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I repeat christian and deciple is the same meaning.....
 
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JIMBO43 said:
Lets get one thing straight,,,, its you and your followers who label believers ,,,workers.

I had never herd of the term works based believers untill i met a load of baptists on the internet from the usa...

I see that for a lot of usa people there good people,, with a one of the biggest christian population in the world,,, if not the biggest... (now dont fill your boots just yet.)

BUT THERES ALSO THIS MENTALITY OF WHERE UNTOUCHABLE.......LOL

Which is pretty eveident in the way in which you talk to britIsh believers...

Lets look at some Facts....

Fact great britain colonised the usa... and grew its huge colonies... so much so that took over them with 13 of them.. and a lot bigger than your 51 states which was all you had untill us guys showed up..

Now that said your first president George washingtons parent where British..(did you know that ?...)

Now the fact is for a small island the uk to colonise 3 quarters of the world is quite an achievement... just think about this and the achievement us brits achieved...


Fact we did through hard work and perservernece.....


Perseverence is also something that saints do... They sit paitiently waiting for people like you to see the light...which im hoping by time ive finished with my next responce you may just have a eureka moment,,, and maybe with a bit of luck you might even commend works :rolleyes:
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“Every teacher of work-righteousness is a trouble-maker.”

― Martin Luther
 
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mailmandan said:
False. Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
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being saved and receivingving youy final due are two diffrent Goals...(and what is your final Due (i bet you dont answer) I know its the new world.. which as far as i know no one has declared that to me yet that i am there....allready ...........
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These are not works for salvation after we BELIEVE. A person will confess they are a sinner in need of a Savior when they come to repentance. We call upon the name of the Lord when we choose to place our faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Christ for salvation. You have this all mixed up.
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You can dress up false doctrins all ya want,,, the real truth is your a deniar of the truth,,, that you havent recieved your Due yet..
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We are not saved by faith + works and a works salvationist is certainly what you are.
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yeah yeah christ pull the needle of the record will ya... works based salvationists are a label from baptists.... there no such denominatation...
 
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FreeNChrist said:
Nope. All Christians are disciples. But not all disciples are Christians.
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yup and so are not all baptist to... To be Gay is to reject Christ.... to deny his truth is also to reject christ..
 
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the bible scripture....................for not one word of Gods word will pass away..... but heaven and earth will........
 
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Seohce said:
Do you not imply that those who do good works have no faith? I only believe in the truth, whatever is not in the scriptures is a man-made doctrine & a vain worship( mark 7:7)

FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD (James 2:14-26)
WORKS WITHOUT FAITH IS SIN (Rom 14:23)
FAITH WITHOUT LOVE IS NOTHING (1cor 13:2)
FAITH WITHOUT HOPE IS NOT FAITH & HAS NO HOPE AT ALL (Heb 11:1,rom 8:24)
FAITH WORKETH IN LOVE (Gal 5:6)
We are saved according to God's grace & mercy(eph 2:8-9, titus 1:6) thru FAITH THAT WORKETH IN LOVE (Gal 5:6) because it is God who works in us(phil 2:13, rom 8:28) & God is LOVE(1 john 4:8 & 16)
Mat 21:43-44 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will PRODUCE ITS FRUITS. He who falls on this stone will be cut to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.”

Luke 17:7-10 “Suppose one of you had a SERVANT plowing or looking after the sheep. Would he say to the servant when he comes in from the field, ‘COME ALONG NOW SIT DOWN & EAT’? Would he not rather say, ‘Prepare my supper, GET YOURSELF READY and wait on me while I eat and drink; AFTER that you may eat and drink’? Would he thank the servant because he did what he was told to do? So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, ‘WE ARE UNWORTHY SERVANTS; we have only done our duty.’”
A TRUE CHRISTIAN ALTHOUGH CONSIDERED AS A CHILD OF GOD IS STILL A SERVANT OF GOD AND MUST NOT EVEN THINK OTHERWISE BECAUSE GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED(gal 6:7) SOME CHRISTIANS HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THEIR WRONG NOTION OF SALVATION, BECAME SO CONFIDENT THAT THEY BELIEVED THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD IS NO LONGER NECESSARY AND ARE JUST “DEAD WORKS”. MAYBE THEY THINK THAT THEY ARE ALREADY “WORTHY” TO SIT ON GOD’S TABLE BECAUSE OF THEIR FAITH(VOID OF WORKS), EVEN WITHOUT GOD’S APPROVAL.

WE ARE THE FELLOW WORKERS OF GOD(1cor 3:9), THE BODY OF CHRIST(eph 5:23) WHO DO HIS WORKS HERE ON EARTH(john 14:12, 1cor ch.12). ANYONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE A PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST OR THE VINE BUT CONDEMNS GOOD WORKS & EVEN TEACHES AS A DOCTRINE THAT FAITH PLUS (GOOD) WORKS IS A LIE FROM HELL, IS HIMSELF CONDEMNED. HE IS ARROGANT & BOASTFUL YET UNDERSTANDS NOTHING. Titus 1:16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are DETESTABLE, DISOBEDIENT and UNFIT for doing anything good.

1 Timothy 4:2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

Jude 1:16,19 These men are GRUMBLERS and FAULTFINDERS; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage. THESE ARE THE MEN WHO DIVIDE YOU, who follow mere natural instinct and DO NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT.

***GOD PUTS A BELIEVER INTO THE BODY OF CHRIST TO DO HIS WORKS OF SALVATION,
(1 Timothy 4:16) Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, YOU WILL SAVE BOTH YOURSELF AND YOUR HEARERS.

1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, God’s building.

1 Corinthians 12:27-28 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it...

Ephesians 4:11-13 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God’s people for WORKS OF SERVICE so that the BODY OF CHRIST may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

SINCE IT IS THAT SAME BODY WHOM HE IS GOING TO SAVE-- (Ephesians 5:23)” For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which HE IS THE SAVIOR.”
--THE OBEDIENT & FAITHFUL SERVANTS OF GOD. (Matthew 25:21) “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’
ONCE HE’S INSIDE THE BODY(THE VINE) HE IS EXPECTED TO DO GOOD WORKS(PRODUCE FRUIT)
OTHERWISE HE WILL BE CUT OFF.
Romans 11:18,20-23 do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. Granted. But they were broken off because of UNBELIEF, and you stand by FAITH. Do not be arrogant, but BE AFRAID. For if God did not spare the natural branches, HE WILL NOT SPARE YOU either. CONSIDER therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, PROVIDED THAT YOU CONTINUE in his kindness. Otherwise, YOU ALSO WILL BE CUT OFF.

(mat 18:8-9))If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

1 Corinthians 5:6-13 Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast... I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you that YOU MUST NOT ASSOCIATE with ANYONE WHO CALLS HIMSELF A BROTHER but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the CHURCH(body of Christ)? ARE YOU NOT TO JUDGE THOSE INSIDE? God will judge those outside. “EXPEL THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOU.”

1 Corinthians 15:58 Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. ALWAYS GIVE YOURSELVES FULLY TO THE WORK OF THE LORD, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.

1 Peter 2:16 Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as SERVANTS OF GOD.
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yup we get the message,,, but you still have got yours for not being merciful enough to a polagize for telling someone they dont have the spirit and are dead.... this not a good works at all... pal
 
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fredoheaven said:
Amen! and the justification by faith in James is simply stressing as validation before men

James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
James 2: 24 Ye seethen how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

God bless
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Yup but according to your followers and supporters of this baptist doctrin.. of labeling believers names...

your followers claim that those who had believed where not saved... ?
 
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Utah said:
Forgiven for not knowing the magnitude of your stupidity. That's what happens if you become a mean old sod. What's a sod?
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Ill enlighten you once again bro a Sod is short for a sodomite.. from soddom and gormora..

So as the saying goes dont become a mean old sod...:)
 
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JIMBO43 said:
Yup but according to your followers and supporters of this baptist doctrin.. of labeling believers names...

your followers claim that those who had believed where not saved... ?
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you're all mixed up :)
 
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JIMBO43 said:
No you claimed that Jesuses deciples where believers but not saved...
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just read John 2.23-25 They believed because of the miracles that He did. That was not saving faith.
 
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valiant said:
just read John 2.23-25 They believed because of the miracles that He did. That was not saving faith.
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why does Jesus say this, then?

Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves.
(John 14:10-11)

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is He contrasting a worthless faith with a worthwhile one here?
or a faith that is small but sufficient, as He is faithful when we are faithless, in comparison to an even greater faith?
 
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JIMBO43 said:
yup and so are not all baptist to... To be Gay is to reject Christ.... to deny his truth is also to reject christ..
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Now how in you mind does that relate in any way to my post? :rolleyes:
 
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