Rapture= false teaching

prisonofflesh · Apr 18, 2010

Ok, I see a lot of people talking about how it wouldn't make sense for God to make us go through the great tribulation.

Christians today are being killed for being... Christians.

I mean, look at history and all the Christians who were tortured and put to death for being Christians.

Look at the cathelic church during the dark ages, the genocide of WW2 was a walk in the park compared to what Christians went through at that time.

Jesus warned us that we would be persecuted because of Him. Saying God would not let Christians suffer is an insult, it denies what the Bible says, the word of God. It's an insult to all the Christians who have died because of the Lord throughout history.

It saddens me, please. Who are we to say what makes sense and doesn't make sense for GOD to do? We are in a fallen state, what makes sense to us is so far away from what makes sense to God. He, and only He, is just.

If you're wondering what in the world I'm talking about, please read the book of Job, the whole thing.
Then come back and tell me that God would not have you suffer.

Sincerely in love,
Damien.

miktre · Apr 18, 2010

I want to cover these verses here in Luke 17 to help some get a better understanding of Christ's teaching here. You must really pay attention when reading these verses or else the meaning can be easily lost.

26And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
OK there were giants in those days when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men. The sons of God are angels, fallen angels. Same thing was happening in Lots day which these verses further my believe of a second influx of fallen angels had occurred.

31In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
"In that day" The day is the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.Here we are talking about Christs day. Don't turn back because God is going to pour His wrath out. If one was raptured there would be no choice to turn back. "In the field" means in the world, those of us who are still alive. Watchman is on the rooftop watching and there is also a flood of lies in the world.

32Remember Lot's wife.
While they were fleeing to the mountains she looked back.

33Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
Stick to your first love, friends.

34I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Here is where many run into trouble. Now Christ says "in that night" Night is satans little reign, when he comes to deceive men into thinking he is Christ. You do not want to be one taken in the night because you will have been taken by satans false wedding. He told us to watch the whole night through, not be taken. Christ coming is so bright there will be no more night.

35Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Keep doing Gods work through the night, He has a use for you.

36Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
You keep planting seeds on don't be taken by the false.

37And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
Where are they taken? Should read: Wheresoever the carcass is, thither will the vultures be gathered together.
Carcass is satans spiritually dead body of members. Will you be deceived by beautiful angelic beings and fly off to his dead church of new age lies?

Zilla64007 · Apr 19, 2010

QuestionTime said:

once again... read the verses... I'll read it with you:

2 Thessalonians 2:6-7
6 And now ye know what withholdeth, that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now holdeth back will hold him back, until he is taken out of the way.

did you catch that?... this restrainer has more than one identity... this restrainer is described as being a "what" (gender neutral) and a "he" (gender masculine)... another think to keep in mind is the word "holdeth (this is the 21st Century KJV... KJV says withholdeth); the word "withholdeth" in Greek means to literally restrain, or physically restrain... so this restrainer is physically restraining the Man of Lawlessness... literally holding him back, so this restrainer has to be on the same spiritual plane as the Son of Perdition is. It is impossible for it to be Rome, and it's not the church, and it's most certainly not the Holy Spirit. The only possible explanation is angelic: the Archangel Michael and his army.

now as far as the Whore of Babylon, yes, the Papacy is part of it, however the Papacy itself makes up only a small portion of the Whore of Babylon... there are so called "Christian" all over this nation in Protestantism that are just as bad as Roman Catholicism, not to mention there are many Roman Catholics who are 100% genuine in the faith in Jesus Christ... the rest of that Whore is every other religion on this earth and the so called "Christianity" that is being distorted, perverted, diluted, and changed from the teachings of uniformitarianism, universalism, and universal humanitarianism

VW · Apr 19, 2010

Zilla64007 said:

once again... read the verses... I'll read it with you:

2 Thessalonians 2:6-7
6 And now ye know what withholdeth, that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now holdeth back will hold him back, until he is taken out of the way.

did you catch that?... this restrainer has more than one identity... this restrainer is described as being a "what" (gender neutral) and a "he" (gender masculine)... another think to keep in mind is the word "holdeth (this is the 21st Century KJV... KJV says withholdeth); the word "withholdeth" in Greek means to literally restrain, or physically restrain... so this restrainer is physically restraining the Man of Lawlessness... literally holding him back, so this restrainer has to be on the same spiritual plane as the Son of Perdition is. It is impossible for it to be Rome, and it's not the church, and it's most certainly not the Holy Spirit. The only possible explanation is angelic: the Archangel Michael and his army.

now as far as the Whore of Babylon, yes, the Papacy is part of it, however the Papacy itself makes up only a small portion of the Whore of Babylon... there are so called "Christian" all over this nation in Protestantism that are just as bad as Roman Catholicism, not to mention there are many Roman Catholics who are 100% genuine in the faith in Jesus Christ... the rest of that Whore is every other religion on this earth and the so called "Christianity" that is being distorted, perverted, diluted, and changed from the teachings of uniformitarianism, universalism, and universal humanitarianism

There is another explanation of what withholdeth. He who is coming is the man of lawlessness, and oddly enough, there is still some law in society, although it is fast fading away. When this law of men, which holds society together, (and this law of men is a God given gift,) then will the son of destruction, the man of lawlessness, be revealed.

Zilla64007 · Apr 19, 2010

that law of men is not in a heavenly realm, physically restraining Satan... the only one that is doing that is Michael. we read Satan's expulsion to earth in Revelation 12

mpaper345 · Apr 20, 2010

The war in Revelation chapter 12 has not happened yet.

Satan was kicked out of the 3rd heaven where God dwells and God was the one who kicked Satan out of heaven.

Satan is the prince of the power of the air,which is considered heaven,but Satan is not in the 3rd heaven.

The Bible says that after the 6th trumpet people still do not repent of their evil ways,they will not turn to God to solve the world's problems,so God gives them the antichrist to rule over them.

That is when war will break out in heaven and Michael and his angels will defeat Satan and his angels,and Satan and the devils will be cast to earth,and satan appears as the antichrist.

The earth become satan and the devils holding cell and the earth is the habitation of devils and the cage of every hateful and caged bird.

That is the strong delusion that God will send to all those who love not the truth,a delusion they cannot snap out of,they will be deceived by a devil to follow the antichrist system.

Matt

walt2000 · Apr 30, 2010

The interpretation of Revelation
walt2000
THE REVELATIONS OF CHRIST TO JOHN

Revelations Of Seven Thunders Explaining Flash Card
Those lines and ovals ,as you call them are similaritys between the thunders.And the area around the Thunders are really self explanatory.

GET MY CHART AND LOOK.

7 the top horizontal line is Christ's victory,in yellow.
6 next horizontal line is in Red ,The no. of Man.
5 line next is Christ's protection,souls protected,Come up my people.Word
4 line from the top is the no. of Earth.
3 line is the trinity no.Father(God),Son Of (God),Holy spirit, Word of (God)
2 this line is the union With (God)
1 is the no. of unity,(God)
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7 promises to the church's on the Earth ,things Thu seen,with (God)

The first four 1,2,3,4, are the four spirits that roam the Earth.

7 th.Thunder vertically is mystery Babylon White horse winner on Earth.
6 th. Thunder vertically is man.on Earth
5.th. Thunder vertically is Babylon Fallen Preaching to the Earth.

4.th. Thunder vertically is The word on the Earth.
3 rd. Thunder vertically is witnesses on Earth.
2 nd. Thunder vertically is union with Christ on Earth.
1 st. Thunder vertically is White horse ,winner with Christ on Earth.

5,6,7 is the consequences of the word .The trinity on Earth

even a
Fundamentalist Should see that lay ed out.To not see that, is a disservice,two the author.
look how the victory lines up at the top.
look how the winepress's line up ,next down.
look at Earth Quakes and the Great river line up horizontally.
look at the promised White clothed protection line up horizontally.
look how come up my people lines up with come out my people.
look how the seals,1,2,3,4,5,6,7 line up with the trumpets,and vials line up with each other.
look how wormwood on water,blood on water,line up
look how burning mountain in sea ,and blood on sea ,line up.
look how the two Babylons line up with each other.
look how The Thunders start with a White Horse,and end with a White horse .

And that is just ten item's,there are germatria connections yet not seen,

If You don't see any of this in revelations ,You've lost before you even got started.walt2000

that_one_guy · Apr 30, 2010

this is what happens when people follow the mainstream tim lahay rubbish.... no secret rapture, sorry folks

walt2000 · Apr 30, 2010

walt2000 · Apr 30, 2010

no Rapture

Pete_Martinez · Apr 30, 2010

walt2000 said:

I got BINGO!

BestBeWishing · May 2, 2010

Thaddaeus said:

Beloved,
First off, the word "Rapture" is not in the Bible no-where, So as a Christain,

understand this, (This saying Rapture is the antichrist message when he come's)

"Come worship me I've come to fly you away" But instead he has come to decieve as

many as he can. This is why Jesus said (I will come as a thief in the night)

because so many will think they are allready with Jesus worshiping him, But it will be

Satan, The antichrist comes first on 666, Our Lord Jesus comes on 777. Satan comes

in healing the sick, maken the blind see again, maken the deaf hear again, maken folks

walk that has never walked. (Doing Good) Satan will look like Jesus, even scars on his

feet and hands where the nails where, snappping his fingers and maken fire come

from the clouds, "Super Powers like no one has ever seen"
( MANY WILL BE DECIEVED )

(lets look at where this doctrine comes from): 1 Thessalonians 4:17 , Then we which

are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the

Lord in the air;and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Satan turns this scripture and started this Rapture Doctrine. Satan uses Scripture to

decieve, and twist the word, come worship me I've come to fly you away.

(Dont be Decieved) Christains that think they will meet Jesus in the air in thier flesh

bodys need to read with understanding.

(now lets look at 1 Thessalonians 4:13-15) But I (thats Jesus talking) would not have

you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, ( asleep means those

that are all-ready dead, gone,) that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no

hope. ( Jesus is telling us not to cry over the dead we will see them again.)

4:14 For if we (that means Christains) believe that Jesus died and rose again ( This is

Jesus resurrection), even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him, ( we will see them again)

4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, ( ok here it is from the Lord )

that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

So this is saying when Jesus comes on 777, we that are still alive, WILL BE KILLED AS THE ONES ALREADY GONE. and this is not a rapture,
(BUT A RESURRECTION.)

4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of

the archangle, and with the trump of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first.

( So understand what he is saying, God will come down with a shout, a archangle will

sound the trumpet) Then those of us that have allready died will be rose first.)

4:17 Then we which are alive and remain ( on earth ) shall be caught up together with

them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air, and so shall we ever be with the lord.

( here we go again sharpen up) on 777 when Jesus comes, we which are alive and

still on earth liven, shall be killed, and we will rise to meet them in the air.

and this will be a RESURRECTION NOT a rapture
　
(The Sixth Trumph) a trump sounds alarms in Heaven. " a total of seven" Rev 8:6
(The Sixth Seal) Seals is the Wisdom of our Father Warnings,"seven of them" Rev 6:1
(The Sixth Vial) Vial's are the cups of God's Wrath that God allows the Angels to dumpout on Sinful Nations.a total of seven Rev 16:1
The book of Revalation means to make known,to reveal to us, of the end time's,on 666 the antichrist comes
in Rev 16:15 Jesus says behold I come as a thief in the night. Why because so many will allready think there worshiping him"but it will be the antichrist"
Jesus Comes on 777 wait for him dont be decieved
Hope this helps!
Ye must be Born Again! Flesh is Flesh, no Flesh and Blood shall see the Kingdom! we must be changed into our Spirital Bodys, When we as Christains died , we become a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN

ShelleBelle76 · May 2, 2010

BestBeWishing said:

How do you get that "we will be killed as the ones already gone" by this verse? Is that what "prevent them which are asleep" means? Where do you get that definition or translation?

Thanks.

VW · May 2, 2010

ShelleBelle76 said:

You are right, this is a really strange interpretation of this scripture. For in another place it says that we shall not all die, but when He descends from heaven into the clouds, the dead in Christ shall rise first, and we who remain will be changed and caught up together with them in the air, to be with the Lord forever.

Paul called this a mystery.

BestBeWishing · May 3, 2010

VW said:

we will be changed, means bye bye flesh, no we shall not all die, but changed to our spiritbodys

VW · May 3, 2010

BestBeWishing said:

Actually, it does not mean that. We must put off this corruption and put on our heavenly bodies. When we see Him, we will be changed to be just as He is. He is in a real body, flesh and blood, touchable and with the ability to eat and a lot of other things.

miktre · May 3, 2010

VW said:

Actually it does, Best is right.
50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Those of us that are still alive on earth are changed into our spiritual bodies. He has a real body but that does not mean flesh and blood just as an angel is real but not flesh and blood.

VW · May 3, 2010

miktre said:

Could the disciples touch Him?

Did He eat with them?

He put off His earthly body to put on His heavenly body. Still it is a body.

VW · May 3, 2010

And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.

This very flesh which we wear now will be raised up and changed to be like His, when we see Him.

Beloved, now we are the children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we shall be. We know that, when He appears, we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him just as He is. And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

I won't do as some and speculate about when He will appear to His bride, but I will say that when we see Him at His appearing, we will become just as He is, because we will see Him as He is.

I don't have to twist scripture to fit what I think it says, because I believe in the one who wrote it. It does not matter when He appears, only that I am there to see Him, whether asleep or awake, and when I see Him I will receive the finish of my adoption, and I will put off this mortality for immortality. I will put off this corruption for incorruption. I won't be groaning and travailing any more, because I will be rid of this body of death and will have put on the heavenly body that is after His body.

miktre · May 3, 2010

VW said:

Of coarse they could, no one ever said Christ was not born in the flesh and lived and died in the flesh. This is different from a spiritual(heavenly) body.

Nobody said a heavenly body isn't a body.

Jesus came in an earthly body to save us, angels are not flesh and blood. Flesh and blood ages and grows old.
9But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Shouldn't confuse the two very different bodies for even angels could touch men in the story of Lot and angels are not flesh and blood.

Rapture= false teaching

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