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I have no idea why you cannot see love is a problem for you.
It has always been my heart in Christ from the start of coming to faith.
Some obviously see Christ very differently. I fear people are very religious while denying it.
Every person who meets Christ, love is the overwhelming impression they get.
It has always been my heart in Christ from the start of coming to faith.
Some obviously see Christ very differently. I fear people are very religious while denying it.
Every person who meets Christ, love is the overwhelming impression they get.
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Jimbo you posted
To which I responded and asked for the relevance and also said that I don't think it makes sense.
Now to me you say "it is easier for a a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven"
Then you say "Now why is it so many rich man give to the needy"
To me your two quotes contradict each other. Jesus says it easier for a camel to go through the eye of needle (I assume you know what that means) so it is obviously very difficult
When you look at the context here a rich young man has come to Jesus to aks him "What must I do to inherit eternal life?
Jesus quotes the law to him and the rich young man says "I have kept them all"
Then
Mark 10:21-22
Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “One thing you lack: Go your way, sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, take up the cross, and follow Me.”
But he was sad at this word, and went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
Jesus asked him to give it all away and follow him.
Now this rich young man claimed to have kept the whole law, now if as you say giving to the is a work, this young man kept the Mosaic law but could not keep this one, therefore keeping the Mosaic Law and not this one means he has fallen foul by just one work he could not do. The rest he did keep means diddly squat.
I am not saying works do not matter, we do not do works to be saved but we do works because we are saved.
It is the Holy Spirit working in us to conform us to the image of Christ.
Can I ask you "Have you sold everything you have to give it to the poor? I guess not, cause if you had you wouldn't have a laptop or iPad or whatever you are using to be posting on this forum.
You see, fall foul of one work every other work you have kept means nothing
To which I responded and asked for the relevance and also said that I don't think it makes sense.
Now to me you say "it is easier for a a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven"
Then you say "Now why is it so many rich man give to the needy"
To me your two quotes contradict each other. Jesus says it easier for a camel to go through the eye of needle (I assume you know what that means) so it is obviously very difficult
When you look at the context here a rich young man has come to Jesus to aks him "What must I do to inherit eternal life?
Jesus quotes the law to him and the rich young man says "I have kept them all"
Then
Mark 10:21-22
Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “One thing you lack: Go your way, sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, take up the cross, and follow Me.”
But he was sad at this word, and went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
Jesus asked him to give it all away and follow him.
Now this rich young man claimed to have kept the whole law, now if as you say giving to the is a work, this young man kept the Mosaic law but could not keep this one, therefore keeping the Mosaic Law and not this one means he has fallen foul by just one work he could not do. The rest he did keep means diddly squat.
I am not saying works do not matter, we do not do works to be saved but we do works because we are saved.
It is the Holy Spirit working in us to conform us to the image of Christ.
Can I ask you "Have you sold everything you have to give it to the poor? I guess not, cause if you had you wouldn't have a laptop or iPad or whatever you are using to be posting on this forum.
You see, fall foul of one work every other work you have kept means nothing
The Lord rewards You for honouring him For instance If you honour Him by obeying him after you are Given your first fruits of the spirit... as it it is written those born of the first fruits wait patiently for that day of salvation so it is also written in proverbs...
Proverbs 3:9
9Honor the LORD from your wealth And from the first of all your produce; 10So your barns will be filled with plenty And your vats will overflow with new wine
Proverbs 3:9
9Honor the LORD from your wealth And from the first of all your produce; 10So your barns will be filled with plenty And your vats will overflow with new wine
KJ21
Honor the Lord with thy substance and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
ASV
Honor Jehovah with thy substance, And with the first-fruits of all thine increase:
AMP
Honor the Lord with your wealth And with the first fruits of all your crops (income);
AMPC
Honor the Lord with your capital and sufficiency [from righteous labors] and with the firstfruits of all your income;
BRG
Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
CSB
Honor the Lord with your possessions and with the first produce of your entire harvest;
CEB
Honor the Lord with your wealth and with the first of all your crops.
CJB
Honor Adonai with your wealth and with the firstfruits of all your income.
CEV
Honor the Lord by giving him your money and the first part of all your crops.
DARBY
Honour Jehovah with thy substance, and with the first-fruits of all thine increase;
DRA
Honour the Lord with thy substance, and give him of the first of all thy fruits:
ERV
Honor the Lord with your wealth and the first part of your harvest.
ESV
Honor the Lord with your wealth and with the firstfruits of all your produce;
ESVUK
Honour the Lord with your wealth and with the firstfruits of all your produce;
EXB
Honor the Lord with your wealth and the firstfruits from all your crops.
GNV
Honor the Lord with thy riches, and with the first fruits of all thine increase.
GW
Honor the Lord with your wealth and with the first and best part of all your income.
GNT
Honor the Lord by making him an offering from the best of all that your land produces.
HCSB
Honor the Lord with your possessions and with the first produce of your entire harvest;
ICB
Honor the Lord by giving him part of your wealth. Give him the firstfruits from all your crops.
ISV
Honor the Lord with your wealth and with the first of all your produce,
JUB
Honour the LORD with thy substance and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
KJV
Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
AKJV
Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
LEB
Honor Yahweh from your substance, and from the firstfruits of all that will come to you,
TLB
Honor the Lord by giving him the first part of all your income, and he will fill your barns with wheat and barley and overflow your wine vats with the finest wines.
MSG
Trust God from the bottom of your heart; don’t try to figure out everything on your own. Listen for God’s voice in everything you do, everywhere you go; he’s the one who will keep you on track. Don’t assume that you know it all. Run to God! Run from evil! Your body will glow with health, your very bones will vibrate with life! Honor God with everything you own; give him the first and the best. Your barns will burst, your wine vats will brim over. But don’t, dear friend, resent God’s discipline; don’t sulk under his loving correction. It’s the child he loves that God corrects; a father’s delight is behind all this.
MEV
Honor the Lord with your substance, and with the first fruits of all your increase;
NOG
Honor Yahweh with your wealth and with the first and best part of all your income.
NABRE
Honor the Lord with your wealth, with first fruits of all your produce;
NASB
Honor the Lord from your wealth And from the first of all your produce;
NCV
Honor the Lord with your wealth and the firstfruits from all your crops.
NET
Honor the Lord from your wealth and from the first fruits of all your crops;
NIRV
Honor the Lord with your wealth. Give him the first share of all your crops.
NIV
Honor the Lord with your wealth, with the firstfruits of all your crops;
NIVUK
Honour the Lord with your wealth, with the firstfruits of all your crops;
NKJV
Honor the Lord with your possessions, And with the firstfruits of all your increase;
NLV
Honor the Lord with your riches, and with the first of all you grow.
NLT
Honor the Lord with your wealth and with the best part of everything you produce.
NRSV
Honor the Lord with your substance and with the first fruits of all your produce;
NRSVA
Honour the Lord with your substance and with the first fruits of all your produce;
NRSVACE
Honour the Lord with your substance and with the first fruits of all your produce;
NRSVCE
Honor the Lord with your substance and with the first fruits of all your produce;
OJB
Honor Hashem with thy substance, and with the reshit (firstfruit) of all thine increase;
RSV
Honor the Lord with your substance and with the first fruits of all your produce;
RSVCE
Honor the Lord with your substance and with the first fruits of all your produce;
TLV
Honor Adonai with your wealth and with the first of your entire harvest.
VOICE
Pay tribute to the Eternal in all of your affairs. Honor Him with the best of what you make.
WEB
Honor Yahweh with your substance, with the first fruits of all your increase:
WYC
Honour thou the Lord of thy chattel, and of the best of all thy fruits give thou to poor men; (Honour thou the Lord with thy possessions, and with the best of all thy fruits, or of all thy earnings
YLT
Honour Jehovah from thy substance, And from the beginning of all thine increase;
Honor the Lord with thy substance and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
ASV
Honor Jehovah with thy substance, And with the first-fruits of all thine increase:
AMP
Honor the Lord with your wealth And with the first fruits of all your crops (income);
AMPC
Honor the Lord with your capital and sufficiency [from righteous labors] and with the firstfruits of all your income;
BRG
Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
CSB
Honor the Lord with your possessions and with the first produce of your entire harvest;
CEB
Honor the Lord with your wealth and with the first of all your crops.
CJB
Honor Adonai with your wealth and with the firstfruits of all your income.
CEV
Honor the Lord by giving him your money and the first part of all your crops.
DARBY
Honour Jehovah with thy substance, and with the first-fruits of all thine increase;
DRA
Honour the Lord with thy substance, and give him of the first of all thy fruits:
ERV
Honor the Lord with your wealth and the first part of your harvest.
ESV
Honor the Lord with your wealth and with the firstfruits of all your produce;
ESVUK
Honour the Lord with your wealth and with the firstfruits of all your produce;
EXB
Honor the Lord with your wealth and the firstfruits from all your crops.
GNV
Honor the Lord with thy riches, and with the first fruits of all thine increase.
GW
Honor the Lord with your wealth and with the first and best part of all your income.
GNT
Honor the Lord by making him an offering from the best of all that your land produces.
HCSB
Honor the Lord with your possessions and with the first produce of your entire harvest;
ICB
Honor the Lord by giving him part of your wealth. Give him the firstfruits from all your crops.
ISV
Honor the Lord with your wealth and with the first of all your produce,
JUB
Honour the LORD with thy substance and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
KJV
Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
AKJV
Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
LEB
Honor Yahweh from your substance, and from the firstfruits of all that will come to you,
TLB
Honor the Lord by giving him the first part of all your income, and he will fill your barns with wheat and barley and overflow your wine vats with the finest wines.
MSG
Trust God from the bottom of your heart; don’t try to figure out everything on your own. Listen for God’s voice in everything you do, everywhere you go; he’s the one who will keep you on track. Don’t assume that you know it all. Run to God! Run from evil! Your body will glow with health, your very bones will vibrate with life! Honor God with everything you own; give him the first and the best. Your barns will burst, your wine vats will brim over. But don’t, dear friend, resent God’s discipline; don’t sulk under his loving correction. It’s the child he loves that God corrects; a father’s delight is behind all this.
MEV
Honor the Lord with your substance, and with the first fruits of all your increase;
NOG
Honor Yahweh with your wealth and with the first and best part of all your income.
NABRE
Honor the Lord with your wealth, with first fruits of all your produce;
NASB
Honor the Lord from your wealth And from the first of all your produce;
NCV
Honor the Lord with your wealth and the firstfruits from all your crops.
NET
Honor the Lord from your wealth and from the first fruits of all your crops;
NIRV
Honor the Lord with your wealth. Give him the first share of all your crops.
NIV
Honor the Lord with your wealth, with the firstfruits of all your crops;
NIVUK
Honour the Lord with your wealth, with the firstfruits of all your crops;
NKJV
Honor the Lord with your possessions, And with the firstfruits of all your increase;
NLV
Honor the Lord with your riches, and with the first of all you grow.
NLT
Honor the Lord with your wealth and with the best part of everything you produce.
NRSV
Honor the Lord with your substance and with the first fruits of all your produce;
NRSVA
Honour the Lord with your substance and with the first fruits of all your produce;
NRSVACE
Honour the Lord with your substance and with the first fruits of all your produce;
NRSVCE
Honor the Lord with your substance and with the first fruits of all your produce;
OJB
Honor Hashem with thy substance, and with the reshit (firstfruit) of all thine increase;
RSV
Honor the Lord with your substance and with the first fruits of all your produce;
RSVCE
Honor the Lord with your substance and with the first fruits of all your produce;
TLV
Honor Adonai with your wealth and with the first of your entire harvest.
VOICE
Pay tribute to the Eternal in all of your affairs. Honor Him with the best of what you make.
WEB
Honor Yahweh with your substance, with the first fruits of all your increase:
WYC
Honour thou the Lord of thy chattel, and of the best of all thy fruits give thou to poor men; (Honour thou the Lord with thy possessions, and with the best of all thy fruits, or of all thy earnings
YLT
Honour Jehovah from thy substance, And from the beginning of all thine increase;
Jimbo my friend, that really does not answer my post above.
You quote first fruits which is correct
But Jesus said to the rich young man "Give it all away"
I am quoting the rich young man because you quoted "Eye of the needle" which was the end of the end of the concourse where Jesus said "Sell it All and give it to the needy.
All is not the first fruit it is all the fruit.
It also seems to me "Wait patiently for that day of salvation" which if memory serves me is something you hope for but not yet sure of you have now bought up.
Any reason why? Me thinks you are trying to tie works with salvation in the hope that works assure your salvation.
So I ask you again based on the rich young ruler and the response of Jesus.
Have you sold all you have and given it to the needy (a work of giving as you have stated).
Please for me can reconcile my question with your thoughts.
You quote first fruits which is correct
But Jesus said to the rich young man "Give it all away"
I am quoting the rich young man because you quoted "Eye of the needle" which was the end of the end of the concourse where Jesus said "Sell it All and give it to the needy.
All is not the first fruit it is all the fruit.
It also seems to me "Wait patiently for that day of salvation" which if memory serves me is something you hope for but not yet sure of you have now bought up.
Any reason why? Me thinks you are trying to tie works with salvation in the hope that works assure your salvation.
So I ask you again based on the rich young ruler and the response of Jesus.
Have you sold all you have and given it to the needy (a work of giving as you have stated).
Please for me can reconcile my question with your thoughts.
proverbs 3 Good frind dont forget all that i have taught you,,, take to heart my commands. theyll help you live a long long time... a long life lived full and well...
dont lose your grip on love and loyality tie them round your neck, calf there initials on your heart. earn a reputation for living welll in Gods eyes and in the eyes of the people....
Trust God from the bottom of your heart and don try to fighure everthing out on your owm....#
Listen To Gods voice and everything you , and everwhere you go...
So that you will remain in his light
Hes the One who keeps you on track.
Dont assume that you know it all (or presume)
run to God ,,, Run from Evil...
dont lose your grip on love and loyality tie them round your neck, calf there initials on your heart. earn a reputation for living welll in Gods eyes and in the eyes of the people....
Trust God from the bottom of your heart and don try to fighure everthing out on your owm....#
Listen To Gods voice and everything you , and everwhere you go...
So that you will remain in his light
Hes the One who keeps you on track.
Dont assume that you know it all (or presume)
run to God ,,, Run from Evil...
compared to some you may be.
Compared to the 3rd world you are.
Anyway i think being rich or not is not the point Jesus was making.
To me Jesus was making a point the rich young man.
The rich young man said he keeps the whole of the law. I do this and do that. I don't steal, commit adultery, murder, defraud and the rest.
Jesus saw straight away that even though he said he had kept the letter of the law he fell foul of the following
Exodus 20:3
“You shall have no other gods before Me.
The rich young mans wealth was his God.
Compared to the 3rd world you are.
Anyway i think being rich or not is not the point Jesus was making.
To me Jesus was making a point the rich young man.
The rich young man said he keeps the whole of the law. I do this and do that. I don't steal, commit adultery, murder, defraud and the rest.
Jesus saw straight away that even though he said he had kept the letter of the law he fell foul of the following
Exodus 20:3
“You shall have no other gods before Me.
The rich young mans wealth was his God.
