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Because they are children of the devil and not of God. READ IT.
No it says Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child,

Anyone being the key word... you go and read it again..
 
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the scripture is clear that believing in Christ seals us with the Holy Spirit and He is in us forever
Who is "us"? You're begging that question continually. There are millions of sloppy, lazy, immoral pseudo-believers who need to hear a message of "hell, fire and brimstone"...NOT your message which is that everybody is saved, saved, saved.

If you believe you need to save yourself - then better get busy!
Quite the silly taunt. I do not believe in "saving myself". That is just a straw man that you erect.

The truth is when we preach and teach the grace of God in Christ - it supplies the nutrients to grow in the Lord and His fruit will manifest in and through us for a life-time of manifesting His life for others to see the love and grace that our loving Father has for them. They don't need a religion - they need Christ Himself.
Well...you sound like you're trying to rebut something. Just can't tell what it is exactly . Again, who is "us"? You're begging that question.

What do you say to a pseudo-believer who hangs out at your church and says all the right churchy-church lingo ("praise the Lord for the blood of the Lamb" etc.) but practices sin all during the week (shacking up, fornication, etc.)???

You would say - "praise the Lord, he has called upon Christ - he is signed , sealed and delivered - praise be!".

In dramatic contrast, here is what the Bible says - "do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

It is possible for people who act Christian-ish to "be deceived" and split the gates of Hell wide open. And people like you stand in the way of people like me, falsely accusing us of "salvation by works...because we are trying to warn these pseudo-Christians to...snap out of their self-deception.
 
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No it says Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child,

Anyone being the key word... you go and read it again..
so they are NOT God's child. They were never one of His own.
 

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Who is "us"? You're begging that question continually. There are millions of sloppy, lazy, immoral pseudo-believers who need to hear a message of "hell, fire and brimstone"...NOT your message which is that everybody is saved, saved, saved.
so they are pseudo believers and not really saved BY GOD.


What do you say to a pseudo-believer who hangs out at your church and says all the right churchy-church lingo ("praise the Lord for the blood of the Lamb" etc.) but practices sin all during the week (shacking up, fornication, etc.)???
I would excommunicate him. saying is not believing.

You would say - "praise the Lord, he has called upon Christ - he is signed , sealed and delivered - praise be!".

LOL wrong again!

In dramatic contrast, here is what the Bible says - "do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
because they have PROVED that God never saved them.

It is possible for people who act Christian-ish to "be deceived" and split the gates of Hell wide open. And people like you stand in the way of people like me, falsely accusing us of "salvation by works...because we are trying to warn these pseudo-Christians to...snap out of their self-deception.
Salvation by grace is SALVATION, not just forgiveness. We are all aware of pseudo Christians.
 
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so they are NOT God's child. They were never one of His own.
anyone means exactly waht it says and means,,, humm i wonder if the oxford dictionary based salvationist will argue this with tht Oxford dictionary as verbiage and past tense nonesence ?
 

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anyone means exactly waht it says and means,,, humm i wonder if the oxford dictionary based salvationist will argue this with tht Oxford dictionary as verbiage and past tense nonesence ?
I suggest you look at context. But it explains your queer beliefs.
 
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I suggest you look at context. But it explains your queer beliefs.
why would believing anyone could mean anyone queer ? sorry i dont get your queer language... and how come im the only one here who get there words edited ? when some have said the same word as sh** and not had there words edited ?
 
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your peculiar interpretation of 'anyone' in that passage is queer or odd.
No you using the word Queer for a genuine honest question of the meaning of anyone meaning just about anyone is bit nutjob to me..
 

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No you using the word Queer for a genuine honest question of the meaning of anyone meaning just about anyone is bit nutjob to me..
'Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child.'. To a normal person that means that the person who does not do what is right is not God's child. Full stop. And if they are not God's child they never have been.

YOU may be careless with your children. God is NOT.
 

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'Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child.'. To a normal person that means that the person who does not do what is right is not God's child. Full stop. And if they are not God's child they never have been.

YOU may be careless with your children. God is NOT.
Is he not loving though that when his children do not do what is right to correct them?

God is not careless with his children but loving
 
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If you are doing the work to GAIN salvation, You are doing something to EARN a reward. Gods gift is not a prize or a reward for good works. It is a gift. He said to recieve it. Thats it..

Those who call out on the name of the lord were saved the moment they trusted Christ, The calling out was proof of their faith.

If you want to try to earn a gift,. Feel free.. I will continue to trust Christ assured he will keep his promise.
I see the cake takers are out in force pushing a works based false gospel that has no power to save, one that is double cursed....Galatians 1, 3

Jesus was very clear when he said, "Plenteous in number" will come before my throne boasting of their good works...LORD LORD.......tragic day for ALL who blend faith and works for salvation.......!
 
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1 John 3:10-18New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.




It says if you do not love your Brother you are not baring fruits and you will wither...
The fornicator in the Corinthian Church and the saved who produce wood, hay and stubble ALL contradict you working for false gospel
 
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so they are NOT God's child. They were never one of His own.
It is like trying to drive a nail into a 100 year old Brazilian Walnut plank....so hard you can barely dent it with a hammer when distressing it to make it look old and used.....!
 
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Is he not loving though that when his children do not do what is right to correct them?

God is not careless with his children but loving
He only chastens SONS...not LOST MEN.....and CHILDREN do not get whipped for doing right and or not sinning.....their logic misses the mark by about 5 light years.....!
 
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I suggest you look at context. But it explains your queer beliefs.
The bolded word is not in his vocabulary.....as a matter of fact the entire concept alludes him....as well as the simple, inspired words, definitions of said words, and verb tense of the bible.......just stating facts........
 

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He only chastens SONS...not LOST MEN.....and CHILDREN do not get whipped for doing right and or not sinning.....their logic misses the mark by about 5 light years.....!
That he does. He does not take a belt to our backside, a smack around the head.
I lived like he did for a long long while. Waiting for the sky fall on my head.

What a twisted view of our Father.
 
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I suggest you look at context. But it explains your queer beliefs.
The bolded word above is not in his vocabulary....as a matter of fact, it is a foreign concept, along with the verb tense, inspired verbiage, inspired definitions of said words to be found in the bible...just stating the facts....