Have you believed the false grace message?
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Call him Jesus if you want I'm not offended. Call YHWH God that's fine. Just please don't call me crazy, i wont insult you. Hebrew roots is nuts but they that do still teach the cross have revival. Why not ask me brother? I use this language because we should to keep from arguments. If I disagree with you it doesn't mean I hate you. Shalom love y'all John
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I am fully convinced that the Parable of the Gates, is NOT referencing any people who Claim to be something other than Christian. Everyone on the Broad Road to the Destruction of Hell, think they are Christians, but in reality NEVER came to establish a LOVING Relationship with Jesus Christ as LORD, meaning MASTER; which I believe IS ENTERING THE NARROW GATE.
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Torah is the 1st five books of Moses.
Tanukh is what we call the Old testament.
Most who claim to follow Torah admits to not making animal sacrifices or going to the Tabernacle of the Lord in the feast days.
They justify it in many ways, but how do you decide what you follow and what you don't follow?
This forum isn't called "prove so and so wrong forum"
If you believe you can keep the law of Moses, no will stop you. You may even find others trying as well.
If you believe keeping the laws or not keeping the laws saves you, then you will have issues because you are under the old covenant, and don't understand the gospel Jesus preaches.
That does not exclude the fact that the Holy Spirit will lead people to live godly lives.
Tanukh is what we call the Old testament.
Most who claim to follow Torah admits to not making animal sacrifices or going to the Tabernacle of the Lord in the feast days.
They justify it in many ways, but how do you decide what you follow and what you don't follow?
This forum isn't called "prove so and so wrong forum"
If you believe you can keep the law of Moses, no will stop you. You may even find others trying as well.
If you believe keeping the laws or not keeping the laws saves you, then you will have issues because you are under the old covenant, and don't understand the gospel Jesus preaches.
That does not exclude the fact that the Holy Spirit will lead people to live godly lives.
No . in fact it was part of what was nailed to the cross. Also it remained in Israel as a witness against them. We also have Talmud today called by various names by different denominations. These too are a witness against us today to those who keep them over "God's law" Torah, ( literally "instruction").
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Talmud
(i.e. doctrine , from the Hebrew word "to learn") is a large collection of writings, containing a full account of the civil and religious laws of the Jews. It was a fundamental principle of the Pharisees, common to them with all orthodox modern Jews, that by the side of the written law, regarded as a summary of the principles and general laws of the Hebrew people, there was an oral law, to complete and to explain the written law. It was an article of faith that in the Pentateuch there was no precept, and no regulation, ceremonial, doctrinal or legal, of which God had not given to Moses all explanations necessary for their application, with the order to transmit them by word of mouth. The classical subject is the following in the Mishna on this wing: "Moses received the (oral) law from Sinai, and delivered it to Joshua, and Joshua to the elders, and the elders to the prophets and the prophets to the men of the Great Synagogue." This oral law, with the numerous commentaries upon it, forms the Talmud. It consists of two parts, the Mishna and Gemara.
The MISHNA, or "second law," which contains a compendium of the whole ritual law, was reduced to writing in its present form by Rabbi Jehuda the Holy, a Jew of great wealth and influence, who flourished in the second century of the Christian era. Viewed as a whole, the precepts in the Mishna treated men like children, formalizing and defining the minutest particulars of ritual observances. The expressions of "bondage," or "weak and beggarly elements," and of "burdens too heavy for men to bear," faithfully represent the impression produced by their multiplicity. The Mishna is very concisely written, and requires notes.
This circumstance led to the commentaries called GEMARA (i.e. supplement, completion ), which form the second part of the Talmud, and which are very commonly meant when the word "Talmud" is used by itself. There are two Gemaras; one of Jerusalem, in which there is said to be no passage which can be proved to be later than the first half of the fourth century; and the other of Babylon, completed about 500 A.D. The latter is the more important and by far the longer.
Talmud Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary
(i.e. doctrine , from the Hebrew word "to learn") is a large collection of writings, containing a full account of the civil and religious laws of the Jews. It was a fundamental principle of the Pharisees, common to them with all orthodox modern Jews, that by the side of the written law, regarded as a summary of the principles and general laws of the Hebrew people, there was an oral law, to complete and to explain the written law. It was an article of faith that in the Pentateuch there was no precept, and no regulation, ceremonial, doctrinal or legal, of which God had not given to Moses all explanations necessary for their application, with the order to transmit them by word of mouth. The classical subject is the following in the Mishna on this wing: "Moses received the (oral) law from Sinai, and delivered it to Joshua, and Joshua to the elders, and the elders to the prophets and the prophets to the men of the Great Synagogue." This oral law, with the numerous commentaries upon it, forms the Talmud. It consists of two parts, the Mishna and Gemara.
The MISHNA, or "second law," which contains a compendium of the whole ritual law, was reduced to writing in its present form by Rabbi Jehuda the Holy, a Jew of great wealth and influence, who flourished in the second century of the Christian era. Viewed as a whole, the precepts in the Mishna treated men like children, formalizing and defining the minutest particulars of ritual observances. The expressions of "bondage," or "weak and beggarly elements," and of "burdens too heavy for men to bear," faithfully represent the impression produced by their multiplicity. The Mishna is very concisely written, and requires notes.
This circumstance led to the commentaries called GEMARA (i.e. supplement, completion ), which form the second part of the Talmud, and which are very commonly meant when the word "Talmud" is used by itself. There are two Gemaras; one of Jerusalem, in which there is said to be no passage which can be proved to be later than the first half of the fourth century; and the other of Babylon, completed about 500 A.D. The latter is the more important and by far the longer.
Talmud Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary
For those who don't know Talmud is the oral tradition handed down. It was put into written form and now the Jewish faith has used it as their religious practice over Torah. That's why Yeshua had problems with them. There is wisdom in it and history of the Israeli people. There is even a denominational divide in Jewish religion just like Christian religions.
Why do you feel I attack you? You said yesterday you were being persecuted. Do you really feel I attack you? I love you and have tried to always speak with you respectfully.
I agree that Paul spent a great amount of time fighting legalism, but he did not spend any time on fighting continued trust and abiding in that trust.
It's not that I don't want to discuss the scriptures you give. I just want to take them together with the ones in tension to them and understand them together.
I agree that Paul spent a great amount of time fighting legalism, but he did not spend any time on fighting continued trust and abiding in that trust.
It's not that I don't want to discuss the scriptures you give. I just want to take them together with the ones in tension to them and understand them together.
I do believe once a person truly repents and professes Jesus as savior, Jesus will
begin his work In them.
Once the Spirit lives within them the Spirit guides us, prays for us, and prompt us to do right as we learn right from wrong.
However in my own life I do Not see the Spirit being all controlling. I do believe we have a choice to listen or ignore the Spirit. I believe God values our free will and values our relationship with him. Following him only shows our love for God and not an act to gain one's salvation but because they who love God loves to follow God. This is how we will see the follower vs the fan.
I know they who remain in faith until the end is sealed with the mark of Christ. It's the faith that saves us and all too many lose that very faith from what they knew.
I am saddened and pray for some of the people near me who have left the church and now one doesn't resist homosexual behaviour but divorced her husband and now planning to marry a female. And She grew up in church as did I. My brother who grew up with me in church and was loving God, while I had remained selfish and knew what was right but did my own thing. But my brother suffered a huge loss and now blames God and no longer in church.
I agree only God knows their hearts and will they return I don't know. God will search for them and if they return it will be the image of the prodigal son.
I am deeply troubled and he doesn't listen when I speak of God's love. He just says well if God is loving why alow this?
I say that because I saw his love and the fruit was evident and now I worry. Only God knows who truly falls away in apostasy and only God knows who truly blasphemies. But I do believe a believer can get to the point that could reach apostasy (living for self)
or even blasphemy(by falling into a false teachers teachings like the gay movement).
I do believe a believer gets to that point by deliberate sin and if one deliberate sins enough without repentance I can not see why there would still stand a sacrifice for sins as they take for granted what Christ did.
Salvation can never be lost but freely given but also freely denied not forced.
No where in scripture I see forced but usually follow, remain, being led, and all these warnings to believers about sin and returning to what the flesh desires.
Yes he works in us to prepare us for good works. As we take up our crosses daily and in denying of self we choose to act on the Spirits unspoken groanings and as we listen in obedience to do his will. We hear read my word, pray, help the needy, etc.
I never feel forced when in fact I always want to but feel more towards talking myself out of it and watching Netflix. But with anything obedience builds discipline and discipline builds disciples.
I believe all was predestined by the blood of Christ who believes in faith his crucifixion and resurrection.
I respect what others believe but I have to
disagree with some that once we believe we can do nothing of our own will to tell God ," God thanks for helping me back there, but now let me drive your taking me destinations I don't want to go." Like Uganda instead of the beach.
I have never thought or pushed works will save you. But what I see in scripture a relationship with Jesus will. It just so happens good works are a product of a true Jesus relationship. A mature Christian knows no matter his sin daily Christ forgives who feels and acknowledges his wrong doing. And because of his promise we can move forward knowing forgiveness is granted and continue to imitate Christ in all our ways.
Yes God first had to plant his seed in us. But it was also up to us to except his message of Jesus or deny it.
I will be honest these past few days has been rough on my soul. I do not rest easy when I search for truth. In all my research and counseling. I can't help but see the thread of free will and what choosing Jesus saves us from.
I have not gone into detail because I know if who reads and gets to this sentence and doesn't understand but wants to say I'm lying then I know their heart was set from the beginning. I love all of you and I am overjoyed by the love of Christ. I dont force my beliefs but only proclaim and others can do their own research and come to their own interpretation. Using the guidance of elders and scripture. And in remembrance that even highly educated scholars still and has been disagreeing with this subject since forever ago, that being said who truly researches remember interpretations are never one sided. Just be careful not to judge but read scripture as it fits in each chapter and book.
begin his work In them.
Once the Spirit lives within them the Spirit guides us, prays for us, and prompt us to do right as we learn right from wrong.
However in my own life I do Not see the Spirit being all controlling. I do believe we have a choice to listen or ignore the Spirit. I believe God values our free will and values our relationship with him. Following him only shows our love for God and not an act to gain one's salvation but because they who love God loves to follow God. This is how we will see the follower vs the fan.
I know they who remain in faith until the end is sealed with the mark of Christ. It's the faith that saves us and all too many lose that very faith from what they knew.
I am saddened and pray for some of the people near me who have left the church and now one doesn't resist homosexual behaviour but divorced her husband and now planning to marry a female. And She grew up in church as did I. My brother who grew up with me in church and was loving God, while I had remained selfish and knew what was right but did my own thing. But my brother suffered a huge loss and now blames God and no longer in church.
I agree only God knows their hearts and will they return I don't know. God will search for them and if they return it will be the image of the prodigal son.
I am deeply troubled and he doesn't listen when I speak of God's love. He just says well if God is loving why alow this?
I say that because I saw his love and the fruit was evident and now I worry. Only God knows who truly falls away in apostasy and only God knows who truly blasphemies. But I do believe a believer can get to the point that could reach apostasy (living for self)
or even blasphemy(by falling into a false teachers teachings like the gay movement).
I do believe a believer gets to that point by deliberate sin and if one deliberate sins enough without repentance I can not see why there would still stand a sacrifice for sins as they take for granted what Christ did.
Salvation can never be lost but freely given but also freely denied not forced.
No where in scripture I see forced but usually follow, remain, being led, and all these warnings to believers about sin and returning to what the flesh desires.
Yes he works in us to prepare us for good works. As we take up our crosses daily and in denying of self we choose to act on the Spirits unspoken groanings and as we listen in obedience to do his will. We hear read my word, pray, help the needy, etc.
I never feel forced when in fact I always want to but feel more towards talking myself out of it and watching Netflix. But with anything obedience builds discipline and discipline builds disciples.
I believe all was predestined by the blood of Christ who believes in faith his crucifixion and resurrection.
I respect what others believe but I have to
disagree with some that once we believe we can do nothing of our own will to tell God ," God thanks for helping me back there, but now let me drive your taking me destinations I don't want to go." Like Uganda instead of the beach.
I have never thought or pushed works will save you. But what I see in scripture a relationship with Jesus will. It just so happens good works are a product of a true Jesus relationship. A mature Christian knows no matter his sin daily Christ forgives who feels and acknowledges his wrong doing. And because of his promise we can move forward knowing forgiveness is granted and continue to imitate Christ in all our ways.
Yes God first had to plant his seed in us. But it was also up to us to except his message of Jesus or deny it.
I will be honest these past few days has been rough on my soul. I do not rest easy when I search for truth. In all my research and counseling. I can't help but see the thread of free will and what choosing Jesus saves us from.
I have not gone into detail because I know if who reads and gets to this sentence and doesn't understand but wants to say I'm lying then I know their heart was set from the beginning. I love all of you and I am overjoyed by the love of Christ. I dont force my beliefs but only proclaim and others can do their own research and come to their own interpretation. Using the guidance of elders and scripture. And in remembrance that even highly educated scholars still and has been disagreeing with this subject since forever ago, that being said who truly researches remember interpretations are never one sided. Just be careful not to judge but read scripture as it fits in each chapter and book.
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