You Dont Need to Believe the Bible to Be a Christian

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Utah

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Stephen63 said:
Folks seem to believe some things are good & right, until you say, "Pray, & tell God that, & see what He thinks about it." Then they usually say "Oh no, I can't do that".:rolleyes:
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Have you talked with God about your self righteousness lately?

If not, you may want to adjust your best guess to 76%.
 
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Utah said:
And if you wreck, you are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not the Bible.
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Correct unless a person without knowledge of the mark of the beast recieves it. in which case that is a permanent wreak that cannot be fixed.
 
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PrynceNY said:
Correct unless a person without knowledge of the mark of the beast recieves it. in which case that is a permanent wreak that cannot be fixed.
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Jesus isn't strong enough to correct our mistakes? The beast is stronger than Jesus?
 
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Utah said:
Have you talked with God about your self righteousness lately?

If not, you may want to adjust your best guess to 76%.
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wow You gave him credit for a whole percentage point.. I am amazed..lol
 
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Utah said:
Jesus isn't strong enough to correct our mistakes? The beast is stronger than Jesus?
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Jesus can correct our mistakes however the scriptures strictly warns us not to take the mark of the beast. Once you take that you belong to Satan & your soul is condemned for eternity. You will be better off losing your life in Jesus name than taking it.

"If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name."
 
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PrynceNY said:
Jesus can correct our mistakes however the scriptures strictly warns us not to take the mark of the beast. Once you take that you belong to Satan & your soul is condemned for eternity. You will be better off losing your life in Jesus name than taking it.

"If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name."
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And rightly so. To God be the glory.
 
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Hey bro, Had to bust on ya in fun :D
 
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I read in the bible that Jesus loved His enemies. And though I am a Christian, I don't need to believe I should love my enemies.
I read in the bible that Jesus raised the dead. And though I am a Christian, I don't need to believe He did.
I read in the bible that Jesus died for my sins. And though I am a Christian, I don't need to believe He did.
I read in the bible that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. And though I am a Christian, I don't need to believe He is.
This is vain, empty chatter.
 
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TraySir said:
I read in the bible that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. And though I am a Christian, I don't need to believe He is.
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So you put your faith in Jesus -- the non-Christ, non-Son of the Living God?
 
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TraySir said:
I read in the bible that Jesus loved His enemies. And though I am a Christian, I don't need to believe I should love my enemies. I read in the bible that Jesus raised the dead. And though I am a Christian, I don't need to believe He did. I read in the bible that Jesus died for my sins. And though I am a Christian, I don't need to believe He did. I read in the bible that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. And though I am a Christian, I don't need to believe He is. This is vain, empty chatter.
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How do you label yourself a christian & say one doesn't need to believe he died for your sins & one doesn't need to believe he is the son of God? You need to believe those things
 
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PrynceNY said:
How do you label yourself a christian & say one doesn't need to believe he died for your sins & one doesn't need to believe he is the son of God? You need to believe those things
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Exactly.
(My fault. I should've put quotes around my post - the one you responded to. My post was trying to show how foolish to claim to be a Christian but not believe in the bible. I thought the last line of my post would show that. It didn't.)
 
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PrynceNY said:
How do you label yourself a christian & say one doesn't need to believe he died for your sins & one doesn't need to believe he is the son of God? You need to believe those things
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Exactly.
(My fault. I should've put quotes around my post - the one you responded to. My post was trying to show how foolish to claim to be a Christian but not believe in the bible. I thought the last line of my post would show that. It didn't.)
 
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TraySir said:
I read in the bible that Jesus loved His enemies. And though I am a Christian, I don't need to believe I should love my enemies.
I read in the bible that Jesus raised the dead. And though I am a Christian, I don't need to believe He did.
I read in the bible that Jesus died for my sins. And though I am a Christian, I don't need to believe He did.
I read in the bible that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. And though I am a Christian, I don't need to believe He is.
This is vain, empty chatter.
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Quite interesting, what led you to not believe in such things? Though I may get it now, you where being humorous?
 
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BeyondET said:
Quite interesting, what led you to not believe in such things? Though I may get it now, you where being humorous?
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Not humorous. Trying to illustrate or show we can't claim to be Christian while claiming disbelief in the bible.
 
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TraySir said:
Not humorous. Trying to illustrate or show we can't claim to be Christian while claiming disbelief in the bible.
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I agree, would you believe the bible can be worded better or leave it like it is,

My view is it could use some reproofing.
 
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TraySir said:
Not humorous. Trying to illustrate or show we can't claim to be Christian while claiming disbelief in the bible.
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Some people say they have faith in Jesus but don't believe in His Resurrection. Makes me wonder what attributes of faith we must have in Jesus before we receive grace.
 
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PrynceNY said:
Jesus can correct our mistakes however the scriptures strictly warns us not to take the mark of the beast. Once you take that you belong to Satan & your soul is condemned for eternity. You will be better off losing your life in Jesus name than taking it.

"If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name."
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and the mark of the beast is final unbelief.
 
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Utah said:
Some people say they have faith in Jesus but don't believe in His Resurrection. Makes me wonder what attributes of faith we must have in Jesus before we receive grace.
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faith in Him as the One Who died for us and lives again is the minimum requirement

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