The whole topic of the end times really scares me. From the tribulation to Gods wrath and the second coming of Jesus, I have no clue what is going to happen. And I've seen a lot of people saying it'll be soon. For a long time I've been very scared about this and would like to ask for some help. I have made multiple posts about this as well if that puts in reference to you how scared I am. The thing that scares me most is the idea of tribulation and that everyone is going to die. Please help me somehow please.
Scared about the end times
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As the scriptures states in Luke 21:28 - When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." The Lord doesn't want his people to be fearful but you rejoice at his return. The Lord said to fear not for I am with you. As Relevation states "There will be no more death' or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." To get to that point all of the scriptures beforehand has to be fulfilled.
Alex I have said many times before and I will say it again forget about the end times and focus on God himself focus on deepening your bond and relationship with him. Fear is not of God only the enemy and as i also said before seek first the kingdom of God and all else will be given to you. The reason you fear is because you continue to listen to the enemy and focus on the end times but when your hearts eyes are set upon God alone all you will feel is peace love and joy.
The question is will you take my advice this time?
The question is will you take my advice this time?
***fear is from the devil***I believe we will be Raptured out before the Tribulation, but even if we did go into the Tribulation God's Grace is there to help us go through stuff***some testimonies of those killed for Christ show that they were kept from pain and were singing even when being burned alive***God can give us Grace to go through, fear is the devil's way of getting you to doubt God***keep pressing in and get victory over this...
You might die tomorrow. For a Christian death isn't the end, it's an upgrade. Believing that the end is near should be motivating not fear inducing. Personally I can't wait to finally see the Lord. Then when I get to see all of the good people here on CC face to face, I can say I told you so to all of the people who think my theories are crazy.
Jesus said,do not fear what they can do to the body,but can do no more,but fear God.
The only thing to fear concerning ourselves is the protection of our flesh,but if a person gets past that,there is nothing to fear.
Peter was an example of someone afraid what they can do to the body,and the protection of his flesh,for he denied Jesus three times,for he feared being taken also,and he feared the Jews that believed in circumcision,Old Testament ways,and would leave the Gentiles who were saints,and would go assemble with them.
But Peter got over it,and stopped fearing.
If we do not care what they can do to the body,then we have nothing to fear,but actions speak louder than words,for we can talk a big game,but what will it be like if we actually get there,for that is what scares the world that does not know enough about God to get rooted in that belief,they will take the mark of the beast to save their skin of being persecuted,and also to provide for their needs,for no person can buy or sell without the mark,which is also protecting their flesh.
That separates those that love God,and those who do not,the fear of the persecution of the flesh,for the beast kingdom will reveal who loves God,and who does not,by the flesh being in a position of harm for all those who do not go along with the beast kingdom,for those who do not know enough of God,will be weak and will protect their flesh,but those that abide in the truth,Jesus is Lord and Savior,will be strong enough in will power,and determination,the Spirit granting them the strength,to say goodbye to the flesh,and hello Jesus,even if they make it to the resurrection,that is still their attitude,for they do not know if they will make it that far,and not get caught,for the world will make war against the saints.
Do not be troubled,and it could be that during that time,that God in his mercy is only allowing the beast,and the world,to behead the saints,and nothing more,for that is what the Bible says,they were beheaded for the witness of Christ,for it is a quick death,no suffering.God has to allow the world to have their way to rebel against Him,before He can put them down,for He will not give up on them,but in His fairness,and being just,He has to allow them to give up on Him,and the saints being persecuted for three and one half years,is part of that giving up on Him,for He will let them go that far,so there will be no excuse on their part of not wanting anything to do with anybody that claims the God of Israel,and Jesus as Lord and Savior,and there is no in between at that time when the world takes the mark.
There is only the world,and the saints,for all others whatever their belief,Muslim,Buddhist,Hinduism,and everyone else who does not claim Jesus as Lord and Savior,will all be as one with no difference,the Muslim being as the Buddhist,and so forth,for there is no religion at that time,the Muslim not believing in a personal God,Allah melting off his mind,Buddha having no meaning,all gods,and religious figures,dissipating off their brains,but all deceived being as one belief,and it will be the world against Christianity.
If you get past the persecution of the flesh,you got it beat,but it might scare you,but by the Holy Spirit you will not even care,but you will run to have your head beheaded,with enthusiasm,and joy,saying,come on you slowpokes what is taking you so long,for you know the reward far exceeds the persecution,and if people can say that,smart remarks,and let us get it over with,and what is taking you so long,to those who are on death row,and being executed,how much more can a saint not care about them going against them by the power of the Holy Spirit.
But we can talk a big game.
You may be scared now,which it is common place,but the Spirit is not working in our life at this point to strengthen,and give us courage,and comfort,to be able to endure it,and not care about the persecution of the flesh,for that will only come when you are actually in that position,and if you abide in the truth at that time,you will find out that your mindset will be a whole lot less fearful,and a lot more courageous,than you previously thought,and we know it got the man Christ Jesus through it to endure the persecution,and the cross,and the tribulation I do not believe will even be that bad as what the man Christ Jesus had to endure,for we think the persecution will be very terrible,but when Jesus said it will be greater persecution than ever before in history,He was not talking pain level,and agony,for persecution is persecution,but the persecution will be greater in the number of saints being persecuted at any given time,for it will be worldwide.
They were beheaded for the witness of Christ,which I believe this is the mercy of God,and will not allow the devil to humiliate the saints to a high degree,with pain and suffering,although He allows the world to go against them,but I believe God is restraining them from doing such pain,and suffering,towards the saints,but a quick death,being beheaded.
The only thing to fear concerning ourselves is the protection of our flesh,but if a person gets past that,there is nothing to fear.
Peter was an example of someone afraid what they can do to the body,and the protection of his flesh,for he denied Jesus three times,for he feared being taken also,and he feared the Jews that believed in circumcision,Old Testament ways,and would leave the Gentiles who were saints,and would go assemble with them.
But Peter got over it,and stopped fearing.
If we do not care what they can do to the body,then we have nothing to fear,but actions speak louder than words,for we can talk a big game,but what will it be like if we actually get there,for that is what scares the world that does not know enough about God to get rooted in that belief,they will take the mark of the beast to save their skin of being persecuted,and also to provide for their needs,for no person can buy or sell without the mark,which is also protecting their flesh.
That separates those that love God,and those who do not,the fear of the persecution of the flesh,for the beast kingdom will reveal who loves God,and who does not,by the flesh being in a position of harm for all those who do not go along with the beast kingdom,for those who do not know enough of God,will be weak and will protect their flesh,but those that abide in the truth,Jesus is Lord and Savior,will be strong enough in will power,and determination,the Spirit granting them the strength,to say goodbye to the flesh,and hello Jesus,even if they make it to the resurrection,that is still their attitude,for they do not know if they will make it that far,and not get caught,for the world will make war against the saints.
Do not be troubled,and it could be that during that time,that God in his mercy is only allowing the beast,and the world,to behead the saints,and nothing more,for that is what the Bible says,they were beheaded for the witness of Christ,for it is a quick death,no suffering.God has to allow the world to have their way to rebel against Him,before He can put them down,for He will not give up on them,but in His fairness,and being just,He has to allow them to give up on Him,and the saints being persecuted for three and one half years,is part of that giving up on Him,for He will let them go that far,so there will be no excuse on their part of not wanting anything to do with anybody that claims the God of Israel,and Jesus as Lord and Savior,and there is no in between at that time when the world takes the mark.
There is only the world,and the saints,for all others whatever their belief,Muslim,Buddhist,Hinduism,and everyone else who does not claim Jesus as Lord and Savior,will all be as one with no difference,the Muslim being as the Buddhist,and so forth,for there is no religion at that time,the Muslim not believing in a personal God,Allah melting off his mind,Buddha having no meaning,all gods,and religious figures,dissipating off their brains,but all deceived being as one belief,and it will be the world against Christianity.
If you get past the persecution of the flesh,you got it beat,but it might scare you,but by the Holy Spirit you will not even care,but you will run to have your head beheaded,with enthusiasm,and joy,saying,come on you slowpokes what is taking you so long,for you know the reward far exceeds the persecution,and if people can say that,smart remarks,and let us get it over with,and what is taking you so long,to those who are on death row,and being executed,how much more can a saint not care about them going against them by the power of the Holy Spirit.
But we can talk a big game.
You may be scared now,which it is common place,but the Spirit is not working in our life at this point to strengthen,and give us courage,and comfort,to be able to endure it,and not care about the persecution of the flesh,for that will only come when you are actually in that position,and if you abide in the truth at that time,you will find out that your mindset will be a whole lot less fearful,and a lot more courageous,than you previously thought,and we know it got the man Christ Jesus through it to endure the persecution,and the cross,and the tribulation I do not believe will even be that bad as what the man Christ Jesus had to endure,for we think the persecution will be very terrible,but when Jesus said it will be greater persecution than ever before in history,He was not talking pain level,and agony,for persecution is persecution,but the persecution will be greater in the number of saints being persecuted at any given time,for it will be worldwide.
They were beheaded for the witness of Christ,which I believe this is the mercy of God,and will not allow the devil to humiliate the saints to a high degree,with pain and suffering,although He allows the world to go against them,but I believe God is restraining them from doing such pain,and suffering,towards the saints,but a quick death,being beheaded.
So much misunderstanding about the end times scenario. Relax, the Great Tribulation is over!!! It ended in 70 AD with the destruction of Jerusalem. Only those in Judea were told to flee (Mat 24:16). The Abomination (which causeth desolation) was the Roman solders which surrounded Jerusalem.
Luke 21:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.
The desolation was Jerusalem. Not one stone was left on top of another. Jesus clearly foretells this event two chapters earlier.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, [SUP]44 [/SUP]and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”
The Wrath was poured out on these wicked Jews who rejected then killed their Messiah. Read "War of the Jews" by Josephus and you will have no doubt that the Great Tribulation happened back then. Even John the Baptist predicted it here in Mat 3:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
This wrath would not apply to them if it was to happen 2000+ years later. The destruction of Jerusalem was the Wrath of God poured out on that wicked generation and Jesus identifies it as such in Mat 16:
A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.” And He left them and departed.
Friends, when Jesus is revealed the world will be relatively calm. People will be going about their lives as normal. Get the images of Revelation out of your heads. Only the wicked are taken for destruction, to the eagles, to be killed and their flesh eaten. The righteous are left behind. Everything we've been taught is backwards. It will be "As in the days of Noah." Nobody will see it coming except those of us who know the signs.
Luke 17:
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. [SUP]31 [/SUP]“In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Remember Lot’s wife. [SUP]33 [/SUP]Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. [SUP]34 [/SUP]I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.”
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?”
So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”
Luke 21:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.
The desolation was Jerusalem. Not one stone was left on top of another. Jesus clearly foretells this event two chapters earlier.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, [SUP]44 [/SUP]and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”
The Wrath was poured out on these wicked Jews who rejected then killed their Messiah. Read "War of the Jews" by Josephus and you will have no doubt that the Great Tribulation happened back then. Even John the Baptist predicted it here in Mat 3:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
This wrath would not apply to them if it was to happen 2000+ years later. The destruction of Jerusalem was the Wrath of God poured out on that wicked generation and Jesus identifies it as such in Mat 16:
A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.” And He left them and departed.
Friends, when Jesus is revealed the world will be relatively calm. People will be going about their lives as normal. Get the images of Revelation out of your heads. Only the wicked are taken for destruction, to the eagles, to be killed and their flesh eaten. The righteous are left behind. Everything we've been taught is backwards. It will be "As in the days of Noah." Nobody will see it coming except those of us who know the signs.
Luke 17:
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. [SUP]31 [/SUP]“In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Remember Lot’s wife. [SUP]33 [/SUP]Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. [SUP]34 [/SUP]I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.”
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?”
So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”
If you have seen the horrors i have been shown you would not have the guts to say the great tribulation is over. Imagine a world where simple things such as clean water is a miracle to find imagine a place where something like the common cold is a death sentence imagine a place where family will slaughter family where all you see around you is destruction and not a single blade of grass remains green because it's so covered in blood imagine all kinds of plagues and all kinds of evil roaming the land and nothing but fear and death remains in the land.
What i have seen doesn't even belong in horror movies, do not speak of things you have no understanding unless you have seen what i have seen
What i have seen doesn't even belong in horror movies, do not speak of things you have no understanding unless you have seen what i have seen
I apologize in the heat of the moment I forgotten which thread I was on had i remembered the thread i was on I would not have spoken of this.
I will sometimes receive dreams or visions of the future from God but only because I can handle the meat. You require milk and prophecy and the end times is the meat of meats if you try to chew on meat when you have yet grow teeth and still need meat then fear is what you get. You are afraid because you are trying to chew what you are not yet near ready for and if you continue to refuse my advice and forget the end times then this fear will consume you and you will be in a state of fear all the time.
Again as i said forget bible prophecy forget the end times and focus on god himself focus on seeking his heart seeking a deeper love and relationship with him only then will grow and become strong enough to chew on the meat of bible prophecy if you still refuse to listen then I cannot help you i can give you the best advice in the world but only if listen and take that advice will it do any good. So PLEASE listen this time or else you will be over taken by fear and the devil will pounce on that
I will sometimes receive dreams or visions of the future from God but only because I can handle the meat. You require milk and prophecy and the end times is the meat of meats if you try to chew on meat when you have yet grow teeth and still need meat then fear is what you get. You are afraid because you are trying to chew what you are not yet near ready for and if you continue to refuse my advice and forget the end times then this fear will consume you and you will be in a state of fear all the time.
Again as i said forget bible prophecy forget the end times and focus on god himself focus on seeking his heart seeking a deeper love and relationship with him only then will grow and become strong enough to chew on the meat of bible prophecy if you still refuse to listen then I cannot help you i can give you the best advice in the world but only if listen and take that advice will it do any good. So PLEASE listen this time or else you will be over taken by fear and the devil will pounce on that
As I said, forget about Revelation as its a complicated topic. Revelation employs highly figurative language which we don't need to discuss at this moment. I am speaking about the "Great Tribulation" as found in the Olivet.
This "GT" is over!!
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Everything from Mat 24:1-26 happened in the first century. If you haven't read "War of the Jews" by Flavius Josephus, you really shouldn't be weighing in on this subject. Here's a link to it. Read it, then come back and challenge me.
War of the Jews - Flavius Josephus
This "GT" is over!!
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Everything from Mat 24:1-26 happened in the first century. If you haven't read "War of the Jews" by Flavius Josephus, you really shouldn't be weighing in on this subject. Here's a link to it. Read it, then come back and challenge me.
War of the Jews - Flavius Josephus
Be careful Blain. You've allowed your mind to play tricks on you. You've taken a book filled with figurative language and you literalized it. You really have no business in Revelation if you do not recognize the literary style John employs. There will be trouble in certain places but the "GT" found in the Olivet is over, I assure you.
What does Jesus say?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: [SUP]27 [/SUP]They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; [SUP]29 [/SUP]but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
Does the above sound like the scenario you set forth? Things will appear as normal UNTIL THE SON OF MAN IS REVEALED, PERIOD!!
What does Jesus say?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: [SUP]27 [/SUP]They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; [SUP]29 [/SUP]but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
Does the above sound like the scenario you set forth? Things will appear as normal UNTIL THE SON OF MAN IS REVEALED, PERIOD!!
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Alex
Soon is a very fuzzy term. We are now in the year 2017 ... and yet Jesus said "soon" several times
The world might end today
it might end in a few decaeds
It might be around for thousands of years yet
...and no one knows which is correct.
So, we are left with doing what we can with the time we do have.
Fear not, you are worth more than many sparrows
Soon is a very fuzzy term. We are now in the year 2017 ... and yet Jesus said "soon" several times
The world might end today
it might end in a few decaeds
It might be around for thousands of years yet
...and no one knows which is correct.
So, we are left with doing what we can with the time we do have.
Fear not, you are worth more than many sparrows
The Great Tribulation takes place in the book of revelation that's apparently complicated for you to discuss. You are talking about people shouldn't weigh in on the subject when you can't even comprehend the book of revelation. The GT is not over but if convincing yourself makes you feel better then go ahead.
Morning PrynceNY,
I keep saying it, those like PlainWord who think that the tribulation/great tribulation has been completed have no understanding of the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath. What they also don't understand, is that time of great tribulation continues right up until the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. It is not until after the 7th bowl has been poured out that the Lord returns and the 1st seal hasn't even been opened.
The destruction of the temple in 70 AD pales greatly in reference to that time of great tribulation such as the world has not seen from the beginning of creation, until now and never to be equaled again. And except those days were shortened no one would be left alive. It doesn't even come close!
That time of great tribulation will be fulfilled via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. With just the 4th seal and the 6th trumpet, about 50% of the earths population will have been killed and that within the first 3 1/2 years. No, they have no idea of the chaos and destruction that is coming and that upon the entire earth.