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Grace is a position<--IN the grace you are, having been saved out of FAITH, and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of GOD, not of works lest any man should boast.

The bolded is directed at the FAITH that saves.

FAITH is a spiritual GIFT and has been dealt to every man in MEASURE except JESUS who received it without measure.

FROM FAITH to FAITH it is written, THE JUST shall live by FAITH

WHY would I believe faith is a selfish work...it is a spiritual GIFT

and nice try on your last question.....

Abraham was justified BEFORE GOD by FAITH void of works

JAMES said MEN can see our invisible faith (that justifies before GOD) by the fruit or works that we bear.

NONE have stated that a believer will not produce fruit or works....the facts are clear...faith and faith alone saves, justifies, seals and sanctifies positionally in Christ for eternity......the works or fruit that one may bear is the direct result of the faith and salvation one already possesses.

and I will remind you of two things....and ask you a question.....

a. Some will produce gold, silver and precious stones....some will produce wood, hay and stubble
b. EVEN one piece of fruit = bearing fruit or work

HOW would you qualify works of wood, hay and stubble in a believer?
 
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HOW would you qualify works of wood, hay and stubble in a believer?
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I have asked that question a few times but it doesn't seem to be answered?

I wonder why?
 
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dcontroversal said:
Grace is a position<--IN the grace you are, having been saved out of FAITH, and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of GOD, not of works lest any man should boast.

The bolded is directed at the FAITH that saves.

FAITH is a spiritual GIFT and has been dealt to every man in MEASURE except JESUS who received it without measure.

FROM FAITH to FAITH it is written, THE JUST shall live by FAITH

WHY would I believe faith is a selfish work...it is a spiritual GIFT

and nice try on your last question.....

Abraham was justified BEFORE GOD by FAITH void of works

JAMES said MEN can see our invisible faith (that justifies before GOD) by the fruit or works that we bear.

NONE have stated that a believer will not produce fruit or works....the facts are clear...faith and faith alone saves, justifies, seals and sanctifies positionally in Christ for eternity......the works or fruit that one may bear is the direct result of the faith and salvation one already possesses.

and I will remind you of two things....and ask you a question.....

a. Some will produce gold, silver and precious stones....some will produce wood, hay and stubble
b. EVEN one piece of fruit = bearing fruit or work

HOW would you qualify works of wood, hay and stubble in a believer?
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To one man he gave the gift of tounges to another he gave the Gift of Faith... to me its clears Gifts save you... But not all Gifts are Faith alone Gifts
 
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BillG said:
I have asked that question a few times but it doesn't seem to be answered?

I wonder why?
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Jesus Christ tore down the middle wall of partition that separates us from God. Works of gold and silver are accepting His finished work as perfection and resting upon it proclaiming it as the only truth. Works of hay and stubble are to rebuild the wall oneself so that one can attempt to tear it down and perform a putrid self glory grab, a whole and complete work of futility imo.
 
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To one man he gave the gift of tounges to another he gave the Gift of Faith... to me its clears Gifts save you... But not all Gifts are Faith alone Gifts
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Can you clarify this statement for me please.
 
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Sully said:
Jesus Christ tore down the middle wall of partition that separates us from God. Works of gold and silver are accepting His finished work as perfection and resting upon it proclaiming it as the only truth. Works of hay and stubble are to rebuild the wall oneself so that one can attempt to tear it down and perform a putrid self glory grab, a whole and complete work of futility imo.
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Works of gold, silver and precious stones = faithful believer
Works of wood, hay and stubble = unfaithful believer
 
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JIMBO43 said:
To one man he gave the gift of tounges to another he gave the Gift of Faith... to me its clears Gifts save you... But not all Gifts are Faith alone Gifts
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ALL men have been dealt a measure of faith......the gift of languages was not for salvation, but a result of and used at that time....Paul said he would rather speak a few words of understanding than 10,000 in an unknown language.....
 
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dcontroversal said:
Works of gold, silver and precious stones = faithful believer
Works of wood, hay and stubble = unfaithful believer
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Right. It's highly under estimated how much faith and the process it takes to work out salvation to the point where we come to the end of ourselves only to realize it's already perfect. You cannot fix what is not broken.
 
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JIMBO43 said:
Romans 12:6 6We have different gifts according to the grace given us. If someone’s gift is prophecy, let him use it in proportion to his faith; 7if it is serving, let him serve; if
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To one man he gave the gift of tounges to another he gave the Gift of Faith... to me its clears Gifts save you... But not all Gifts are Faith alone Gifts
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The reason I ask is because what you have said comes accross that it's GIFTS that save. The plural. So it's faith plus ?? a gift.

Correct me if am wrong
 
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JIMBO43 said:
To one man he gave the gift of tounges to another he gave the Gift of Faith... to me its clears Gifts save you... But not all Gifts are Faith alone Gifts
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1 cor 12
[SUP]4 [/SUP]There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. [SUP]5 [/SUP]There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. [SUP]6 [/SUP]There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. [SUP]8 [/SUP]To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, [SUP]9 [/SUP]to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, [SUP]10 [/SUP]to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[SUP][a][/SUP] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]11 [/SUP]All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
 
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BillG said:
The reason I ask is because what you have said comes accross that it's GIFTS that save. The plural. So it's faith plus ?? a gift.

Correct me if am wrong
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Yes Gifts save like the Gift of Hearing his Voice
 
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dcontroversal said:
So...you quote a verse out of context to prove there are not two covenants.....more cake Jimmy!
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nope i can not revoke a clear instruction as not to expect my salvation but to hope for it... expecting is Not a hope and people do expect to win the lottery too :rolleyes:
 
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JIMBO43 said:
Yes Gifts save like the Gift of Hearing his Voice
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Faith here is the capacity to believe in God for extraordinary deeds

Word of wisdom
Word of knowledge

Faith Gifts of
healings Miracles Prophecy Distinguishing between spirits Tongues Interpretation of tongues

These are gifts for building up the church. They have nothing to do adding to faith in Jesus to secure salvation.


1 Corinthians 13:1-3


The Greatest Gift
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.

It seems to me that Paul is more concerned with loving people than having the gifts mentioned above.
 
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I know we will never agree, because you cannot receive truth, even as you ignored the scriptures I presented. I backed everything up with the word of God, and you did not refute any of them, because you couldn't. And you couldn't because it made sense. And as you can't receive truth, neither can you see that I am not working to save myself, seeing that I have already told you that I AM ALREADY SAVED, and shall be, SO LONG AS I KEEP THAT WHICH I HEARD FROM THE BEGINNING, because we are saved by the word of God, and if we reject the truth of the gospel after we received it, then we no longer have the blood of Jesus in us, and without the blood of Jesus, we have no life in us.

1Jn 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

To reject truth of the word of God, is to reject the flesh and blood of Jesus for the word of God IS the Holy Ghost, which also IS the blood of Jesus. But you won't be able to receive that, because it is truth and you cannot receive truth.

Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
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1. All you have is your idea, and your interpretation. Your passages or verses have been shown to be out of context by you by numerous people over numerous months.
2. Everythign things else I said to you stands
3. The mere fact you refused to acknowledge what I said, refuse to show me where I was wrong, just goes to show your true heart.

We will never agree, because I refuse to accept your INTERPRETATION of truth.

Again, Good luck saving yourself. Many will say in that day, Lord Lord did I not do all these great words..

I pray that will not be you.
 
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