TRIBULATION LIE

[valiant]

Originally Posted by valiant

There is no mention of any special tribulation period in 2 Thessalonians. It takes people with the mind of school age children to read it in. It is actually about the times of the Roman persecution in 1st and 2nd centuries.

God's wrath is mentioned in Rom 1.18. All these things have happened long ago.,

There will of course be general tribulation at the end, even as there has already been. But it will be no worse than the past. It will certainly not be worldwide as we know it today. Much of Revelation is history (and I am not preterite).

The Tribulation is like the future millennium, a pure invention of the unlearned

Good that you know IT so very well. But IT is without love if you hold people which have a different view for stupid( unlearned schoolchildren). As I said we will see it !

you are calling schoolchildren stupid, not me (see also the post to which I was replying). I view them as intelligent but with untrained minds.

I look forward to the coming of Christ, not some histrionic period which is man's invention,

 

[miknik5]

who is the "man in linen" mentioned in Daniel?

 

[dcontroversal]

May I ask you, where do you place the building of the temple?
Before or during the seven year tribulation?

Well, I don't necessarily buy a temple being built.....if anything I think it will be along the lines of the tabernacle like was used during the Exodus....and for sure if one reads much we can easily see that everything is prepared, the priesthood has been trained, a red heifer bred for sacrifice, instruments prepared etc......Been keeping up with it since about 97 and I started getting the Jerusalem Post......and I have a different take of the middle of the week......I personally believe that the first 1185 days of the 70th week were accomplished during the earthly ministry of JESUS. Daniel 12 tells us there is exactly 1335 days left to deal with Israel (Daniel's) people.....I place the slapping up of the temple/tabernacle in the beginning IF it is to happen....I have read they can erect the whole thing in less than 30 days.....and the abomination of desolation is the IMAGE built by the false prophet.....

note the following verse

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

The 1335 days is broken down into 3 time frames based upon math and the great trib lasting 1260 days....

1335 total time
1260 time of great trib
1290 verse above
leaves 45 days<--my view wrath

7 years x 360 =2520 days<--70th week

1185<---Ministry of JESUS and end of the sacrificial system at the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus
30 days of false peace at the division of Israel and the land for political gain<--when they shall say peace and safety sudden destruction
1260 days of the great tribulation<--rule of the beast, rise of false prophet, image created/set and all who will not worship KILLED
45 days of wrath

1185 plus 30 plus 1260 plus 45 = 2520 A.K.A. the 70th week of Daniel...

At the first, during the 30 days of peace is my answer.....

 

[Blain]

And, you should stop being a hypocrite. Show a little more respect towards those "senior" believers - who have been studying the scriptures a lot longer than you have been alive on this Earth - even if it "hurts" your ego a little bit...

If 'Sam' has lost the "love patience and peace of God" in his words, it is probably because his "audience" is a bunch of cold hard-hearted proud-and-arrogant naysayers who will not listen to the Word of God.

"Forget 'Sam' - what is the Word of God trying to tell you!"

You are waaaaaaaaaay too focused on 'Sam' right now, in my opinion...

True enough he has been in this a lot longer than I have but wisdom and understanding is by no means limited by age, I am not simply in a quarrel with him I am attempting to help him understand where is he wrong and help him to learn and grow. Of course when I see him making false accusations against people and speaking in a hateful manner of course I will confront him about it i cannot simply stand by and let him speak however he wishes.

Sam has a talent for writing I have personally seen this myself and I believe if he would just let go of this issue with rapture he could use his gift to help build and teach others but so long as his bitterness resides in him God cannot use him to his fullest potential. I am a little more focused on him because he is the one who needs it most i could care less about being right in doctrines like the rapture I only want to help guide encourage and to help others to grow and become closer to god.

So perhaps you may see this as my (ego) but a wise man gladly receives correction especially from a brother in Christ, my motives and his motives are polar opposites he wants to prove himself right and is getting agitated because people will not listen i have no interest in proving myself right and have been patient with him and only want help him see his error so that he can grow in Christ.

So please do not assume you know my heart or know my ego

 

[miknik5]

Well, I don't necessarily buy a temple being built.....if anything I think it will be along the lines of the tabernacle like was used during the Exodus....and for sure if one reads much we can easily see that everything is prepared, the priesthood has been trained, a red heifer bred for sacrifice, instruments prepared etc......Been keeping up with it since about 97 and I started getting the Jerusalem Post......and I have a different take of the middle of the week......I personally believe that the first 1185 days of the 70th week were accomplished during the earthly ministry of JESUS. Daniel 12 tells us there is exactly 1335 days left to deal with Israel (Daniel's) people.....I place the slapping up of the temple/tabernacle in the beginning IF it is to happen....I have read they can erect the whole thing in less than 30 days.....and the abomination of desolation is the IMAGE built by the false prophet.....

note the following verse

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

The 1335 days is broken down into 3 time frames based upon math and the great trib lasting 1260 days....

1335 total time
1260 time of great trib
1290 verse above
leaves 45 days<--my view wrath

7 years x 360 =2520 days<--70th week

1185<---Ministry of JESUS and end of the sacrificial system at the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus
30 days of false peace at the division of Israel and the land for political gain<--when they shall say peace and safety sudden destruction
1260 days of the great tribulation<--rule of the beast, rise of false prophet, image created/set and all who will not worship KILLED
45 days of wrath

1185 plus 30 plus 1260 plus 45 = 2520 A.K.A. the 70th week of Daniel...

At the first, during the 30 days of peace is my answer.....

So you think that the animals being made ready will never be used?

 

[valiant]

Well, I don't necessarily buy a temple being built.....if anything I think it will be along the lines of the tabernacle like was used during the Exodus....and for sure if one reads much we can easily see that everything is prepared, the priesthood has been trained, a red heifer bred for sacrifice, instruments prepared etc......Been keeping up with it since about 97 and I started getting the Jerusalem Post......and I have a different take of the middle of the week......I personally believe that the first 1185 days of the 70th week were accomplished during the earthly ministry of JESUS. Daniel 12 tells us there is exactly 1335 days left to deal with Israel (Daniel's) people.....I place the slapping up of the temple/tabernacle in the beginning IF it is to happen....I have read they can erect the whole thing in less than 30 days.....and the abomination of desolation is the IMAGE built by the false prophet.....

note the following verse

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

The 1335 days is broken down into 3 time frames based upon math and the great trib lasting 1260 days....

1335 total time
1260 time of great trib
1290 verse above
leaves 45 days<--my view wrath

7 years x 360 =2520 days<--70th week

1185<---Ministry of JESUS and end of the sacrificial system at the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus
30 days of false peace at the division of Israel and the land for political gain<--when they shall say peace and safety sudden destruction
1260 days of the great tribulation<--rule of the beast, rise of false prophet, image created/set and all who will not worship KILLED
45 days of wrath

1185 plus 30 plus 1260 plus 45 = 2520 A.K.A. the 70th week of Daniel...

At the first, during the 30 days of peace is my answer.....

LOL lol lol

 

[dcontroversal]

So you think that the animals being made ready will never be used?

Never said that.....I said, If it is to happen it will be near the beginning of the time frame listed above......

 

[miknik5]

And am I correct to understand that if a temple will be built you leave it in the first half?

if so. I agree with this
and I'd also like to know your personal feelings regarding this in light of THE TRUTH?

 

[dcontroversal]

LOL lol lol

I forget your a funny guy and know it all....

 

[miknik5]

Never said that.....I said, If it is to happen it will be near the beginning of the time frame listed above......

Sacrifices for the Jewish people have to happen when and where?

and why, up to this point in time have they stopped sacrifices?

because they don't have a physical temple standing

 

[ModernDayBerean]

Some folks wonder, why do you have to get so aggressive? Truth, I hate to see what is going to happen at the judgment of those professing Christians who have rejected Christ teaching about His return. I have known the Lord for 58 years and have studied the bible daily for 54 years, I know something about God and His word. Those who think they can reject Jesus teaching of His return to rapture the church in Matt 24 and Mark 13, and all God is going to do at the judgment is roll His eyes(as a pre-trib person said) are completely out of touch with reality. Read the story Jesus gave about His return to rapture the church, Jesus return and rapture was AFTER the tribulation...NOT BEFORE. Now search the bible and see if you will find any place where it says that Jesus will return BEFORE the tribulation. Now think about what will happen to all those folks who will go into the tribulation wondering WHY Jesus did not rapture them.

Why do we not reject every care of earthly actions and prepare ourselves for the meeting of the Lord Christ, so that he may draw us from the confusion, which overwhelms all the world? For all the Saints and Elect of God are gathered prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins.

 

[dcontroversal]

And am I correct to understand that if a temple will be built you leave it in the first half?

if so. I agree with this
and I'd also like to know your personal feelings regarding this in light of THE TRUTH?

If this is to me I told you what I think in post 103

 

[dcontroversal]

Sacrifices for the Jewish people have to happen where?

Guatemala or Alice Springs in Australia.................!

 

[Blain]

Also concerning the tribulation from my understanding and I may be wrong so if anyone has wisdom please correct me but I think there is a difference between god's wrath and the tribulation. in revelation it speaks of horns and bowls both of them when activated present things to happen on earth however they seem to have a different focus.

 

[miknik5]

If this is to me I told you what I think in post 103

Yes it's to you

sp you do not believe that there will be another earthly temple built yet if they sacrifice it will be in the first part of the tribulation

sir the fact that they are preparing a priesthood and a red heifer now implies that they have every intention of building a temple

 

[dcontroversal]

Also concerning the tribulation from my understanding and I may be wrong so if anyone has wisdom please correct me but I think there is a difference between god's wrath and the tribulation. in revelation it speaks of horns and bowls both of them when activated present things to happen on earth however they seem to have a different focus.

Bingo.....--->your ceeeegar ========

 

[Blain]

Bingo.....--->your ceeeegar ========

? whats a ceeegar lol

 

[dcontroversal]

Yes it's to you

sp you do not believe that there will be another earthly temple built yet if they sacrifice it will be in the first part of the tribulation

sir the fact that they are preparing a priesthood and a red heifer now implies that they have every intention of building a temple

Did you read anything I said.....I agree...just that I think it will be MORE ALONG THE LINES OF THE TABERNACLE.....WHY do I believe this...BECAUSE they have DIVINE instruction on exactly what to do recorded in the 5 books of the LAW

 

[miknik5]

Guatemala or Alice Springs in Australia.................!

One thing about me personally, I don't understand sly subtle sayings of cynicism or sarcasm

sp if you are being serious you will have to explain

 

[dcontroversal]

? whats a ceeegar lol

Blain....a cigar HAHAH as in CEEEEEGAR