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[TraySir]

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Christ, who never married as far as we know, even if he only marries one wife.

Christ is eternal? See, there is the truth again. The reality. Here it is.

God, which includes Christ, put away His wife Israel. Why? They committed spiritual adultery. Went and served other gods, idols.

Christ is married. Romans 7.4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to Him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring for the fruit unto God.

Christ is married, spiritual union with us, Christians.
That union is reflected by the union of ONE man and ONE woman.

 

[DanD]

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I am ONE who is putting emphasis on TWO becoming ONE flesh.
I am putting emphasis on ONE from scripture. The truth is ONE. ONE body. Christ and the church = ONE.
Paul emphasizes ONE. Why? UNITY. A spiritual truth exists. Therefore, marriage was created. If there was not truth of ONE in God, ONE with Christ and His BODY, the CHURCH, there would not be ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN becoming ONE FLESH.
I hope that explains why I am putting emphasis on ONE.

This subject is also ONE of discernment!

You know, some kids never learn. They never grow up and discern. They've always got to hear the reprimand, the do's and don'ts.

Spiritual discernment: on this issue, rare do those who read the bible from Genesis through Revelation end up believing that polygamy is right and acceptable to God. The great grand majority end up with ONE. ONE man and ONE woman = ONE flesh.

Actually, it was someone else that Magenta was responding to. I can hardly keep track of who is saying what. I am in complete agreement that a man and woman become one...one indissoluble family. Where I disagree is emphasizing "two", which is the minimum required for marriage, but no indication is ever given that this is the maximum.

 

[Magenta]

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Then you ought to defend her reasons for using that passage of Scripture.

This is odd. You think to dictate what others must respond to, after explicitly being told they decide for themselves, and further decide whom they must defend? Where do you get this from?

 

[kaylagrl]

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Then you ought to defend her reasons for using that passage of Scripture.

Why answer twice? She already answered.

 

[TraySir]

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The church is not the bride of Christ. That is not found anywhere in Scripture.

Again, bible teaches explicitly and implicitly.

 

[Magenta]

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Then you ought to defend her reasons for using that passage of Scripture.

Why must one person defend the reasons of another? You make little sense here, truly.

 

[DanD]

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Christ is eternal? See, there is the truth again. The reality. Here it is.

God, which includes Christ, put away His wife Israel. Why? They committed spiritual adultery. Went and served other gods, idols.

Christ is married. Romans 7.4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to Him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring for the fruit unto God.

Christ is married, spiritual union with us, Christians.
That union is reflected by the union of ONE man and ONE woman.

God put away both His wives, Israel and Judah.

If you are going to look at Christ as married, one cannot argue that the Corinthian church is the only bride of Christ. Why only the Corinthian church? (I Cor 11:2) Paul clearly was not talking about presenting the entire church as a singular bride. In the previous verse he spoke of being jealous for that particular church with a Godly form of jealousy. In the context of the question I was being asked about what example it sets, I refrained from saying that being polygamous imitates Christ, because even singles and monogamous people who follow Christ are still considered imitators of Christ.

 

[DanD]

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Why must one person defend the reasons of another? You make little sense here, truly.

Because she interjected herself into the conversation. BTW, that is a nice photo. Are you single?

 

[Magenta]

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Again, bible teaches explicitly and implicitly.

People also confuse description with prescription. Thus they make apparent their blindness, such as is made evident again and again when this topic comes up. Of course back in the day thousands of years ago women had little to no rights, being treated as property and not as people, and it has taken much effort on the part of many over centuries for women to attain even the legal status of being persons in the eyes of the law.

 

[Magenta]

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Because she interjected herself into the conversation. BTW, that is a nice photo. Are you single?

Interjected? I see. And did you not also at some point force your way into the conversation and not only that but make a whole new thread that you may carry on being an interloper? Heh. That kind of interjection is what constitutes discussion in a discussion forum, so why speak as if someone is forcing their way into something when that is the norm and not an egregious interruption as you seemingly attempt to make it sound? Not only that, but entering into a conversation does not make it incumbent upon any to defend another, or another's reasons for posting what they do. Yet you try to make it sound as if that is necessary once one enters into conversation. Your distortions do not go unnoticed. And now you flirt with me.

 

[TraySir]

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The Bible tells us that a woman who is unfaithful to her husband commits adultery. It does not say the same about a man having multiple wives. You seem to be adding that to Scripture. I am sorry if that comes off as insulting, but you should not add something to the text that simply is not there.

Romans 7 does teach that men and women are freed from the Law by the body of Christ, and are now married to Christ. If Romans 7.1-2 only applies to women being guilty of adultery by being married to another, then what do you do with verse 4?

Adultery = one man married to two or more women.
Adultery = one woman married to two or more men.

Spiritual adultery = Christian man (in spiritual union with Christ) and Old Law.
Spiritual adultery = Christian woman (in spiritual union with Christ) and Old Law.

Being married to one while another spouse is alive = adultery. That's true both physically and spiritually.
That's Paul's entire point.

How can a man contaminate his covenant relationship with his wife and God, and not be guilty of adulterating the covenant.
Covenant is adulterated. Contaminated, regardless of the gender of the person committing the act.

 

[Magenta]

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You are also being dishonest or are terribly deceived to think you see any photo of me.

 

[kaylagrl]

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You have already explained her position. That does not make her position correct. The question is not what a man or woman's opinion is, but what God has clearly said.



I'm sorry, that response does not make sense. The Bible tells us that a woman who is unfaithful to her husband commits adultery. It does not say the same about a man having multiple wives. You seem to be adding that to Scripture. I am sorry if that comes off as insulting, but you should not add something to the text that simply is not there.



My understanding was that there was an issue with a man fulfilling his sexual desires. I believed that is what was meant when I made my response about fulfilling lust. There is a clear boundary set for men, where those desires are restricted, such as in the case of David and Bathsheba, where he stepped outside that restriction, but not when he married Abigail and Ahinoam and the other eight women.



Well, my wife has experienced plenty of jealousy over the course of our 15 year marriage, and there is no other woman in the marriage, so I don't see that as a negative that I don't already face, but only an act of the sinful nature. My investigation into polygamy is somewhat recent, and only after multiple instances of her telling me that I should marry someone else. If I had not read Joshua Harris' book on Kissing Dating Goodbye, I honestly would have never married my wife. We all make mistakes, but rather than putting her away after much long-suffering, I have remained faithful to her, and will continue to do so until death separates us. If it is God's will to bless me and my wife with a second wife, He will eventually open her eyes to the truth.

Quote "You have already explained her position."

No,I gave my position and said I believed the majority of women would agree. Do you not know your wifes position or you dont wish to answer the question?


Quote "The question is not what a man or woman's opinion is, but what God has clearly said."

Apparently not as verses have been given to you and you wont accept them or twist them. You have said you wont force your wife to accept another wife.So where does that leave your marriage?

Quote"you should not add something to the text that simply is not there."

Agreed! So the two shall become one means just that.

Quote "Then you would have no issue with a man fulfilling his lusts by having sex within the context of marriage."

Im still not getting the idea of lust that you are talking about within a marriage.You've brought it up more than once. Im trying to get what you mean but its still not clear.

Quote "Well, my wife has experienced plenty of jealousy over the course of our 15 year marriage, and there is no other woman in the marriage"

Ok,so there seems to be an issue there. Ive never felt jealous over my husband. Have you discussed why she feels this way?

Quote"My investigation into polygamy is somewhat recent, and only after multiple instances of her telling me that I should marry someone else."

Actually that was about to be my next question.When did you start looking into polygamy. So she said you should marry someone else so obviously there is a deep issue here.Have you looked into counseling? If you can't make one marriage work how do you think adding wives will help you.Honest question.

Quote " If I had not read Joshua Harris' book on Kissing Dating Goodbye, I honestly would have never married my wife. "

I think I have his wifes book but never read it. Christian relationship books can be helpful but cant speak to every situation. There is some bad advice out there.

Quote "We all make mistakes, but rather than putting her away after much long-suffering, I have remained faithful to her, and will continue to do so until death separates us. "

It honorable to remain faithful. Im sorry this is your situation. I wish you had opened with this comment. But truly adding wives would only add to your sorrow. May I ask,has she been faithful to you? You need to look into counseling,perhaps things can be improved. No one should live in misery.

Quote "If it is God's will to bless me and my wife with a second wife, He will eventually open her eyes to the truth."

Im not going to try to get into dirty details.Im reading between the lines that possibly both of you are not being sexually satisfied in your marriage. I honestly think you'd be adding to your burden to add another person into a troubled marriage. I dont think it will help as much as you are hoping it will.

 

[TraySir]

Re: Polygamy -- continuation of older thread.

God put away both His wives, Israel and Judah.

If you are going to look at Christ as married, one cannot argue that the Corinthian church is the only bride of Christ. Why only the Corinthian church? (I Cor 11:2) Paul clearly was not talking about presenting the entire church as a singular bride. In the previous verse he spoke of being jealous for that particular church with a Godly form of jealousy. In the context of the question I was being asked about what example it sets, I refrained from saying that being polygamous imitates Christ, because even singles and monogamous people who follow Christ are still considered imitators of Christ.

I've referenced Romans 7 (which also answer your above post here) and Ephesians 4 and 5 and Colossians 1, showing the relationship of Christ and the church.

And again, that relationship is REFLECTED, that TRUTH is manifested in the same relationship created by God in the beginning - husband and wife - become ONE flesh, as read in Genesis 2.

 

[TraySir]

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God put away both His wives, Israel and Judah.

If you are going to look at Christ as married, one cannot argue that the Corinthian church is the only bride of Christ. Why only the Corinthian church? (I Cor 11:2) Paul clearly was not talking about presenting the entire church as a singular bride. In the previous verse he spoke of being jealous for that particular church with a Godly form of jealousy. In the context of the question I was being asked about what example it sets, I refrained from saying that being polygamous imitates Christ, because even singles and monogamous people who follow Christ are still considered imitators of Christ.

I think you are referring to 2 Corinthians 11.2. Not 1 Corinthians. That's fine.
Even so, I don't understand your use of 2 Corinthians regarding this issue.
Thank you.

 

[TraySir]

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Quote "You have already explained her position."

No,I gave my position and said I believed the majority of women would agree. Do you not know your wifes position or you dont wish to answer the question?


Quote "The question is not what a man or woman's opinion is, but what God has clearly said."

Apparently not as verses have been given to you and you wont accept them or twist them. You have said you wont force your wife to accept another wife.So where does that leave your marriage?

Quote"you should not add something to the text that simply is not there."

Agreed! So the two shall become one means just that.

Quote "Then you would have no issue with a man fulfilling his lusts by having sex within the context of marriage."

Im still not getting the idea of lust that you are talking about within a marriage.You've brought it up more than once. Im trying to get what you mean but its still not clear.

Quote "Well, my wife has experienced plenty of jealousy over the course of our 15 year marriage, and there is no other woman in the marriage"

Ok,so there seems to be an issue there. Ive never felt jealous over my husband. Have you discussed why she feels this way?

Quote"My investigation into polygamy is somewhat recent, and only after multiple instances of her telling me that I should marry someone else."

Actually that was about to be my next question.When did you start looking into polygamy. So she said you should marry someone else so obviously there is a deep issue here.Have you looked into counseling? If you can't make one marriage work how do you think adding wives will help you.Honest question.

Quote " If I had not read Joshua Harris' book on Kissing Dating Goodbye, I honestly would have never married my wife. "

I think I have his wifes book but never read it. Christian relationship books can be helpful but cant speak to every situation. There is some bad advice out there.

Quote "We all make mistakes, but rather than putting her away after much long-suffering, I have remained faithful to her, and will continue to do so until death separates us. "

It honorable to remain faithful. Im sorry this is your situation. I wish you had opened with this comment. But truly adding wives would only add to your sorrow. May I ask,has she been faithful to you? You need to look into counseling,perhaps things can be improved. No one should live in misery.

Quote "If it is God's will to bless me and my wife with a second wife, He will eventually open her eyes to the truth."

Im not going to try to get into dirty details.Im reading between the lines that possibly both of you are not being sexually satisfied in your marriage. I honestly think you'd be adding to your burden to add another person into a troubled marriage. I dont think it will help as much as you are hoping it will.

Very well said. Much tact and care. I like that.

 

[kaylagrl]

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Very well said. Much tact and care. I like that.

​I wish the OP had come out with the real issue from the first. But I should have had better discernment perhaps.

 

[TraySir]

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If it is God's will to bless me and my wife with a second wife, He will eventually open her eyes to the truth.

God's already spoken on the matter. One man and One woman.
When she "opens her eyes" be careful, they may be opened to YOUR own fleshly desires and not to the will of the Lord. Hope and pray, your wife keeps her eyes open to the truth and only to the truth.

 

[Magenta]

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​I wish the OP had come out with the real issue from the first. But I should have had better discernment perhaps.

Speaking for polygamy and putting it forth as if it were acceptable according to the revealed written Word of God is not copacetic regardless of the circumstances the OP has found himself in due to the choices he himself made in life.

 

[kaylagrl]

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Speaking for polygamy and putting it forth as if it were acceptable according to the revealed written Word of God is not copacetic regardless of the circumstances the OP has found himself in due to the choices he himself made in life.

He is in over his head in his own marriage. Adding another person will make everything worse. He probably wont find that out until its too late.