The imputed righteousness of Christ Impugned

[dcontroversal]

You know, I have heard it all on CC or so I thought...Recently a member of CC who claims to know the Lord made the following statement . I will not quote the member's name as you can do a search and find it for yourselves....but I will say...there is only one entity that would lead a man to say such a thing and in my view that entity is NOT the Holy Spirt of God. What do you think about the righteousness of Christ being applied to a believer thru faith and application of the blood of JESUS?

The imputed righteousness of Christ is a neat little trick that does not work. <--can you imagine a believer saying this

1st Corinthians 1:30

It is because of Him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God: our righteousness, holiness, and redemption.

2nd Corinthians 5:21

For he who had not known sin made himself to become sin in your place, that we would become the righteousness of God in him.

 

[Locutus]

I did a search - couldn't find any other reference - context needed really.

 

[Grace777x70]

The understanding of righteousness by faith alone in Christ's work is paramount to growing up in the grace and knowledge of the Lord.

Here are some scriptures that show the reality of this truth. Get this wrong and we create our own D.I.Y self-righteousness/holiness religion that actually denies the work of our Lord and Master.

The understanding of the new creation in Christ and the new identity of the believer is paramount to living the true Christian life.


Here it says our spirit ( the inner person that is a new creation in Christ ) is alive because of righteousness that it is it.

Romans 8:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

Here righteousness is a gift - you don't earn it.

Romans 5:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

We have grace reigning in our lives because of righteousness in us.

Romans 5:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21[/SUP] That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Here righteousness comes by faith.

Romans 9:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

Here when we believe - we are righteousness.

Romans 10:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

We are in the kingdom of God and it is in us which is righteousness.

Romans 14:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17[/SUP] For the kingdom of God ( Jesus said that the kingdom of God is within you..He might know a thing or two ) is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Here it says that God made us righteousness in Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

This says we have become the righteousness of Christ ( this is called a dependent clause in the greek - it is determined as fulfilled because Christ became sin )

2 Corinthians 5:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Believers are called righteousness.

2 Corinthians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?


Here it is saying that "righteousness comes by Christ".

Galatians 2:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

Here we have the breastplate of righteousness - which is the armor of God that we are to be strong in.

Ephesians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

This talks about the new man in Christ - the new creation.

Ephesians 4:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.

Ok..that's enough..there are tons more....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We are stuck in a conundrum,'

We either stand on our own righteousness. Or we stand on Gods.
'
If they want to stand on their own, Bes of luck to them..

But that is not even the issue. The issue is they claim they are not saying that.. And there judge us for judging them.

 

[dcontroversal]

We are stuck in a conundrum,'

We either stand on our own righteousness. Or we stand on Gods.
'
If they want to stand on their own, Bes of luck to them..

But that is not even the issue. The issue is they claim they are not saying that.. And there judge us for judging them.

I will take the quoted verses any day over my own ability to help Jesus......!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I will take the quoted verses any day over my own ability to help Jesus......!

As Paul said, I want you to understand nothing but Christ and him crucified.

if the cross is not enough, we are in serious trouble.

 

[Grace777x70]

Here are some Old Testament ones just in case the New Covenant itself is not good enough.

We that are in Christ and Christ is in us have the Lord's righteousness now in our inner man that is in Christ.

Isaiah 45:24-25 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "They will say of Me, 'Only in the LORD are righteousness and strength.' Men will come to Him, And all who were angry at Him will be put to shame.

[SUP]25 [/SUP] "In the LORD all the offspring of Israel Will be justified and will glory."

Here is one more from the OT - Isaiah 54: 17 of the Lord telling what the believer would have because of what Christ did in Isaiah 53 when He died on the cross to take away our sin and make us righteous in Him.

Isaiah 54:17

[SUP]17 [/SUP] "No weapon that is formed against you will prosper; And every tongue that accuses you in judgment you will condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, And their righteousness is from Me," declares the LORD.

Folks we have a great salvation in our Lord Jesus Christ!

Ephesians 3:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] To me, the very least of all saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ,

 

[PeterJens]

I did a search - couldn't find any other reference - context needed really.

I said it.
Imputed righteousness is not biblical, it is a reformation doctrine invented so that
believers could be sinners and still be regard as righteous and forgiven.

It is often taken to be Abrahams faith being reconned as righteousness.
When I learnt imputed righteousness of Christ is an invented theological term,
it settled for me another issue, that our faith is reconned as righteousness not our walk.

So you can walk righteously but that is not enough, because it is communion with the
Lord that is the life and the truth.

Now through Jesus's righteousness sacrificed on the cross we gain forgiveness of past
sins, washed clean and purified, so that we can walk blamelessly before the King.

The problem is without imputed righteousness surely one sin and we have lost salvation.
But if salvation or righteousness is actually founded on faith, then this is the grace covering
while we resolve our sinful issues through repentance and confession. Now if we do not
resolve them over time, our faith will wane and finally fail and we will fall away.

Now for most this is so bad and terrible, the idea of falling away it is unbelief to even say it
is possible, so you definately must not know Christ.

So this is a different faith structure within the same theology, but a different take on almost
everything, even involving reinterpreting what repentance actually is.

So there you have it, the alternative view point,

 

[Grace777x70]

I will take the quoted verses any day over my own ability to help Jesus......!

This is what happens when the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work is watered down to where the humanistic mindset says it is what we do or don't do that determines righteousness but God's righteousness only comes by grace through faith in Christ alone.

There are fruits of righteousness but we don't create and maintain our own self-righteousness. That is an anti-Christ belief system that denies the work of Christ. It is the belief system of Lucifer - "I will be like the Most High" - he fed this same lie to Eve and Adam - they could be like God without God.

It too had the "appearance of good" but it is trying to get life without relying on God Himself. This is what the D.I.Y self-righteousness/holiness humanistic mindset is based on at it's core. Unbelief in Christ's work on the cross and resurrection - Jesus is not enough - we need to do things to help Christ with righteousness.

 

[PeterJens]

Ho ho ho, the same crowd, DC, EG, g7, this will be fun... at least I know exactly your tack ...

 

[dcontroversal]

This is what happens when the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work is watered down to where the humanistic mindset says it is what we do or don't do that determines righteousness but God's righteousness only comes by grace through faith in Christ alone.

There are fruits of righteousness but we don't create and maintain our own self-righteousness. That is an anti-Christ belief system that denies the work of Christ. It is the belief system of Lucifer - "I will be like the Most High" - he fed this same lie to Eve and Adam - they could be like God without God.

It too had the "appearance of good" but it is trying to get life without relying on God Himself. This is what the D.I.Y self-righteousness/holiness humanistic mindset is based on at it's core. Unbelief in Christ's work on the cross and resurrection - Jesus is not enough - we need to do things to help Christ with righteousness.

it has always been about Christ in us and through us....HIS righteousness and not our own........to reject the imputed righteousness of Christ is to reject Christ!

Remember Jesus' and Peter's exchange about washing Peter's feet.........not my feet only Lord.....!

 

[dcontroversal]

Ho ho ho, the same crowd, DC, EG, g7, this will be fun... at least I know exactly your tack ...

Maybe the eternal destinies of men is a joke to you and maybe the imputed righteousness of Christ is a joke to you as well....Won't be a laughing matter when you crack your knees before Jesus.......

 

[dcontroversal]

I said it.
Imputed righteousness is not biblical, it is a reformation doctrine invented so that
believers could be sinners and still be regard as righteous and forgiven.

It is often taken to be Abrahams faith being reconned as righteousness.
When I learnt imputed righteousness of Christ is an invented theological term,
it settled for me another issue, that our faith is reconned as righteousness not our walk.

So you can walk righteously but that is not enough, because it is communion with the
Lord that is the life and the truth.

Now through Jesus's righteousness sacrificed on the cross we gain forgiveness of past
sins, washed clean and purified, so that we can walk blamelessly before the King.

The problem is without imputed righteousness surely one sin and we have lost salvation.
But if salvation or righteousness is actually founded on faith, then this is the grace covering
while we resolve our sinful issues through repentance and confession. Now if we do not
resolve them over time, our faith will wane and finally fail and we will fall away.

Now for most this is so bad and terrible, the idea of falling away it is unbelief to even say it
is possible, so you definately must not know Christ.

So this is a different faith structure within the same theology, but a different take on almost
everything, even involving reinterpreting what repentance actually is.

So there you have it, the alternative view point,

There ya have it.........good luck

 

[PeterJens]

But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
1 cor 1:30

This verse seems to be saying Christ Jesus is Gods righteousness, sanctification and redemption for
us. It does not say we gain Christ righteousness as a covering, because they would have thought
we gain righteousness for real through Christs righteousness on the cross as a sacrifice.
Very different meaning.

For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
2 cor 5:21

This verse is saying in Christ we are made literally the righteousness of God, not
Jesus's righteousness imputed on us makes us the righteousness of God.

That is just saying we are fake righteous, without Christs covering we are still
sinners. Paul is saying we become because of Christ and His work in us and
through us literally righteous, holy living testimonies of Gods work, because
we walk righteously. This is the miracle of redemption the victory of the
cross, the power of the Holy Spirit at work in our lives. Amen

 

[willybob]

"Faith" (faithfulness to God from heart purity) is imputed/reckoned/accounted/weighed as righteousness; see the works of Abraham> Romans 4, Galatians 3, James 2, ...Virtue is NEVER transferred anywhere in the text, and neither is evil transferred, both are a result of what you choose to do, either good works unto life, or evil works unto damnation... Deut.3o19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing:therefore choose life,that both thou and thy seed may live: 20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

 

[dcontroversal]

But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
1 cor 1:30

This verse seems to be saying Christ Jesus is Gods righteousness, sanctification and redemption for
us. It does not say we gain Christ righteousness as a covering, because they would have thought
we gain righteousness for real through Christs righteousness on the cross as a sacrifice.
Very different meaning.

For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
2 cor 5:21

This verse is saying in Christ we are made literally the righteousness of God, not
Jesus's righteousness imputed on us makes us the righteousness of God.

That is just saying we are fake righteous, without Christs covering we are still
sinners. Paul is saying we become because of Christ and His work in us and
through us literally righteous, holy living testimonies of Gods work, because
we walk righteously. This is the miracle of redemption the victory of the
cross, the power of the Holy Spirit at work in our lives. Amen

What part of the bolded do you not understand.....

 

[willybob]

Note" By the way, the magical transfer myth was invented by none other than? You guessed it, Martin Luther...

 

[PeterJens]

Maybe the eternal destinies of men is a joke to you and maybe the imputed righteousness of Christ is a joke to you as well....Won't be a laughing matter when you crack your knees before Jesus.......

dc - I do not mind if you had an argument but you do not.
If the verses you quote can be shown to have a different meaning than the one
you project it is no longer a good theology.

Now many centuries of people dedicating their lives looking over these verses
is not going to create now in 2017 a sudden new insight. The best we have is
the spiritual setting of it into a glorious whole of victory and celebration of everything
we have been given in Christ. So I just call you to rejoice with me at the glorious
gospel of redemption and eternity with Him, for He is the Lord, worthy oh worthy
is the King of glory, Amen, who was and is and is to come, Halleluyah.

 

[willybob]

Imputed is a fancy Reformation legal term for the Greek logizomai which the pundits have used to memorize the flocks, it is more often translated reckoned/ counted/numbered most of the time...I think Tyndale only termed it as "imputed" one time in his translation...The whole idea is to foster the false theology of Penal Substitution, rather than the biblical way of covenant theology via ransom...

 

[dcontroversal]

"Faith" (faithfulness to God from heart purity) is imputed/reckoned/accounted/weighed as righteousness; see the works of Abraham> Romans 4, Galatians 3, James 2, ...Virtue is NEVER transferred anywhere in the text, and neither is evil transferred, both are a result of what you choose to do, either good works unto life, or evil works unto damnation... Deut.3o19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing:therefore choose life,that both thou and thy seed may live: 20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

I am not under this covenant....sorry...Jesus nailed it to the cross and I am found under the New Covenant....