Agreed Dabears,
Im actally disgusted at most of the comments (baring a few) made on here by those talking about suicide being punishable. How many believers have suicided,even apostles (I dont like using the word 'commited' as that implies to many that is is a crime) God gave free will to do anything you please..be it whatever..even murder..its your free will. If a person wants to judge another on what they call a sin, then jesus' story of the woman caught in adultery didn't mean anything when they read it. Did one of those cast the first stone?
The beam in the eye verse rings through here as well. It is one thing judging peoples doctrines, that is to be done..but judging their actions is a different thing. What then? are you allowed your free will to sin as you like, but others arnt? Remember a sin is a sin is a sin to god.. he doesnt have levels of sins like we humans do. Murder is as much a sin in gods eyes as stealing an icecream.
Where does the bible talk about suicide much anyway? Where are these verses that claim its unforgivable?
Did god not say, I will not put upon you more than you can bare?, Surely if someone is to the point of suicide, they are at that time in a totally different frame of mind to normal, the depression or whatever has got to a level where they are not thinking clearly anyway and reasoning is messed up.
None of us know what goes on in the minds of someone who suicides at that time of doing it. as none of us have done it..no matter even if we almost have..we have not got to that limit..or otherwise we wouldnt be here now.
Judas suicided.hanged himself by the description given, Do people think he wasn't remorseful of the actions he had to do? Do people think he wasn't totally sorrowful and depressed out of his mind for doing what he did? If you don't think he was repentent before he died..your kidding.
3Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, 4Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. 5And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself
One must ask the question in most cases , what/who causes so much pain/depression/anxiety to another that would cause them to leave all loved ones to be out of the world. It could be ones partner, family,church, ‘friend’, bully etc , but most times in todays world, suicide is a process of some other person’s action to destroy the will of the one suiciding. Is that not the one that should more likely be judged.
Besides most people don’t know even if a person talked to god before they do it. God knows their reason anyway, no matter what ignorant people think or judge about it.
Even murder is forgivable and while under grace laws are nothing anyway
Did not Adam partake of suicide indirectly? He was told by god that he would surely die if he took of the fruit, he did. One could even argue that Jesus did as well indirectly, as he knew they would kill him and unlike all other times did not run, one could argue that as a form of suicide, as much as murderers today who do not want to go to jail use ‘suicide by cop’ to get police to shoot them to save doing it themselves.
Those who are all righteous about suicide being punishable and one cannot be saved because of it are ignorant , wrong and downright embarrassing. If this is the mind of a so called chrsitian no wonder others want nothing to do with Christianity. And if their ‘’god’’ is such an unrighteous god with no love, then who would want a god like that, It reminds me of those who have a god of eternal punishment.. who would want such a tyrant god anyway.
Im actally disgusted at most of the comments (baring a few) made on here by those talking about suicide being punishable. How many believers have suicided,even apostles (I dont like using the word 'commited' as that implies to many that is is a crime) God gave free will to do anything you please..be it whatever..even murder..its your free will. If a person wants to judge another on what they call a sin, then jesus' story of the woman caught in adultery didn't mean anything when they read it. Did one of those cast the first stone?
The beam in the eye verse rings through here as well. It is one thing judging peoples doctrines, that is to be done..but judging their actions is a different thing. What then? are you allowed your free will to sin as you like, but others arnt? Remember a sin is a sin is a sin to god.. he doesnt have levels of sins like we humans do. Murder is as much a sin in gods eyes as stealing an icecream.
Where does the bible talk about suicide much anyway? Where are these verses that claim its unforgivable?
Did god not say, I will not put upon you more than you can bare?, Surely if someone is to the point of suicide, they are at that time in a totally different frame of mind to normal, the depression or whatever has got to a level where they are not thinking clearly anyway and reasoning is messed up.
None of us know what goes on in the minds of someone who suicides at that time of doing it. as none of us have done it..no matter even if we almost have..we have not got to that limit..or otherwise we wouldnt be here now.
Judas suicided.hanged himself by the description given, Do people think he wasn't remorseful of the actions he had to do? Do people think he wasn't totally sorrowful and depressed out of his mind for doing what he did? If you don't think he was repentent before he died..your kidding.
3Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, 4Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. 5And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself
One must ask the question in most cases , what/who causes so much pain/depression/anxiety to another that would cause them to leave all loved ones to be out of the world. It could be ones partner, family,church, ‘friend’, bully etc , but most times in todays world, suicide is a process of some other person’s action to destroy the will of the one suiciding. Is that not the one that should more likely be judged.
Besides most people don’t know even if a person talked to god before they do it. God knows their reason anyway, no matter what ignorant people think or judge about it.
Even murder is forgivable and while under grace laws are nothing anyway
Did not Adam partake of suicide indirectly? He was told by god that he would surely die if he took of the fruit, he did. One could even argue that Jesus did as well indirectly, as he knew they would kill him and unlike all other times did not run, one could argue that as a form of suicide, as much as murderers today who do not want to go to jail use ‘suicide by cop’ to get police to shoot them to save doing it themselves.
Those who are all righteous about suicide being punishable and one cannot be saved because of it are ignorant , wrong and downright embarrassing. If this is the mind of a so called chrsitian no wonder others want nothing to do with Christianity. And if their ‘’god’’ is such an unrighteous god with no love, then who would want a god like that, It reminds me of those who have a god of eternal punishment.. who would want such a tyrant god anyway.
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