Not By Works

[Utah]

Sure many are called to love a life in righteousness towards being made holy. Few are chosen by the Father however. You think it is because you believe that you are found faithful? It is because of this work, Messiah's work on the stake that you even know of the need of salvation. It's just like the world is on fire and your position is to stand on the curb painted red with the blood of Messiah that says no parking. The other side is a green pasture full of grace and wonder but the church has put a stop sign up keeping many from taking a step to cross over to life. We are all on one or the other side of a mountain being asked to choose life and blessings or a curse and death. You are wrong! I have not picked up the law for my salvation neither do I do it because I must to be saved. I have thrown out the Sunday church worship because Sunday isn't Sabbath. I rejected Easter for the true festival of Passover. My Passover lamb is Yeshua Messiah. Etc... Don't forget the children of Israel melted gold in a furnace and worshipping the golden calf they fell to Elohim and where swallowed up by the grave. Do you think you are different? Do you think you can move forward with this knowledge of sinful worship and please him? No you have made Yeshua to be a lier by not guarding his rule of law as it is written. I would like to say law is of the spirit however your understanding showed me you aren't even understanding the basic truth of Scripture. Grace is the foundation of all faithful and obedient survants of YHWH Elohim from the beginning. This has not changed to my knowledge ever. You think I'm a legalistic observer because I said what I'm saved so I guard the Loving Instruction provided for us beforehand

You have failed to see how I do keep the commands. Instead you should have asked me instead of accusing me of sinning.

Hear that all you imperfect Christians? None of you are saved!











Yawn.

 

[JIMBO43]

Obedience in the New Covenant:

In loving God and others as Jesus says is the greatest commandment in the law in relation to obedience and it's relationship to the New Covenant command to believe in Christ and to walk in love.

Obedience to me is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man. It is not the root. It's the love of God and the life of Christ manifesting Himself in and through us to a hurt and dying world and to our fellow brethren.

It is not necessarily something "we do to be" but stems from something we "already are now" in Him and so we "do love" as we grow in our awareness of His love for us.

Works-based mindsets have this backwards and thus pervert the gospel of the grace of God in Christ.

We obey our Lord and Father because we know Him and trust in His character and obedience is not a set of rules that we follow, but a natural flow of the life of God in us built on a love-trust relationship. When you know the love of God for us we will obey Him naturally and effortlessly.

When our minds are renewed to the truth that is in Christ - we obey from our hearts effortlessly. It's a fruit of being in Christ.

I maintain that obedience is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man that is created in Christ. When we teach the grace of God this enables us to bear His fruit in and through us to reflect the true kingdom of the love and grace of God to a hurt and dying world.

Teach and preach who believers are in Christ because we are in union in one spirit with the Lord Jesus and they will "awake to righteousness" that is in them because they are a new creation in Him and sin not and walk in the good works that God has prepared for them.

if yo remain in obeying my teachings,,,, spoke by Jesus ye are a true deciple.... saved...........so if ye do good work daily this is also a sign that ye are saved.................

now if come tomorrow i become a mean old sod,,,,,,, then what wil happen if i stay that way for the rest of my days ?.

 

[FreeNChrist]

i don't understand how all of you have ears but can't hear. i have said over and over and over again, that i do not teach Works based Salvation. Yet over and over and over again, this is what this generation accuses me of. Why is that? i can only guess it is because you can't accuse me of ANYTHING else. You can't accuse me of teaching things contrary to Scriptures, because i don't. You can't accuse me of teaching to do evil, because i don't teach that. So the only thing you can really accuse me of, is making up something that you THINK i believe, and then use that to discredit me in some way.

People think i teach this:

Works = Salvation.

Therefore i get all kinds of comments like this poster has done here, accusing me of Works for Salvation. But i have never, nor did i ever teach any kind of works for Salvation teaching.

i will try to make this Bigger, because for some reason when i print it at normal size, it is not read nor comprehended by a few readers on this Thread. What i teach and believe is this:

Faith + Works = Salvation

This is what i believe. So please try to do the Godly thing and stop accusing me of believing in a works based Salvation, That is a flat out LIE, and a false accusation. God will judge anyone who falsely accuses His Children.

Believing in Jesus + Good fruits that are produced = Eternal Life
Believing in Jesus - Good fruits that are produced = Death

Because people do not believe this, they will say it is from me that teaches this, but it is from Scriptures, not from me. But since they can't use Scriptures to disprove anything that i say and teach, they attack me personally, that is all they can do, because they can't attack the words that i teach, because they are not contrary to Scriptures. So they attack me.

They can't discredit me using the Word of God, so they try to discredit me personally. Oh he said this, oh he said that. NOTHING contrary to the Word of God, only contrary to what they THINK is the TRUTH.

How do you try the spirits? Through the Word of God is how. If i am false, then God shall reveal it right? Yet no one has revealed it. God has not one time to any person reading this revealed something that i have taught that is not Scriptural. Why is that? Maybe because what i teach is from God, exactly as i have plainly said and did not lie.

The reason you don't believe me, is because i teach things contrary to what YOU think is the TRUTH. You are more willing to hold on to your doctrines that you heard from men or from your own thinking, than to listen to someone who tells you things that God has told him. If i come in my own name, you would listen and believe, but since i come in the name of God, you refuse it and will not listen. Because i say "God told me" which is TRUE, you will not hear me. Why? i can only suppose, that since He has not spoken to you audibly, He must not to anyone else. God has spoken to me since i was a kid. it is not my fault, nor God's that you refuse to believe that He does speak to His children today.

If what i teach i say comes from God, and you deny what i teach, who are you then denying? You would like to say "I am denying YOU" But i clearly say what i teach comes from Him, and nothing that i teach contradicts Scritpures which would PROVE that i am false. If i taught anything at all that is contrary to Scriptures than that is the PROOF that i am false, and a liar and not to be believed. But what have you against me? Scriptures? No, not in the slightest, you have false accusations, accusing me of things that i do not believe nor ever said. And why do you do that? Because you can't find one solitary verse in all of Scriptures that will reveal to the world that i am false, that i am lying. No all you have is your false accusations against me, and accusing me of things that i have not said, nor believe.

But i love you still. and forgive you.

Note: This was said to all, not just to the poster.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

LOL. Faith + Works = Salvation, IS "Works based Salvation".

 

[JIMBO43]

Minute 131-133 is spot on accurate. End of story.

i tend to agree.......

 

[Utah]

if yo remain in obeying my teachings,,,, spoke by Jesus ye are a true deciple.... saved...........so if ye do good work daily this is also a sign that ye are saved.................

now if come tomorrow i become a mean old sod,,,,,,, then what wil happen if i stay that way for the rest of my days ?.

Forgiven for not knowing the magnitude of your stupidity. That's what happens if you become a mean old sod. What's a sod?

 

[FreeNChrist]

well i am not ashamed to admit you do earn rewards,,,,, and going to heaven is a reward,,,, for service rendered..

Those who think such a thing are the very ones Jesus will say, "I never knew you" to. Hell is populated with those who would think such a thing.

 

[tourist]

Forgiven for not knowing the magnitude of your stupidity. That's what happens if you become a mean old sod. What's a sod?

Sod is grass.

 

[FreeNChrist]

True and they WILL be Loving One Another. They WILL be producing much Good fruits.




True. To GET SAVED requires no works at all. But once you ARE TRULY SAVED that is when you WILL HAVE much good fruits.

Joh_15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. These are not my words, they are the words of Jesus.

If i say. Those who do not bear good fruit will be taken away from Jesus. Is it me that is doing the condemning, or did Jesus just condemn those who do not produce good fruits?

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Already corrected you on that "get" nonsense. And the passage you are referencing is about fruit production, not salvation.

 

[JIMBO43]

Minute 131-133 is spot on accurate. End of story.

on second thoughts its not really the end of the story because to be gay is to reject christ.

 

[JIMBO43]

Forgiven for not knowing the magnitude of your stupidity. That's what happens if you become a mean old sod. What's a sod?

a grumpy old fish...

 

[JIMBO43]

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Seriously this made me cry.

What have i said that is so evil?
i tell you what God told me to tell you. And that is the God's honest Truth, or let me Die a horrible long painful death.
i teach "Love One Another"
i teach stop obeying satan.
i teach start obeying Jesus.
For which of these things do you say what you say above, that you should run away from?
Where is your Love? If Christ were in you, would you not have compassion for me? You would not say things that would make a person cry, hurtful. But even now, tears in my eyes, i forgive you.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Did you literally cry, cuz if not here lies an issue with the way you're working...

All liars shall burn in the lake of fire and brimstone. Rev 21:8.

Yes i seriously cried, shed tears. Why would i ever say something that is untrue. Know you not that there are those on these boards that will celebrate the day that i slip up and say something false? They will say. "We now have the proof he is a liar and a false prophet, he has lied. he has said something false."

The problem with this generation, when they read a thing, they automatically assume the worst. When i warn someone something, it is seen as condemning them. When i speak calm and soft, it is views as harsh and loud. The absolutely worst thing about these boards is you can hear the tone of people, nor see their body movements. This is why in everything i read, i try to give the benefit of the doubt and view everyone speaking in a soft, calm voice, pleasant, and receiving.

Most of the time when responding, i am sighing, sad even, that so many people refuse the TRUTH, which i say is from God. What i teach is from God and is the TRUTH, and who receives it? This indeed is very sad for me. Like i said, most of the time when i am responding to a post, i am sighing in sadness. Its like you love someone so much and you try to warn them about their wicked action, and they refuse to hear it, and anytime you even try to bring it up, because you love them, then get all the more upset and attack you. But the only reason you say anything at all, is because you love them and desire to see them in Heaven with you.

What i know is from God, and who will hear it? What God has told me is the narrow and difficult path that only a very few will find, and i mean a very few. So because i love, and desire them to know the TRUTH also, and tell them the TRUTH and who it is from, they refuse to believe me, and that is very sad indeed. You have no ideal the toll it takes on me teaching to a brick wall, knowing that it is a brick wall, bricks without ears, bricks that can't see, bricks that continually hurt me and say all manner of false things against me. Yes i cried. despite what people may believe on CC. i am a very compassionate person, i love everyone, and would help anyone. i pick up every hitchhiker i have ever seen if i was able to do so. And i purchase over $100.00 worth of $5.00 gift cards from various fast food restaurants to give to those people who beg at intersections. When i run out of gift cards i go buy more. i don't do this because i have to, or it is required for me to do to be Saved. i do that because LOVE lives inside of me. i have compassion on anyone who is in need, and i cry at any sad movie. Fox and the Hound was the first movie i ever cried over. sorry rambling. But now who will not reply and say "He is so boastful, full of himself" sigh... . ... . .The things that God has done through me, that is Truly Boastworthy, none of you will probably ever know.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[valiant]

walking in his new world will come to those who fort the good fight... a reward

no, we walk in the new world because we have been delivered by God. We get our rewards for fighting a good fight.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

i never said it was a chore. Loving One Another is a WORK.

The Branch that is grafted into the Good Tree, WILL HAVE MUCH GOOD FRUITS

Woe to those who are grafted into the Good Tree, and produce bad fruits. Like Scriptures says and can't be broken, they will be cut off and burned in the fire.

It is my prayer and Hope that All who read this, are producing MUCH GOOD FRUIT, because Jesus Christ actually lives inside of them. Love lives in them, they WILL be producing Good Fruits.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

You don't produce the fruit, God does. Stop thinking you are God.

And now i am being accused of thinking i am God. Hurtful accusations. And notice who likes these types of accusations against others.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[Utah]

a grumpy old fish...

Cool. Thanks bro.

 

[tourist]

a grumpy old fish...

Maybe that's a cod.

 

[Utah]

All liars shall burn in the lake of fire and brimstone. Rev 21:8.

Yes i seriously cried, shed tears. Why would i ever say something that is untrue. Know you not that there are those on these boards that will celebrate the day that i slip up and say something false? They will say. "We now have the proof he is a liar and a false prophet, he has lied. he has said something false."

The problem with this generation, when they read a thing, they automatically assume the worst. When i warn someone something, it is seen as condemning them. When i speak calm and soft, it is views as harsh and loud. The absolutely worst thing about these boards is you can hear the tone of people, nor see their body movements. This is why in everything i read, i try to give the benefit of the doubt and view everyone speaking in a soft, calm voice, pleasant, and receiving.

Most of the time when responding, i am sighing, sad even, that so many people refuse the TRUTH, which i say is from God. What i teach is from God and is the TRUTH, and who receives it? This indeed is very sad for me. Like i said, most of the time when i am responding to a post, i am sighing in sadness. Its like you love someone so much and you try to warn them about their wicked action, and they refuse to hear it, and anytime you even try to bring it up, because you love them, then get all the more upset and attack you. But the only reason you say anything at all, is because you love them and desire to see them in Heaven with you.

What i know is from God, and who will hear it? What God has told me is the narrow and difficult path that only a very few will find, and i mean a very few. So because i love, and desire them to know the TRUTH also, and tell them the TRUTH and who it is from, they refuse to believe me, and that is very sad indeed. You have no ideal the toll it takes on me teaching to a brick wall, knowing that it is a brick wall, bricks without ears, bricks that can't see, bricks that continually hurt me and say all manner of false things against me. Yes i cried. despite what people may believe on CC. i am a very compassionate person, i love everyone, and would help anyone. i pick up every hitchhiker i have ever seen if i was able to do so. And i purchase over $100.00 worth of $5.00 gift cards from various fast food restaurants to give to those people who beg at intersections. When i run out of gift cards i go buy more. i don't do this because i have to, or it is required for me to do to be Saved. i do that because LOVE lives inside of me. i have compassion on anyone who is in need, and i cry at any sad movie. Fox and the Hound was the first movie i ever cried over. sorry rambling. But now who will not reply and say "He is so boastful, full of himself" sigh... . ... . .The things that God has done through me, that is Truly Boastworthy, none of you will probably ever know.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Where's the grace?

 

[JIMBO43]

All liars shall burn in the lake of fire and brimstone. Rev 21:8.

Yes i seriously cried, shed tears. Why would i ever say something that is untrue. Know you not that there are those on these boards that will celebrate the day that i slip up and say something false? They will say. "We now have the proof he is a liar and a false prophet, he has lied. he has said something false."

The problem with this generation, when they read a thing, they automatically assume the worst. When i warn someone something, it is seen as condemning them. When i speak calm and soft, it is views as harsh and loud. The absolutely worst thing about these boards is you can hear the tone of people, nor see their body movements. This is why in everything i read, i try to give the benefit of the doubt and view everyone speaking in a soft, calm voice, pleasant, and receiving.

Most of the time when responding, i am sighing, sad even, that so many people refuse the TRUTH, which i say is from God. What i teach is from God and is the TRUTH, and who receives it? This indeed is very sad for me. Like i said, most of the time when i am responding to a post, i am sighing in sadness. Its like you love someone so much and you try to warn them about their wicked action, and they refuse to hear it, and anytime you even try to bring it up, because you love them, then get all the more upset and attack you. But the only reason you say anything at all, is because you love them and desire to see them in Heaven with you.

What i know is from God, and who will hear it? What God has told me is the narrow and difficult path that only a very few will find, and i mean a very few. So because i love, and desire them to know the TRUTH also, and tell them the TRUTH and who it is from, they refuse to believe me, and that is very sad indeed. You have no ideal the toll it takes on me teaching to a brick wall, knowing that it is a brick wall, bricks without ears, bricks that can't see, bricks that continually hurt me and say all manner of false things against me. Yes i cried. despite what people may believe on CC. i am a very compassionate person, i love everyone, and would help anyone. i pick up every hitchhiker i have ever seen if i was able to do so. And i purchase over $100.00 worth of $5.00 gift cards from various fast food restaurants to give to those people who beg at intersections. When i run out of gift cards i go buy more. i don't do this because i have to, or it is required for me to do to be Saved. i do that because LOVE lives inside of me. i have compassion on anyone who is in need, and i cry at any sad movie. Fox and the Hound was the first movie i ever cried over. sorry rambling. But now who will not reply and say "He is so boastful, full of himself" sigh... . ... . .The things that God has done through me, that is Truly Boastworthy, none of you will probably ever know.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

what was your last prohecy you recieved im curiouse

 

[valiant]

All liars shall burn in the lake of fire and brimstone. Rev 21:8.

Yes i seriously cried, shed tears. Why would i ever say something that is untrue. Know you not that there are those on these boards that will celebrate the day that i slip up and say something false? They will say. "We now have the proof he is a liar and a false prophet, he has lied. he has said something false."

We already say that.

The problem with this generation, when they read a thing, they automatically assume the worst. When i warn someone something, it is seen as condemning them. When i speak calm and soft, it is views as harsh and loud. The absolutely worst thing about these boards is you can hear the tone of people, nor see their body movements.

hear the tone? Another lie lol

This is why in everything i read, i try to give the benefit of the doubt and view everyone speaking in a soft, calm voice, pleasant, and receiving.

well so you should.

Most of the time when responding, i am sighing, sad even, that so many people refuse the TRUTH, which i say is from God.

But what you SAY doesn't make it so. You are self proclaimed. You need to sigh.

What i teach is from God and is the TRUTH, and who receives it? This indeed is very sad for me.

But often it is not. It is your wrong interpretation of Scripture.

Like i said, most of the time when i am responding to a post, i am sighing in sadness. Its like you love someone so much and you try to warn them about their wicked action, and they refuse to hear it, and anytime you even try to bring it up, because you love them, then get all the more upset and attack you. But the only reason you say anything at all, is because you love them and desire to see them in Heaven with you.

You see you are arrogant. You assume that if people disagree with you you are always right when you're not..

What i know is from God, and who will hear it?

But only you have the arrogance to make such a claim.

What God has told me is the narrow and difficult path that only a very few will find, and i mean a very few. So because i love, and desire them to know the TRUTH also, and tell them the TRUTH and who it is from, they refuse to believe me, and that is very sad indeed.

but that is because you teach falsehood. Most on here are true Christians, even though the disagree.

 

[Sully]

I have suspicion that there are several puppet accounts on this thread that account for an army of workers. Something doesn't sit well....