm very glad to see that you and fellow brethren have been healed! God is good, God is good.

 

[South_FLA]

It depends on what your opinion of healing is.....God is a God of restoration and he will mold you into what he wants you to be, BUT you have to choose to accept it.

My mom has a chronic back problem due to a seizure she sustained 15+ years ago. She then had multiple seizures, lost her license and couldnt work or go out without having one. God used a doctor to find an experimental drug and the seizures stopped. Now, she was healed of the seizures, but not of her back problem but I know some day she will be....and to be honest she wouldnt be who she is without this little hiccup because in this process it made our family unit stronger so God uses the negative things to show us who he is

That's awesome God bless you and your family!

 

[South_FLA]

What i have experienced in healings is sometimes it takes a while to get something specific healed, like commanding a spirit to let go of something, sometimes they wont want to leave and will sit there and cling on and actually try to go to war against the person administering the healing.. many times i have seen a healing session get cut short because the person doing it either backs down or just quits because its taking too long or they seem to be getting nowhere. I don't know all the details of the person or people who did that for you, but i do know it is all 100 percent reliant on how far a person is willing to go. And again like i said earlier there are those who try to serve God in the wrong identity and are fruitless because they are in the old mindset still... If people fail you, you could always do step number 2 like i did, and get it straight from the source.

Exactly. Like this one old man my bro in Christ told me about. It took them 2 hours to finally get rid of the spirit that was making him go blind. They didn't stop trying after a couple times. They kept fighting and fighting and then he was finally healed!

 

[PennEd]

You have inferred incorrectly, or even just simply assumed. I am not accusing people of being sick because their faith is weak. There are natural reasons for a person's sickness, most notably their diet. As for them not being healed by God, that statement in and of itself is doubt and disbelief.

If God's word says that He heals all disease, what then are we doing stating God hasn't healed us? One's faith might just say that the healing is right around the corner. Or that God is waiting for the perfect moment. However, to say that it isn't God's will to heal or that He won't is both a lie and erroneous.

God spoke to me one day about a skin disease I will one day be healed of. He told me to believe. To believe so that I may be healed. So if you ask me if a person can be sick and not healed due to not believing I can answer confidently that that is the case (sometimes). I myself, presently, am in that condition. I need to believe.

This isn't to say God cannot or will not bypass my belief and act in His mercy, but yes there are certain individuals who are yet healed because they do not believe. Its a hard reality check when God tells you to believe. It means I need to look in the mirror and see why I don't believe, or see where I have doubts.

To say that no person isn't healed because they lack faith just isn't the case. If water quenches thirst, then go drink it. If God heals all disease, then go seek Him. I don't even think its a matter of faith so much so as ignorance to the truth and therefore they don't even have faith at all. They hope God heals them, but they do not believe that He will. He can, but will He? One's answer might just be He won't and that is truly sad.

In your mind you see someone who is sick seeking healing through prayer with no results. You think I am saying that person lacks faith, ergo they are still sick. That isn't what I am saying. I'm saying if you see that person is struggling you should go over and pray for their healing, in faith and see God move. Be like the roman centurion and have faith for another. Maybe they don't believe, maybe they simply hope God will be merciful to their disbelief. Either way, you can be that bridge, believing that God will act in using Jesus' name to bring God glory.

Nope. YOU'VE inferred a lot about my beliefs. Of course God can and DOES heal. That's not the point. Everything you said here, and your post to blue says exactly what you say you are not saying. That if someone isn't healed it is because their faith isn't strong enough.

Tell me Ben, do you know ANYBODY (JESUS ASIDE!) who's faith was strong enough that they physically didn't die? You COMPLETELY ignore that God can and DOES use maladies and illnesses for HIS glory.

This young man spoke at our Church this past Sunday. He prayed and believed the LORD would heal his diseased leg. In case you don't watch the whole video I can tell you he ended up having to get his leg amputated. BUT the Lord USED that illness, disease for HIS Glory in ways this man never could have if he didn't have his leg amputated.

Consider the possibility that you are wrong. You have shown a lot of wisdom on CC, and I have seen you apologize before for stuff, but I don't think I've ever seen you admit that you might be wrong on an issue. [video=youtube;z-XterWNQc0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-XterWNQc0[/video]

 

[South_FLA]

Lucky you.. But God does not, and will not, heal EVERY SINGLE PERSON in THIS lifetime..

and blue I also wanted to say that I don't think you're stupid for not believing you'll be healed, I'm not looking down on ya or anything like that. If I was sick with something for 40 years I'd be pretty upset and doubtful about being healed as well. Heck, just look at how I was in my other thread where I was complaining about not being healed after 1 year.

Can you imagine how much worse and cry babyish I would've sounded if I hadn't been healed in 40? I don't blame you for the way you feel honestly. But God did humble me, and put it in my heart to believe all the things he said about healing in the bible. Which is why I started this thread in the first place. I really do agree with you when you say not every single person gets healed in this lifetime. That IS true.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I shall try to say this politely, because I'm rather annoyed right now. Anyhoo, I'm NOT upset or doubtful at all. I know you want to believe God heals everyone, but the fact is, He doesn't and He won't. If He healed ALL of us right this minute, and kept us healed, we would be immortals. In a fallen world. And that's not part of His plan for us. It doesn't even make sense for us to be immortals in a mortal world.

Will God heal SOME people in this lifetime? Absolutely. BUT He will NOT heal many others. And His reasons for that are known only to Him. God uses our illnesses to draw us to Him. If we were all healthy, we wouldn't be so near to Him. I know I wouldn't be anyway.. I may be healed in this lifetime, then again, maybe not. But you'll know me in heaven, I'll be the one doing cartwheels with a bunch of orange kitties chasing me.

and blue I also wanted to say that I don't think you're stupid for not believing you'll be healed, I'm not looking down on ya or anything like that. If I was sick with something for 40 years I'd be pretty upset and doubtful about being healed as well. Heck, just look at how I was in my other thread where I was complaining about not being healed after 1 year.

Can you imagine how much worse and cry babyish I would've sounded if I hadn't been healed in 40? I don't blame you for the way you feel honestly. But God did humble me, and put it in my heart to believe all the things he said about healing in the bible. Which is why I started this thread in the first place. I really do agree with you when you say not every single person gets healed in this lifetime. That IS true.

 

[blue_ladybug]

What's the use of getting healed later on in life, when I'm 100 years old? LOL.. By then I'm at the end of my life, about to get a new body, so why heal me later on? What's the point of healing me, then letting me die where I would've gotten eternally healed anyway? I'm 47 in October, and God-willing I won't live much beyond that anyway. God knows I'm more than ready for my eternal painfree body.. Don't you think maybe we are of better use to God when we are sick? That we can glorify Him more? I do.

I did acknowledge earlier in this thread that yes, some believers do die with their sicknesses, But guess what you aren't dead yet. Are you on the brink of death? How are you so sure that God does not want to heal you later in life? That is why I said don't decide God's will for yourself. I understand why you feel this way because you've had this problem since you were 5. That is pretty crazy idk why God has not healed you yet. But don't be 100% sure he doesn't want to heal you later on.

You have the mindset of "If God wanted to heal me it should've happened by now" which is deciding God's will for yourself. I'm not saying this to nag at you lol I'm just sayin' keep waitin'. The only time you'll actually know God doesn't want to heal you is when you're really about to die.

 

[blue_ladybug]

And you.. You just love ticking me off..

No I have not lost hope. Yes I do believe that God MAY heal me in this lifetime, but as I just said to South, chances are He won't. Now let me ask you this: why do you refuse to believe that God will not heal everyone in this lifetime? As far as Lynn goes, well she's what? 60 some odd years old? MUCH older than I am, so therefore has had much longer at not experiencing healing in her lifetiime yet.. I don't know what part of immortals in a mortal world, that you don't understand. If God healed all of us today, that's what we'd be: perfect immortals in an evil corrupt world. But that's not part of His plan for us. I suggest you read Penns post a few times.

Why won't you believe that God uses those whom He chooses not to heal, to better bring Him glory than a healthy person can do? A healthy person doesn't have to say thank you to God. They just trot around and go about their lives. It's the sick people who constantly give thanks to God.

I give thanks for being able to get my garbage out, to check my mail, do laundry, to do ANYTHING that I have to do while my back is in agony. I give thanks for even being able to get up outta bed in the morning. I was stuck in bed for a year and a half 24/7, so getting up is a real achievement..

So yes, if God chooses not to heal me, I'm okay with that. I don't like it, but I'm okay with it. To God be the glory.

Why do you feel that you must be a part of the some, that don't get healed? Does not this belief reflect upon one's heart? If I believe in God's healing, I very well may believe it for others but what about for myself? If you are confessing with your mouth that you are a part of the some that don't get healed, and thats what you've accepted in your heart, how is it that you profess faith for healing?

That may sound direct, but its the same case as with Depleted. Except she just outright said it, about whether she'll be healed in this life time or not. Her words? "Nope." You, however, are not so blunt as to just admit that you've lost hope. I am choosing my words carefully because I don't wish to offend, I am trying my best to be gentle because this topic is one that is sensitive.

In the past you and I have gone done this road, and discussed this. The difference between hope and faith. If you've accepted your, alleged, fate of not being healed in this life and then profess to all that God doesn't heal everyone, why would you so rip hope out of others? What message are you portraying of God, and what hope have you blown out? If God doesn't heal all and this is what you confess, to the person seeking healing they then have no assurance. They only have hope and we've discussed this. While hope is at times sufficient, faith is what is proficient (to get results).

You feel that there is no promise of healing, that it is something that is dependent upon God's present mercy as opposed to His established will. I cannot agree with this, except to say that God does have His timing and purposes. I believe healing, just like salvation, is available to all. There can be many factors involved here, reasons as to why a person isn't healed. Whether its their fault or not, the correct position is to have compassion. To be meek.

My question to you is, have you lost hope? Do you think God will heal you in this life time? If your answer is no, I must ask another question. Where is your faith? I say this in love, honestly. Don't lose hope. God is faithful and good. Persevere.

 

[South_FLA]

What's the use of getting healed later on in life, when I'm 100 years old? LOL.. By then I'm at the end of my life, about to get a new body, so why heal me later on? What's the point of healing me, then letting me die where I would've gotten eternally healed anyway? I'm 47 in October, and God-willing I won't live much beyond that anyway. God knows I'm more than ready for my eternal painfree body.. Don't you think maybe we are of better use to God when we are sick? That we can glorify Him more? I do.

I'm not gonna lie I'm honestly getting annoyed of my own thread as well! I really didn't think a lot of people would comment on this. Even though I'm glad they did, because I learned a lot. The true MAIN reason why I posted this was to tell others to not go around telling someone they won't get healed because that is God's decision. And I'm not saying we're supposed to be immortals. There will be times when we are sick and times where we aren't. Another thing I was gonna tell you is that you have the mindset of a 90 year old when you're only in your 40s. Now I realize that you don't wanna live long so I get why you think that way.

I guess some people don't want to believe they'll get healed, there's nothing I can do about that. All we can do is provide scripture and healing experiences and it is up to the person to believe it for themselves or not. And you don't have to respond to this! If you're really that annoyed we don't have to talk anymore. I can see how personal this whole thing is to you.

 

[PeterJens]

To know the will of God is to know freedom.

To some is given a short life and to others a long life.
Which is a great blessing?

To some great health and to others poor health.

Are we the product of divine planned creation or the fruit of a world allowed
to develop and grow, where we are the fruit to eternal life?

Are problems simply gone when they are solved but a process of learning an
approach to life and all issues before the King?

Why is such a vast universe around us, yet we live on one planet, bounded
by at atmosphere only 20 miles high, like jam on a sandwich?

Such contradictions, which defy a sense of meaning, yet we are creatures
who derive meaning from everything and desire love and interaction from the
depths of our very souls.

Is the meaning in the vastness of space or in the love we share one with another?
Do you value the greatness of things or the beauty in one flower, which defines
all you see around you?

So finding through all this the will of God is not easy. If God desired all to be
healed they would never get ill. If everything is just a trial of faith in Jesus,
we would never have the bible, just an A4 sheet of paper.