Helmet of "Hope of Salvation"

[JIMBO43]

Ive thought about this and maybe he will keep putting that bag of feathers under you each time you fall... but how he gets there in time if you do the unthinkable and make one of his little ones stumble... i guess he has boudries in my book.. but just loook how many people in this world make people stumble,,, be cause of greed.... this is one sin the lord detests,,, seing has he loves kindness,,, so i only hope i never do this,,,,,make one of his tumble.. stumble.).. same thing..

now if what i say makes this happen withou knowledge of what i was saying was wrong.. i guess i would own up to this and rebuke my self....

but the reality is we live in a fallen world....(sin city)... we have to hope to not become a part of this sin and we must pray for the lord to deliver us from evil daily...

This is hope...(works)... simply put..) its also devine prayer for the lord to give us a way as he is the waymaker... just like noew i can feel him move on this thread to ask you to follow his hope... his works,,, that you hope for such as he suggest,,, and that is putting on the helmet of hope for salvation..

 

[valiant]

Think about this: All i have done is give Scriptures which teach NOT to sin, what have you done? You have taken them and interpreted them to mean something other than that. i teach not to obey satan and commit sin, you must believe it is OK to commit sin, because you sure went through a lot of trouble to teach against most of the verses which teach not to sin.

The Scriptures tell us not to sin, but at the same time they recognise that we will sin. And it because we are sinners even though God has begun the work (which he will complete) of saving us,

Here is one thing that is TRUE. What i teach, i live.

you must have a very low view of sin.

You say it is not possible, i live it.

Let him that thinks that he stands beware lest he fall.

i know all things are possible to them that know God.

no man is sinless however well he knows God.

When God told a man and a woman to "Go and sin no more" He was not telling them to do something that was impossible to do, hard and difficult, yes, but not impossible.

Actually it was a woman. But He meant 'that type of sin'.

Those who think they can't cease from sin are indeed cursed children.

their Father says it, and He is GOD,

and those who think they don't have to cease from obeying satan and continue to live in sin, will be weeping and gnashing their teeth when they are not taken with Jesus Christ, who plainly and clearly taught, that HE does not know anyone who practices iniquity

Where does He say that? You are deceived.

To practice something is to do it over and over and over again.

And you do it every day. Do you truly love God with heart soul mind and strength all day, every day? You break the greatest command of all. You know you do and so do I.

Woe to this generation who will excuse their own sinning, and then ignore, make void, or interpret any verse in Scriptures which says to stop sinning, stop obeying satan, to mean something else. This post is a evident of such interpretations.

That post is a sign of your ignorance. You just assume the worst.

Look at it. instead of merely believing what the Word of God says, they have to go to the Hebrew,

It is the hebrew which is the word of God.

they have to interpret words to mean this or mean that, they do whatever it takes NOT to believe what the verse actually says and teaches, reprobate minds.

you mean you ignore good sense and sound exegesis.

 

[mailmandan]

How is believing and OBEYING this verse:

There is nothing wrong with striving to obey that verse. Jesus cannot compromise His perfect, holy standard so don't expect that verse to say, "Awake to righteousness, and just sin a little bit." It doesn't mean that we "must or else" live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time. If it did then 1 John 1:8-2:1 would be superfluous.

1Co_15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Verses like this seem to really tickle your ears because you are under the delusion that you have no sin at all (PRESENT TENSE) 1 John 1:8.

Twisting it? Please tell me, how it is not YOU that twists that verse to mean something other than what it plainly says and teaches. Seriously, explain how me believing and obeying that verse is twisting it? lol. say i am twisting, when it is you that twists the Scriptures to mean something other that what it actually says. i can even prove it, if you will answer. What does the above verse mean, please explain what the above verse means. and let us see who twists what? lol.

You twist it by forcing it to teach sinless perfection or else! I'm not the one who twists the Scriptures by forcing them to teach sinless perfection or else. Yet I know the Lord is not going to compromise His perfect, holy standard and that is what we are to strive for. Do you tell your children "stay out of trouble" or "just get into a little bit of trouble?" Yet you know they will not be perfect.

So you testify that you believe that MAN Mr Robertson, over a person who says GOD told them. That reveals a lot.

There have been many false prophets who claim to hear from God. Mr Robertson is a believer and a Greek scholar. Why should I believe you over him? 1 John 1:8 clearly states - If we say we have no sin, (PRESENT TENSE) we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. You claim to have no sin (PRESENT TENSE). That reveals a lot.

There has been a troll on CC who has created multiple accounts, yet keeps getting banned who is pushing your sinless perfection doctrine. You can read his nonsense here - http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/149726-good-news.html

So your calling me a LIAR. Which Rev 21:8 plainly teaches that ALL LIARS shall burn in the lake of fire and brimstone. So you think that i am now lying to you about this?

Apart from the blood of Christ, we are all liars. If you claim to be without sin (PRESENT TENSE) then according to 1 John 1:8, you are deceived and the truth is not in you.

i have sinned plenty. i have sinned. i have sinned. i have not, nor ever stated that i HAVE NO SIN in my life. Not once have i claimed that, nor believe that. Tell me. if i no longer continue to live in sin, how is that saying "i have no sin"? i am not saying "i have no sin" i have made it plainly known that i have probably sinned more than all reading this combined, and that is probably true. i have sinned plenty, that has NOTHING to do with how i am living now. i have sinned, i no longer continue to obey satan and live in sin.

You admit to sin in the PAST, yet you claim to have no sin (PRESENT TENSE) so 1 John 1:8 remains your achilles heel.

If then it is True that i do all things to please Jesus Christ, how are you not now calling that which is good evil by saying you are showing your true colors, i say that i do ALL things to please Jesus Christ, which is TRUE, God is my witness, let me die if it is a lie. But you call me a LIAR. If you think i have done or said something sinful then point it out.

Don't be so quick to boast in your goodness. I did not call you a liar, but I believe you are DECEIVED. You claim to be without sin (PRESENT TENSE), yet 1 John 1:8 says if we say we have no sin (PRESENT TENSE) we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. I just pointed it out. I don't need to take any further inventory. Your true colors are showing.

You have to believe the way you do, because if you believed that a person through the strength of Jesus Christ could walk even as Jesus walked, then that would mean you would have to give up sinning in your life, and we just can't have that. No sir.

Straw man argument. Continue to meditate on 1 John 1:8.

Anyone who teaches you can stop sinning must be evil. Yes Sir, anyone who teaches you can stop obeying satan through the help of Jesus Christ must be off their rockers. Yeah i totally understand, you choose to swallow the blue pill, because the red pill is just too hard for you to do, quit sinning. NO Sir. the blue pill teaches continue to obey His enemy and still go to Heaven, all you have to do is believe. The red pill, well you would just have to lose your life for Jesus. Give up all selfish sinning.

You choose to swallow the blue pill, because the red pill exposes you as having sin (PRESENT TENSE) "not sinless perfection" and it's too hard for you to swallow your pride and admit you are not sinless 100% of the time. Being deceived and not having the truth in you (1 John 1:8) is not descriptive of losing your life for Jesus.

i highlighted above what is apparent you did not understand. i know this generation which takes the woman and teaches what you say here to negate what Jesus actually said, as if He should have said it the way you are saying it. But you conveniently did not explain why Jesus told the Man to "Go and Sin no more". Why? Because you can't use the same logic to disclaim what Jesus said as He did to the woman. Wander why? Because they can't change the Words of the Lord to fit their own agenda. What sin did the man do? Why would Jesus our Lord and Savior tell a man and a woman to "Go and sin no more" if that is not EXACTLY what He wanted them to do.

Because Jesus cannot compromise His perfect, holy standard. He is not going to say, "just go and sin a little bit." That is what we are to STRIVE for, but we are not sinless 100% of the time. You are not sinless 100% of the time (1 John 1:8-2:1). Come down off your high horse and face the truth.

This generation is so steeped into the lies of satan they are blind to the TRUTH of Scriptures, and why? Because they love to sin, and are not willing to give it up. That is the TRUTH. There is no sin that you do that you can't cease from. Why then are you continuing to live in them? Because you love it. Who willingly commits a sin that they don't WANT to commit?

It's you who is steeped into the lies of satan because you believe you are sinless and perfect 100% of the time in the PRESENT TENSE (1 John 1:8).

YOu do error if you think it is me that is saying that. i am not saying that, this verse plainly teaches that.

2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, AND that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

This chapter is about false prophets/teachers, not Christians who fall short of sinless perfection. Cannot cease from sin means without cessation, not pausing, unable to stop. This pattern marks them as those who are not born of God - "no one who is born of God (present tense = continually) practices sin (1 John 3:9).

This verse, not i, teaches that those who have eyes full of adultery (PORN), AND can't cease from sin, are cursed children.

This verse is describing false prophets/teachers, not Christians who fall short of sinless perfection.

And as to your statement that it is i that just called a multitude of Christians children of the devil, you do error yet again, it is not i that teaches that, but the Word of God plainly teaches that.

No, it's you who errors again and again.

1Jn_3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1 John 3:10 - By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother. This does not mean sinless perfection.

So then according to this inspired by God, HOLY Scripture, the children of the devil are those doeth not righteousness (Failing to do that which is Godly and Right) And also teaches the children of the devil are those who do not LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

Children of God practice righteousness and not sin (which does not mean sinless perfection) and they love their brother.

YOU say they trusted in their works for Salvation, because you refuse to see the TRUTH that it was their LACK of works, their LACK of Loving One Another that prevented them from being with Jesus.

They did trust in their works for salvation and NOT in CHRIST ALONE. In regards to Matthew 7:21-23, I'll never forget, prior to my conversion several years ago, while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I read Matthew 7:22 and thought to myself, wow! These many people accomplished all of that, "prophesied in His name, cast out demons, and did many wonderful works" but that still was not "good enough?" Then I thought to myself at that time, how am I going to "top that" and be "good enough?" Such is the mindset of someone who believes that salvation is by works.

Matthew 7:21 - Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

These many people (unbelievers) in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in their works to save them and NOT IN CHRIST ALONE. Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were NEVER saved. Their hearts were not right with God, so their attempted external obedience was stained with sin. *Seeking salvation by works is not the will of the Father.

John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge. These many people were not true converts.

Without faith it's impossible to please God no matter how many alleged wonderful works that these many people set out to conjure up through the flesh. This is why Jesus referred to them as WORKERS OF INIQUITY/LAWLESSNESS! They were self righteous.

The parable plalinly teaches when you do it not for the least, you are not doing for Christ. When you don't give to charities, you are not giving to Christ, When you don't feed the hungry, you not feeding Christ. When you don't cloth the naked, you are not clothing Christ. This generation fails miserably to understand the main point of that parable. You justify your own selves by saying those are people trying to do Works for their Salvation. Which is totally an illogical conclusion, because those did NOT have any works at all. If they would have clothed the naked, Jesus would never have said "When you did not cloth the naked you did not cloth me" Why? Because they never clothed the naked, they never fed the hungry, then never did any works at all, WHY? Because Jesus was NOT in them, even though these same called Jesus "LORD" Is it not written that no man can call Jesus "LORD" but by the Holy Ghost. These called Jesus "LORD" but why were they refused, not because they believed in the LORD, they did, because they called Jesus "LORD" They were rejected because they had no LOVE one for another in their hearts. They did not help the needy, feed the hungry, give to the poor, visit the sick, and the such, they believed ONLY, but had NO WORKS.

Jesus was not in them because they were UNBELIEVERS. Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were NEVER saved. They simply believed "mental assent" in the existence of the Lord, but they did not believe/trust in the Lord as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation. Genuine, saving faith in Christ works through love (Galatians 5:6). These many people in Matthew 7:22-23 did not have saving faith in Christ. I pray that the Lord will open your eyes to the truth and you will snap out of your sinless perfection delusion.

 

[mailmandan]

When God saves someone He gives then rebirth and makes them new creatures (Tit 3.5). Thus is it IMPOSSIBLE to be saved and not produce the result. But Salvation means GOD saving. And when He does it He does it for ever.

YOUR God apparently doesn't save.

Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice, And does not forsake His saints; They are preserved forever, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

How is believing and OBEYING this verse :

1Co_15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Twisting it? Please tell me, how it is not YOU that twists that verse to mean something other than what it plainly says and teaches. Seriously, explain how me believing and obeying that verse is twisting it? lol. say i am twisting, when it is you that twists the Scriptures to mean something other that what it actually says. i can even prove it, if you will answer. What does the above verse mean, please explain what the above verse means. and let us see who twists what? lol.

1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

And there you have it, proof that you do not believe the verse and what it says. Notice how you did NOT explain what the VERSE means, but have taken a part of that verse and explained that part only. Did anyone else catch that?

2 Corinthians 3:14

But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

Romans 3:21-22
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

NONE of this explains what 1 Cor 15:34 means. wow. You use 2 Cor 3:14 which is specifically talking about those under the old covenant, trying to live by the LAW. How does that explain 1 Cor 15:34? You then reference Matthew 13:13 are you now suggesting that 1 Cor 15:34 is a parable? And you use Romans 3:21-22 to explain what "Awake to Righteousness" means. Would you be so kind as to explain the rest of the verse? i asked you if you could explain what that verse means. i know what it means to awake to righteousness, i would like you to explain the rest of the verse, specifically the part that we were discussing, please try to stay on topic, the SIN NOT, part. Please explain what that part means.

So are you looking for sinlessness or many works? What works are you looking for?

What are you talking about? What do you mean am i looking for sinlessness? What do you mean am i looking for many works? What are you talking about brother?

Just the statement that you believe and OBEY verses in the bible already tells me you don't have elementary understanding of yourself or the Lord Jesus Christ.

So if a person says they believe and obey a verse in the Bible, they lack elementary understanding of themselves and the Lord Jesus Christ. Seriously that is what you are trying to feed people?

Hint #1 - Show somewhere where the Lord Jesus Christ tells someone congratulations on their sinlessness and perfect obedience.

Can't, because that is found nowhere in all of Scriptures, nor have i said otherwise. i obey Jesus in all things, not because i am able to do that through and by myself. i am able to do that because of Him who lives in me. When satan tempts me, i look to Jesus to help me, i pray for His Strength and Power to overcome that temptation. Why would Jesus congratulate me for something that He does in me? That makes no since at all. i walk as i do, not because of me, or what i have done, or haven't done, i walk as Jesus walked because He is in me. Without Jesus nobody can walk like He walked, nobody!!!! But WITH Jesus all things are possible to them that believe. But if you don't believe that Jesus can help a person to walk like He did, what is that to me?

Hint #2 - The reason the Lord Jesus doesn't congratulate anyone on their performance is because there is only One whose performance is up to par. (See Matthew 5:48)

True, and if Jesus is TRULY in a person, that person will be full of Good Fruits, NOT because of that person, but because of Him who resides in that person.

I wish I could open the eyes of the blind and heal the lepers. I wish I could do those works. But there is only One. You have to go to Him for these Good Works. There are so few who understand this.

Agreed, so if i lay my hands on a dead person, and pray for Jesus to bring that person back to life, and Jesus does it. It is not i that performed that miracle but He that lives in me. So then when satan comes to tempt me to do something that is sinful, and i look to Jesus for help, and He helps me overcome that temptation and i do NOT commit sin, it is HE in me that has overcome that temptation and not me. You wish you could open the eyes of the blind and heal the lepers is something you or i will never be able to do miraculously, only Jesus in a person can do that. And your right, few understand that.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

1Th_5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

Why do you think the Holy Inspired by God Scriptures instructs us to put on the helmet "The HOPE of Salvation"

Why HOPE?

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DiscipleDave

Hope because it is the glorious hope we look forward to. We have not yet seen our final salvation, therefore we are looking forward to it with hope and expectancy. what we have not yet seen why do we hope confidently for it? Because what is our future is as certain as if we could see it.

i agree with this. you use the words final salvation above. So if we are to look forward to, and hope for this final Salvation, then it is something that we do not have NOW. If you had it now, you would see your Glorified bodies and be with Christ and never hunger and thirst again. But we don't have it now, that is why the Apostle Paul referred to it as a Race, you don't have the prize until the end of the Race, even though we are a part of that Race, the prize is when the Book of Life is opened on Judgment Day and our name if found within, and we are taken up with Him, and receive our Glorified bodies. That is the Prize, that is actually SAVED, that is the final Salvation as you referred to it.

i am Saved today. if i die or am killed right now, i know my name is in the Book of Life, and on Judgment Day, i will rise and receive the prize of Eternal Life with Jesus Christ. But will i be Saved and my name still written in the Book of Life when in a year from now i am raped by a gang, attract the AIDS virus, and they beat me so bad that i am maimed for life, and i curse God for letting that happen to me, i deny that there is a God, i choose to fall away from God myself. Will my name still be written in the Book of Life on Judgement Day? What? Many of you will say then i was not Truly Saved. Seriously, right now, i am not TRULY Saved? So then by that same logic, if you claim to be Saved today, and know that you are Saved, yet a year from now, you turn away from God for whatever reason, that would then mean you were not TRULY SAVED today, seriously that is your logic? Anyone who GETS Saved there name is written in the Book of Life that very moment. That does not mean your name can't be blotted out as Scriptures plainly indicates it can be blotted out, in the future.

i put on the Helmet of Hope of Salvation, because i hope that on judgement Day my name is still in the Book of Life, because i HOPE this, i guard myself with the help of Jesus to guide me. So it is my hope that no matter what happens to me in this life, that i will remain steadfast in the Lord Jesus Christ. May He always be my Strength and Power to overcome any obstacle that satan throws at me. Or any test that God may decide to test me with.



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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

When God saves someone He gives then rebirth and makes them new creatures (Tit 3.5).

According to Scriptures are they not a new creature when they no longer do the deeds of the old man? So tell me, what about those who claim to be a new creature, claim to have rebirth, claim to be SAVED, yet they are still practicing the deeds of the old man? What about them? You are absolutely right, when a person GETS SAVED should be a NEW CREATURE, no longer doing the deeds of the old man, they will have a NEW HEART, they will be different.

Here is the problem though especially in these last days. people claim to be a new creature, but they are still in every way the old creature. They have not changed at all, their heart is still the same as it was before they accepted Christ as their Savior and Lord. They are still doing the same deeds as they did as the old man. Therein is the problem with the Christians of today. NOT the TRUE Christians, but talking about those who claim to be Christians and are not according to the Word of God.

The Word plainly teaches that we are grafted into the Good TREE and we WILL produce Good Fruits. This is True for all TRUE Christians. The problem is those who claim they are grafted in the Good TREE, yet produce bad fruits, all the while thinking and claiming that they are a part of that Good TREE. But what does Jesus plainly teach against those who are in that Good Tree, but produce bad fruits.

Joh_15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

How many people today claim that Jesus is in them, yet they have no fruits at all? And if they do have fruits they are bad fruits. NOTE: Not talking about True Christians, only talking about those who claim to be Christians and they have no fruits at all. Which is NOT YOU, i hope.

Thus is it IMPOSSIBLE to be saved and not produce the result. But Salvation means GOD saving. And when He does it He does it for ever.

And when does everlasting life start? Serious question. If you are SAVED right now, and you claim to HAVE everlasting life right now, how then can you die or be killed? If then you can die today, tomorrow, or you can be killed today, tomorrow, how do you say you have Eternal Life. Eternal Life means you can't die, you can't be killed. So then just because you claim to be SAVED today, does not mean you have Eternal Life TODAY. Eternal Life is granted to those when the Book of Life is opened on Judgment Day, NOT BEFORE that day. When the Book is opened and my name is found there, i, the man DisicpleDave will die, and immediately be in my Glorified Body with a new name and be granted Everlasting life to where i will never die. This granting of EVERLASTING LIFE is given on Judgement Day, NOT BEFORE THAT DAY. ON that day if your name is found in the Book of Life, it is on that day you will be Raptured and taken up with Him, and be granted Everlasting Life. And you are right, He does that forever. But only on that day.

YOUR God apparently doesn't save.

How is that apparent? Please explain what i have said that make you think God doesn't Save.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

When God told a man and a woman to "Go and sin no more" He was not telling them to do something that was impossible to do, hard and difficult, yes, but not impossible.

Actually it was a woman. But He meant 'that type of sin'.

And you now have revealed that you don't know Scriptures.

Joh_5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth HIM in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

Joh_8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

So am i to believe Jesus Christ and what He actually said, or believe you that teaches He actually meant something else? Most everyone uses this same logic when concerning the woman, because her sin was made known, that it was that particular sin that Jesus was meaning for her to quit. And i always ask and what sin did the man do that He meant to say for that man to quit. i thank God that Jesus told a Man and a woman. Because people of this generation interpret what Jesus told the woman to mean something other than what He said to her. i thank God that He also told a MAN that same statement "Go and sin no more" and people in this generation can't use the same logic they use to dismiss what Jesus said to the woman. They can't explain why He said the same thing to that man using the same logic. Thank you Jesus. Maybe when you said to that MAN and to that WOMAN "Go and sin no more" you meant what you said. leave it to this last days generation to say you meant something else when you said that. i am thankful what you actually say is TRUTH, and what people say you meant can and usually is corrupted.

and those who think they don't have to cease from obeying satan and continue to live in sin, will be weeping and gnashing their teeth when they are not taken with Jesus Christ, who plainly and clearly taught, that HE does not know anyone who practices iniquity

Where does He say that? You are deceived.

Again revealing your lack of knowledge of the Scriptures. Have you even read the entire Bible ONCE? i have read it over 80 times in my life front to back and listen to it for 8 hours a day through my iphone, and you are saying i am the one deceived.

Luk_13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

Mat_13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Mat_7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

iniquity is sinning.

And you do it every day. Do you truly love God with heart soul mind and strength all day, every day? You break the greatest command of all. You know you do and so do I.

Please speak for your own self. Because i do all things to please Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior. True i have no life, i have no friends. Why, because i hate sin. i abhor sinning. i know that to obey sin, is to obey my Lord and Saviors enemy.
Do i love God with ALL my heart? Yes.
Do i love God with ALL my strength? Yes.
Do i love God with ALL my mind? Yes, save from my dreams sometimes. But conscience mind, YES.
Do i love God with ALL my soul? Yes.

i live, eat and breath Jesus Christ. And here is the kicker. If i can do it. SO CAN YOU. Yes, i am most certainly a Jesus Freak and have been called that a lot in my life. Again, i do all things to please Him. So can you.

Woe to this generation who will excuse their own sinning, and then ignore, make void, or interpret any verse in Scriptures which says to stop sinning, stop obeying satan, to mean something else. This post is a evident of such interpretations.

That post is a sign of your ignorance. You just assume the worst.

Did i call you ignorant above for not knowing Jesus told a Man to Go and sin no more? Did i call you ignorant because you didn't know that Jesus will send away all those who live in sin? No. You will know who is in whose heart by their fruits as does Scriptures teach.

Look at it. instead of merely believing what the Word of God says, they have to go to the Hebrew,

It is the hebrew which is the word of God.

So according to you a person must become Learned in order to understand the Truth. lol. i studied Hebrew, Greek, Arabic, and Latin. All of it DUNG compared to what God has told me. God does not want us to learn Hebrew or Greek. He wants us to merely believe the Word of God as a child. Believe it because that is what it says. It is not His desire that we dissect the Word. It is not His desire that we study Hebrew and Greek and the such. He wants us to come to Him in prayer asking Him to reveal the TRUTH to us. i studied Hebrew and Greek because that is what "I wanted to do" God did not tell me to go and do that nonsense. God desires to reveal to us His TRUTHS via the Holy Ghost. Not via Hebrew, Greek, lost books, other doctrines, dogma, or whatever else is out there. He wants to reveal it to us through HIM.

they have to interpret words to mean this or mean that, they do whatever it takes NOT to believe what the verse actually says and teaches, reprobate minds.

you mean you ignore good sense and sound exegesis.

Again with the hurtful remarks. Who in you prompts you to say these kind of things. It is not the Holy Ghost. The Holy Spirit of God is LOVE, kindness, caring, careful NOT to say things that are hurtful, Does not name call, nor falsely accuse anyone of anything. Fruits reveal who has LOVE in them or not.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

1Co_15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Verses like this seem to really tickle your ears because you are under the delusion that you have no sin at all (PRESENT TENSE) 1 John 1:8.

What sin do you convict me of? Monday through Friday i wake get in my car, crosses on my mirror, i think of Jesus. i drive an hour to work. listen to Christian music, or listen to Bible on my iPhone, or pray. i have Jesus stickers all over my bumper, so i make sure to do the best i can to represent Jesus Christ in my driving. Don't want to cut off someone and they read Try Jesus bumper sticker. So i drive courteous as i can representing Jesus Christ in my car. i get to work, i make sure my cross necklace is out of shirt, visible to all, because i am not ashamed of Jesus Christ, and in all of my actions will be representing Jesus Christ. i usually work by myself, which is what i prefer, so i can listen to the Bible on my iPhone. Get off work, i drive Home again, praying, or listening to Christian music, or the Bible. i get home shower and make myself something to eat, Get on CC, or Read the Bible, or work on the Website, or work on my podcasting, or go to yahoo answers, or other messageboards, i think i belong to about 5 of them. i don't watch TV at all, i have netflix and occasionally watch Frasier and most all of the religious programs i can find. i also play a couple iPhone games. i then sit in my recliner and pray, and then go to bed. Oh just in case your wandering, i don't look at porn of any kind or in any form. So what sin do you convict me of during my normal work days? If you can point it out, i will be able to correct it, through the help of Jesus Christ of coarse.

Weekends, if i am not helping somebody paint this, or fix that, or repair that, or build that, or what have you, i am working on a house that i am living in. i have also been called a "Jack of all trades" i bought a house for 14,000 dollars and to say it is a fixer-upper is an understatement. At one time it appraised for something like $160,000. It was passed off from one bank to another. nobody could sell it. It had 5 holes in the roof, sat empty for several years. black mold every where. Mushrooms growing in the carpet. Anyways, that is what i do most Saturdays, either helping people or fixing the house that i live in. Well currently i just live in the frontroom, but working on the rest of the house, Lord willing. Sunday, i do no work at all. Way back in the day i though Sunday was the Sabbath, and made a vow to God that i would not work on Sundays from now till death. And i have stood True to that vow. i will not work on Sunday. Even now, Sunday, i have been on CC for over 8 hours now, my butt is kind of sore. Probably need to take a break, and watch a Frasier or something. But like all other days. When it is time for bed, i sit in the recliner and pray and then go to bed. Tell me, what sin did i commit over the weekend?

You don't know me at all. And for you to judge me by saying i am delusioned, and for what? because i say i don't sin. God is my witness this day that i am telling you the TRUTH. What is it to me if you don't believe Jesus inside a person can actually do that? With Jesus i can do all things. And let me tell you something that you probably don't want to hear. But with Jesus living in you, YOU CAN DO IT TOO. Oh but you must be willing to die for Him. The life you have now, will cease to be. you will lose family, you will lose friends, and you will lose pleasing your flesh. You will lose your life as you know it, and He will give you another one that very few will live. But for Jesus Christ it is worth it. He gave His life for me, i in a like manner have given my life to Him. i do all things to please Jesus Christ. What is it to me, if you don't believe that?


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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

There have been many false prophets who claim to hear from God. Mr Robertson is a believer and a Greek scholar. Why should I believe you over him? 1 John 1:8 clearly states - If we say we have no sin, (PRESENT TENSE) we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. You claim to have no sin (PRESENT TENSE). That reveals a lot.

You have ears but you are not listening. i have made it clear that i HAVE sinned much. i have never said nor will i ever say "I Have No sin" That is something that YOU keep on saying i think and believe. i have made it clear that i have sinned plenty. Anyone who thinks they Have no sin, is not of God. But you seem to fail to understand, maybe your unable to, i don't know. Is that if i say i no longer continue to commit sin against Jesus Christ, that is somehow saying to you that i think i have no sin. i am going to make this bold and big, because this size text for some reason is not getting though. Please pay attention:

I HAVE SINNED PLENTY


So then i am not one of those who claim they have no sin, like you keep on saying. What? If a person says "I have not sinned all day today" Do you claim they are a liar and deceived? Really? Any person who claims they Have not sinned today is a liar according to mailmandan, is that correct? That is what you are implying most assuredly. Because if i say i no longer sin, i am a liar as well. Just because i say i no longer sin, does not mean i will not stumble in the future. But that also does not change the TRUTH that as of right now, today, this week, this month, i have not sinned, nor will i continue to sin in any fashion whatsoever. Will i commit sin in the future. That is very likely. i may cuss when a hammer hits my thumb, which is something i have not done in years, but not saying it is not possible to do in the future. i may sin unaware, i may eat a steak in front of a vegetarian who will get offended by my doing so. NOT that i did it on purpose , but a sin none-the-less because i caused a brother or sister to be offended. i may see a naked lady running across the street, and because i looked upon her nakedness commit sin. Just because i say i no longer continue to sin, does not mean "i have no sin". Just because i say i no longer continue to sin, does not mean i will not stumble.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

There has been a troll on CC who has created multiple accounts, yet keeps getting banned who is pushing your sinless perfection doctrine. You can read his nonsense here - http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/149726-good-news.html

You see, you call it a sinless perfection doctrine, when it is not that at all, that is something YOU call it to make what i teach seem to be wicked and evil. i teach what Scriptures teach. If Scriptures teach to Awake to righteousness and sin not, if i teach the same exact thing, YOU say it is sinless perfection doctrine. If Scriptures teach that Jesus told a man and a woman to "Go and sin no more" that can be explained or interpreted away. But if i teach the exact same things Jesus did, then it is a sinless perfection doctrine. If Scriptures teaches against sinning, that is fine, but if i teach against sinning that is sinless perfection doctrine. If Scriptures teach to be PERFECT, to be HOLY, to be unblameable, that is fine, but if i teach that exact same thing, then it is sinless perfections doctrine according to YOU. So then it seems to me, if i teach exactly what Scriptures teach, then Scriptures must also be a sinless perfection doctrine.
Scriptures teaches to get rid of the sin that so easily besets you. If i teach that also to get rid of the sin that so easily besets you then YOU say i teach a sinless perfection doctrine. IS anybody else seeing this? i teach what Scriptures teach, you do not believe me, because you do not believe Scriptures. OH you will say you believe Scriptures, but you don't believe what it says, you HAVE to change the meaning of the verse in order for you to believe that verse. The verse that says "Shall we continue in sin? God forbid" This is saying NO, the answer to that question is NO, but you don't believe that do you? Therefore that verse needs to be changed to mean something else. Here is the proof. Tell us now, what that verse means, and let us see if you don't change it to means something else.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[notmyown]

DiscipleDave, do you mind me asking how long you've lived in your house?

 

[DiscipleDave]

So your calling me a LIAR. Which Rev 21:8 plainly teaches that ALL LIARS shall burn in the lake of fire and brimstone. So you think that i am now lying to you about this?

Apart from the blood of Christ, we are all liars.

A liar is anyone who continues to lie.

If you claim to be without sin (PRESENT TENSE) then according to 1 John 1:8, you are deceived and the truth is not in you.

sigh... . . . .. . i have never claimed to be without sin. But have been clear that i have sinned much. You are accusing me of things that are simply not True, but only in your head are they true.

You admit to sin in the PAST, yet you claim to have no sin (PRESENT TENSE) so 1 John 1:8 remains your achilles heel.

So lets look at your logic. if a person does not commit any sins today present tense but they admit to having sin in the past, then they too have an achilles heel according to 1 John 1:8. Seriously that is your logic?

Don't be so quick to boast in your goodness.

So in your mind it was boasting. sigh . .. . .. .

I did not call you a liar, but I believe you are DECEIVED. You claim to be without sin (PRESENT TENSE),

i never claimed to be without sin. That is in your head and you refuse to believe me when i tell you otherwise. i am not without sin, i have sinned plenty, however i no longer continue to obey satan and commit sins against Jesus Christ. this is NOT saying i HAVE no sin, that is in your own head.


Love you Brother, i really do. But it seems to me you are not listening, but continue to believe the thoughts coming into your own head that is not right nor Godly. If i say i have sinned plenty, and you are not hearing me say that, nor are you believing that it is True, what point is there to try to continue to feed a dead horse. Love you brother. And i forgive you for the false accusations against me.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

DiscipleDave, do you mind me asking how long you've lived in your house?

i do not give out personal information unless it is to edify, build up, or exhort another. Tell me why you would like to know that personal information from me.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[notmyown]

i do not give out personal information unless it is to edify, build up, or exhort another. Tell me why you would like to know that personal information from me.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

oh, well, i understand that, and you're certainly entitled to do just as you wish.

i was just a little concerned for your health.

 

[Grandpa]

Originally Posted by Grandpa

1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

And there you have it, proof that you do not believe the verse and what it says. Notice how you did NOT explain what the VERSE means, but have taken a part of that verse and explained that part only. Did anyone else catch that?

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NONE of this explains what 1 Cor 15:34 means. wow. You use 2 Cor 3:14 which is specifically talking about those under the old covenant, trying to live by the LAW. How does that explain 1 Cor 15:34? You then reference Matthew 13:13 are you now suggesting that 1 Cor 15:34 is a parable? And you use Romans 3:21-22 to explain what "Awake to Righteousness" means. Would you be so kind as to explain the rest of the verse? i asked you if you could explain what that verse means. i know what it means to awake to righteousness, i would like you to explain the rest of the verse, specifically the part that we were discussing, please try to stay on topic, the SIN NOT, part. Please explain what that part means.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

If you don't understand it, then you don't understand it.

All it shows is that you have no idea of what Salvation really is. You have a carnal, intellectual, understanding of what salvation is.

Which I pretty much already should have known when you tried to show Gods People that they could lose their salvation.


Its not hoping to put on the helmet of salvation. Its putting on the helmet of the hope of salvation. Its the helmet of the faith in the work of the Lord Jesus Christ. Because faith is hope, right? Just stronger.

Hebrews 11:1 [FONT=&quot]Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.


[/FONT]Once again, we are not just hoping this is true. We have faith that it is truth. Do you see the difference?

 

[mailmandan]

If you don't understand it, then you don't understand it.

All it shows is that you have no idea of what Salvation really is. You have a carnal, intellectual, understanding of what salvation is.

Which I pretty much already should have known when you tried to show Gods People that they could lose their salvation.

Its not hoping to put on the helmet of salvation. Its putting on the helmet of the hope of salvation. Its the helmet of the faith in the work of the Lord Jesus Christ. Because faith is hope, right? Just stronger.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Once again, we are not just hoping this is true. We have faith that it is truth. Do you see the difference?

Is it just me Grandpa or is it very complicated to have a Biblical discussion with DiscipleDave? lol

 

[mailmandan]

So all these verses say and teach that a person can be PERFECT. So am i to believe you which teach we don't have to be perfect, or believe Scriptures which instructs us to be Perfect and witnesses that there were Perfect people present even during those times?

Verdict. i choose to believe the Word of God which plainly and clearly teaches we Christian can and should be Perfect as all the Scriptures above plainly teach. So it is not i that you disagree with, but Scriptures which teach to be Perfect, is what you disagree with.

By perfect, do you mean presently sinless, 100% of the time or mature and complete? The word comes from telo, end, goal, limit. Do you mean the goal set before us, the absolute standard of our Heavenly Father? The word is used also for relative perfection as of adults compared with children.

Absolute perfection, sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, 100% of the time for us will not become a reality until we are present with the Lord, but that is the goal to strive for. Yet teleioi is also used to refer to the maturity of an adult, which is the end or aim to which the child points. Thus it denotes those who have attained the full development of innate powers, in contrast to those who are still in the undeveloped state (children).

i have sinned plenty, that has NOTHING to do with how i am living now. i have sinned, i no longer continue to obey satan and live in sin.

So you admit to sinning in the PAST, but NOW, in the PRESENT, do you claim to be sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolutely perfect 100% of the time, continuously?

Here is one thing that is TRUE. What i teach, i live. You say it is not possible, i live it. i know all things are possible to them that know God. When God told a man and a woman to "Go and sin no more" He was not telling them to do something that was impossible to do, hard and difficult, yes, but not impossible.

Again I ask, are you saying that you PRESENTLY live a sinless, with fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time NOW, continuously?

Think about this: All i have done is give Scriptures which teach NOT to sin, what have you done? You have taken them and interpreted them to mean something other than that.

Not sinning is what we are to strive for. God cannot compromise His perfect, holy standard.

i teach not to obey satan and commit sin, you must believe it is OK to commit sin, because you sure went through a lot of trouble to teach against most of the verses which teach not to sin.

I never said it was OK to commit sin and obey satan. I have been teaching against sinless perfection, not striving not to sin. God not compromising His perfect, holy standard and saying not to sin is one thing and demanding sinless perfect 100% of the time or else is another thing. 1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, (PRESENT TENSE) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

 

[Grandpa]

Is it just me Grandpa or is it very complicated to have a Biblical discussion with DiscipleDave? lol

Lots of legalists, judaizers and workers attempt to define certain phrases and certain words in a way that defends their theology.

So now we have to fight over definitions and meanings of phrases as well as actual theology.

And then wonder why. And what is behind the thought that someone could lose what God gives. That gets worrisome.

 

[JIMBO43]

we can be prefect most of the time... but we cant be perfect all of the time.... reason being the mind switches of,,, its a well know fact that perfection of an art makes one a master at there proffession.. Now lets look at deciple ship,,


deciplling a deciple.. The teacher and the student... the baby christian,,who came to christian chat to be decipled too lol..

Now he stayed with the right crowd and mastered the art of patience by following a master of patience

Another baby christian came to cc and they masterd the art of communiucation by following a good comunicator..

Another Baby christian mastered the art of developing a thicker skin and being forgiving by following wise saints who knew the falls and down falls one can experince that make a person sin..

They became perfect in one field and then they went onto become perfect in many more fields,, so much so that the deciple was walking with a pure heart and understanding the falls and scrapes of a sinner plus doing God work to pull them back from the snare of the Devil..

Like lets look at pride... the 4th christian unfornutely followed a believer who was swollen with pride... so much so he started a twisted theology with a twisted name called works based salvationist,,, which of cause all lead to more and more new baby christians becoming in denial of the lords truth...

There is no such denomination of works based salvationists... none...dito.