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ok let me get this straight believers of the word can be not yet saved.......and workers of the word are only the saved ones......... but so why then do you condem works so bad as if im boasting. ? when all i say works are essential to salvation... works are a fruit of goodness in you... like kindness and mercy..
So i dont show mercy i am mean hearted... if i do show it i am bornagain with a pure heart..
So i dont show mercy i am mean hearted... if i do show it i am bornagain with a pure heart..
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ok let me get this straight believers of the word can be not yet bsaved.......and workers of the word are only the saved ones......... but so why then do you condem works so bad as if im boasting. ? when all i say works are essential to salvation... works are a fruit of goodness in you... like kindness and mercy..
So i dont show mercy i am mean hearted... if i do show it i am bornagain with a pure heart..
So i dont show mercy i am mean hearted... if i do show it i am bornagain with a pure heart..
LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
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DiscipleDave
The Branch that is grafted into the Good Tree, WILL HAVE MUCH GOOD FRUITS
Woe to those who are grafted into the Good Tree, and produce bad fruits. Like Scriptures says and can't be broken, they will be cut off and burned in the fire.
It is my prayer and Hope that All who read this, are producing MUCH GOOD FRUIT, because Jesus Christ actually lives inside of them. Love lives in them, they WILL be producing Good Fruits.
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DiscipleDave
KJ21
Then said Jesus to those Jews who believed in Him, “If ye continue in My Word, then are ye My disciples indeed.
ASV
Jesus therefore said to those Jews that had believed him, If ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples;
AMP
So Jesus was saying to the Jews who had believed Him, “If you abide in My word [continually obeying My teachings and living in accordance with them, then] you are truly My disciples.
AMPC
So Jesus said to those Jews who had believed in Him, If you abide in My word [hold fast to My teachings and live in accordance with them], you are truly My disciples.
BRG
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
CSB
Then Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you continue in my word, you really are my disciples.
CEB
Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teaching.
CJB
So Yeshua said to the Judeans who had trusted him, “If you obey what I say, then you are really my talmidim,
CEV
Jesus told the people who had faith in him, “If you keep on obeying what I have said, you truly are my disciples.
DARBY
Jesus therefore said to the Jews who believed him, If ye abide in my word, ye are truly my disciples;
DLNT
Then Jesus was saying to the Jews having believed Him, “If you remain in My word, you are truly My disciples,
DRA
Then Jesus said to those Jews, who believed him: If you continue in my word, you shall be my disciples indeed.
ERV
So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you continue to accept and obey my teaching, you are really my followers.
ESV
So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples,
ESVUK
So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples,
EXB
So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you ·continue to obey my teaching [[SUP]L [/SUP]remain/abide in my word], you are truly my ·followers [disciples].
GNV
Then said Jesus to the Jews which believed in him, If ye continue in my word, ye are verily my disciples,
GW
So Jesus said to those Jews who believed in him, “If you live by what I say, you are truly my disciples.
GNT
So Jesus said to those who believed in him, “If you obey my teaching, you are really my disciples;
HCSB
So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, you really are My disciples.
ICB
So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you continue to obey my teaching, you are truly my followers.
ISV
So Jesus told those Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are really my disciples.
PHILLIPS
So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you are faithful to what I have said, you are truly my disciples. And you will know the truth and the truth will set you free!”
JUB
¶ Then Jesus said to those Jews who had believed him, If ye abide in my word, ye shall be my disciples indeed;
KJV
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
AKJV
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
LEB
Then Jesus said to those Jews who had believed him, “If you continue in my word you are truly my disciples,
TLB
Then many of the Jewish leaders who heard him say these things began believing him to be the Messiah. Jesus said to them, “You are truly my disciples if you live as I tell you to,
MSG
Then Jesus turned to the Jews who had claimed to believe in him. “If you stick with this, living out what I tell you, you are my disciples for sure. Then you will experience for yourselves the truth, and the truth will free you.”
MEV
Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you remain in My word, then you are truly My disciples.
MOUNCE
Jesus therefore said · to the Jews who had put their trust in him, “If you continue in · my word, · you are truly my disciples,
NOG
So Yeshua said to those Jews who believed in him, “If you live by what I say, you are truly my disciples.
NABRE
Jesus then said to those Jews who believed in him, “If you remain in my word, you will truly be my disciples,
NASB
So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;
NCV
So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you continue to obey my teaching, you are truly my followers.
NET
Then Jesus said to those Judeans who had believed him, “If you continue to follow my teaching, you are really my disciples
NIRV
Jesus spoke to the Jews who had believed him. “If you obey my teaching,” he said, “you are really my disciples.
NIV
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.
NIVUK
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, ‘If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.
NKJV
Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed.
NLV
He said to the Jews who believed, “If you keep and obey My Word, then you are My followers for sure.
NLT
Jesus said to the people who believed in him, “You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings.
NRSV
Then Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples;
NRSVA
Then Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, ‘If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples;
NRSVACE
Then Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, ‘If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples;
NRSVCE
Then Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples;
NTE
So Jesus spoke to the Judaeans who had believed in him. ‘If you remain in my word,’ he said, ‘you will truly be my disciples,
OJB
Therefore, Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach was saying to the Yehudim who had emunah in him, If you remain in the dvar of me [Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach], then you are my talmidim indeed.
RSV
Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples,
RSVCE
Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples,
TLV
Then Yeshua said to the Judeans who had trusted Him, “If you abide in My word, then you are truly My disciples.
VOICE
Jesus (to the new Jewish believers): If you hear My voice and abide in My word, you are truly My disciples;
WEB
Jesus therefore said to those Jews who had believed him, “If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples.
WE
Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, `If you obey my word, you are truly my disciples.
WYC
Therefore Jesus said to the Jews, that believed in him, If ye dwell in my word, verily ye shall be my disciples;
YLT
Jesus, therefore, said unto the Jews who believed in him, `If ye may remain in my word, truly my disciples ye are, and ye shall know the truth,
Then said Jesus to those Jews who believed in Him, “If ye continue in My Word, then are ye My disciples indeed.
ASV
Jesus therefore said to those Jews that had believed him, If ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples;
AMP
So Jesus was saying to the Jews who had believed Him, “If you abide in My word [continually obeying My teachings and living in accordance with them, then] you are truly My disciples.
AMPC
So Jesus said to those Jews who had believed in Him, If you abide in My word [hold fast to My teachings and live in accordance with them], you are truly My disciples.
BRG
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
CSB
Then Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you continue in my word, you really are my disciples.
CEB
Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teaching.
CJB
So Yeshua said to the Judeans who had trusted him, “If you obey what I say, then you are really my talmidim,
CEV
Jesus told the people who had faith in him, “If you keep on obeying what I have said, you truly are my disciples.
DARBY
Jesus therefore said to the Jews who believed him, If ye abide in my word, ye are truly my disciples;
DLNT
Then Jesus was saying to the Jews having believed Him, “If you remain in My word, you are truly My disciples,
DRA
Then Jesus said to those Jews, who believed him: If you continue in my word, you shall be my disciples indeed.
ERV
So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you continue to accept and obey my teaching, you are really my followers.
ESV
So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples,
ESVUK
So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples,
EXB
So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you ·continue to obey my teaching [[SUP]L [/SUP]remain/abide in my word], you are truly my ·followers [disciples].
GNV
Then said Jesus to the Jews which believed in him, If ye continue in my word, ye are verily my disciples,
GW
So Jesus said to those Jews who believed in him, “If you live by what I say, you are truly my disciples.
GNT
So Jesus said to those who believed in him, “If you obey my teaching, you are really my disciples;
HCSB
So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, you really are My disciples.
ICB
So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you continue to obey my teaching, you are truly my followers.
ISV
So Jesus told those Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are really my disciples.
PHILLIPS
So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you are faithful to what I have said, you are truly my disciples. And you will know the truth and the truth will set you free!”
JUB
¶ Then Jesus said to those Jews who had believed him, If ye abide in my word, ye shall be my disciples indeed;
KJV
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
AKJV
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
LEB
Then Jesus said to those Jews who had believed him, “If you continue in my word you are truly my disciples,
TLB
Then many of the Jewish leaders who heard him say these things began believing him to be the Messiah. Jesus said to them, “You are truly my disciples if you live as I tell you to,
MSG
Then Jesus turned to the Jews who had claimed to believe in him. “If you stick with this, living out what I tell you, you are my disciples for sure. Then you will experience for yourselves the truth, and the truth will free you.”
MEV
Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you remain in My word, then you are truly My disciples.
MOUNCE
Jesus therefore said · to the Jews who had put their trust in him, “If you continue in · my word, · you are truly my disciples,
NOG
So Yeshua said to those Jews who believed in him, “If you live by what I say, you are truly my disciples.
NABRE
Jesus then said to those Jews who believed in him, “If you remain in my word, you will truly be my disciples,
NASB
So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;
NCV
So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you continue to obey my teaching, you are truly my followers.
NET
Then Jesus said to those Judeans who had believed him, “If you continue to follow my teaching, you are really my disciples
NIRV
Jesus spoke to the Jews who had believed him. “If you obey my teaching,” he said, “you are really my disciples.
NIV
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.
NIVUK
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, ‘If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.
NKJV
Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed.
NLV
He said to the Jews who believed, “If you keep and obey My Word, then you are My followers for sure.
NLT
Jesus said to the people who believed in him, “You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings.
NRSV
Then Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples;
NRSVA
Then Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, ‘If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples;
NRSVACE
Then Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, ‘If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples;
NRSVCE
Then Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples;
NTE
So Jesus spoke to the Judaeans who had believed in him. ‘If you remain in my word,’ he said, ‘you will truly be my disciples,
OJB
Therefore, Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach was saying to the Yehudim who had emunah in him, If you remain in the dvar of me [Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach], then you are my talmidim indeed.
RSV
Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples,
RSVCE
Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples,
TLV
Then Yeshua said to the Judeans who had trusted Him, “If you abide in My word, then you are truly My disciples.
VOICE
Jesus (to the new Jewish believers): If you hear My voice and abide in My word, you are truly My disciples;
WEB
Jesus therefore said to those Jews who had believed him, “If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples.
WE
Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, `If you obey my word, you are truly my disciples.
WYC
Therefore Jesus said to the Jews, that believed in him, If ye dwell in my word, verily ye shall be my disciples;
YLT
Jesus, therefore, said unto the Jews who believed in him, `If ye may remain in my word, truly my disciples ye are, and ye shall know the truth,
This logic is flawed.
Tell me when Christ was crucified and rose again the third day and appeared to His Disciples. Did they believe that Jesus was in TRUTH the Son of God? This is a yes or no answer.
So they believed in Jesus, but were not yet baptized by the Holy Ghost yet. So believing is NOT being baptized.
Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
So then we are baptized by the Holy Ghost. This is the Baptism that is required for one to be SAVED, NOT water baptism.
Now in the above, the Disciples Believed but were not yet baptized by the Holy Ghost, for they have not yet received the Spirit, therefore your logic that you are baptized when you believe is flawed.
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Tell me when Christ was crucified and rose again the third day and appeared to His Disciples. Did they believe that Jesus was in TRUTH the Son of God? This is a yes or no answer.
So they believed in Jesus, but were not yet baptized by the Holy Ghost yet. So believing is NOT being baptized.
Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
So then we are baptized by the Holy Ghost. This is the Baptism that is required for one to be SAVED, NOT water baptism.
Now in the above, the Disciples Believed but were not yet baptized by the Holy Ghost, for they have not yet received the Spirit, therefore your logic that you are baptized when you believe is flawed.
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
ALL true believers are saved the moment they believe
nope. the thief on the cross had no chance for works, but he was saved the moment he appealed to Christ.
they are NOT essential to salvation. They are necessary to prove you are saved if time allows.
. a fruit not a necessity
in the right direction, although you can show mercy and be unregenerate.
nope. the thief on the cross had no chance for works, but he was saved the moment he appealed to Christ.
they are NOT essential to salvation. They are necessary to prove you are saved if time allows.
. a fruit not a necessity
So i dont show mercy i am mean hearted... if i do show it i am bornagain with a pure heart..