Kenneth Hagin and the prosperity gospel

[Grace777x70]

Just to keep the malice and the slander of some down to a minimum such as post #357 - I will say this again concerning riches - I definitely believe that riches can be deceiving and I have written about this many times in the past.

Riches within themselves are neutral - they can be used for good or evil. When we get to heaven we will be constantly surrounded with the "evil riches"....think about it.

Riches are deceiving in the aspect that we think we can find life from them and if we have them - then we really don't need God as He alone is our provider.

This can happen for those that are rich and equally for those that are poor. We are trusting in and looking for life out of whether we have or don't not have them. That is idolatry and will not bring us the life that only is found in Christ.

He is our provider , He is our Healer, He is our Life.

I have seen an extreme view from some of the so-called prosperity type teachers. I believe in prosperity but in God's way and through Christ alone.

The other side to this coin is that even poor people can be in the same boat and be covetous so the riches themselves are not the problem. It's where is our trust? Is in in things or in Christ alone?

I have said many times that I don't believe in the so-called prosperity gospel in the way which some preach.

This continuing of the malice and slander is why we are told don't interact with those that continue to act with this sort of behavior. Rom. 16:17

We just bless them in the name of the Lord and walk on with Him.

We need to guard our hearts from this sort of thing. All is well... ( I read the end of the book and we all win in Christ... )

 

[joaniemarie]

It would be easier if folks stop attacking each other and showed heavenly wisdom and maturity in Christ,

Yet because I am a woman and younger than most of the men fighting, I doubt anyone will listen to me.

I was surprised to read you are only 34. You are the age of my oldest son. You post as someone older. I'm shocked at how many younger people are not thinkers. You can see it when some argue about politics too. They just believe and speak out whatever the news reports and explains how they should think. My son is a thinker too and like you can have a conversation based on things they have actually thought personally about.

 

[preacher4truth]

Just to keep the malice and the slander of some down to a minimum such as post

Malice and slander doesn't include facts such as you preaching the false prosperity gospel and holding to many other unbiblical errors and exposing them. The only slander is your deceitfulness and pretense while offering it yourself. Again, facts about your position are not slander - it's called truth.

 

[Grace777x70]

It's time to sing about our good, good Father! He is always faithful to us and reveals His love and grace towards all of us.


[video=youtube;z6-KdV3PXus]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6-KdV3PXus[/video]

 

[Ariel82]

I have not read any post in this thread since my last but wanted to add my current assessment of Hagin.

He reminds me of King Solomon in that he might have been lead by God and had wisdom in his youth, but as he got older he was seduced and worshipped false gods of power and wealth.

At the end of his life he realised his folly and wrote the Midas touch to show his repentance.

It reminds me of the book of Ecclesiastes and the conclusion of that book.

So I am no more able to judge him then I could judge king Solomon.

However we can point out the wrongness of worshipping false gods and seeking witches to raise the dead.

 

[preacher4truth]

It would be easier if folks stop attacking each other and showed heavenly wisdom and maturity in Christ,

Yet because I am a woman and younger than most of the men fighting, I doubt anyone will listen to me.

You know I have better things to do then watch grown men fight,.,gonna go study pray and other things God called me to do.

Good, go study and go pray.

What you call fighting, I'll agree - it is called earnestly contending for the faith; Jude 1:3; 2 Timothy 4:7. When I see others incessantly preaching error, given time, will expose them and am not going to lose heart or faint in the midst of it.

It's called being instant in season, out of season, and enduring sound doctrine, reproving, rebuking, and exhorting; 2 Timothy 3 & 4. It's what God has called many others and myself to do; Jude 1:3. Paul ended his ministry saying he fought the good fight 2 Timothy 4:7, and I'm not wimping out on that calling because some are weary over that fight, or because they feel it necessary to poke at those who are relentless in that good pursuit.

 

[notuptome]

If you really want to prosper in the gospel then go and sell all you have and give it to the poor. Then take up your cross and follow Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[PeterJens]

Yes, he does, he's a false teacher and preaches prosperity gospel, not the Gospel. As for you Peter, you spend your time telling other forum members they are lost.

My friend I spend my time bringing glory to Jesus and encouraging others to walk in
His ways because He bring victory into our lives.

I have never said anyone is lost, I have questioned how active believers can behave
in certain ways. For instance if you lie about me what does that make you?
Are not one of the traits of a follower of Christ they wish for peace and truth, sharing
love and hope. Is this your testimony or something else?

Let me go over somethings you have said about me
I am behaving in raising threads like diablo, I am two members, m007 & PeterJens,
I am a heretic, I am a troll, I tell forum members they are lost.

What happens if this is all untrue? What does that make you? Someone bearing false
witness.

Now others who have behaved like you is because they got upset about something
and set out to hurt me. So if I have hurt you, I am sorry. You obviously feel you have
a big grasp of movements etc. but you are very quick to class people into different groups
and then condemn them. Most are not that clear cut, and I think you miss out on the
journey of exploration we make as we grow in Christ. So if I can I would like to encourage
you, and help you to not be quite so strident.

 

[PeterJens]

Yes, he does, he's a false teacher and preaches prosperity gospel, not the Gospel. As for you Peter, you spend your time telling other forum members they are lost.

p4T - a small question. If someone is a false teacher, are they saved or just missled?

 

[Ariel82]

Good, go study and go pray.

What you call fighting, I'll agree - it is called earnestly contending for the faith; Jude 1:3; 2 Timothy 4:7. When I see others incessantly preaching error, given time, will expose them and am not going to lose heart or faint in the midst of it.

It's called being instant in season, out of season, and enduring sound doctrine, reproving, rebuking, and exhorting; 2 Timothy 3 & 4. It's what God has called many others and myself to do; Jude 1:3. Paul ended his ministry saying he fought the good fight 2 Timothy 4:7, and I'm not wimping out on that calling because some are weary over that fight, or because they feel it necessary to poke at those who are relentless in that good pursuit.

How does God say to contend for the faith?

By ways you think is right of how HE teaches?

I am not weary of contending for the faith. I am weary of watching worldly wisdom being called heavenly wisdom by both you and those you seek to fight against.

God's heavenly wisdom is first pure. It is also peace loving and gentle.

Many missed that and call it weakness instead of love.

I rejoice that people wish to contend for the faith. I just pray people learn to do it His way instead of their own.

 

[Stephen63]

It's time to sing about our good, good Father! He is always faithful to us and reveals His love and grace towards all of us.

I think it's time you quit side-stepping the issue & backpeddling every time someone calls you on the carpet.

 

[Ariel82]

p4T - a small question. If someone is a false teacher, are they saved or just missled?

Depends on the person and if they have God's holy spirit,

 

[Ariel82]

If you really want to prosper in the gospel then go and sell all you have and give it to the poor. Then take up your cross and follow Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

You know later Jesus tells them to take back the coin purse and buy clothes and a sword? There is a time and place for everything. Some times God tells us to be faithful stewards of his blessings and give to others. Sometimes to accept the blessings from others.

 

[trofimus]

p4T - a small question. If someone is a false teacher, are they saved or just missled?

What do you mean by a false teacher?

Somebody who said something wrong or somebody who is not a teacher but pretends he is?

Something like a false bishop, a false pastor, a false deacon...

 

[Ariel82]

I think it's time you quit side-stepping the issue & backpeddling every time someone calls you on the carpet.

He said this "I have said many times that I don't believe in the so-called prosperity gospel in the way which some preach."

Or did you miss that?

 

[Ariel82]

What do you mean by a false teacher?

Somebody who said something wrong or somebody who is not a teacher but pretends he is?

A false teacher is someone who claims to be teaching from God but is wrong.

Is that person deceived or willifully telling lies?

I don't know how we can make that distinction. Its one that God has to do because He can fix either problem.

 

[trofimus]

A false teacher is someone who claims to be teaching from God but is wrong.

It would be a false prophet or a false apostle, then, I think. Because only prophets and apostles can teach directly from God.

False teacher is more about a false position, I would say. Like "a false christ" or something like that.

Is that person deceived or willifully telling lies?

Depends on the person, of course

 

[Ariel82]

Kind of difficult for the likes of many on here as they spend umpteen hours per day arguing, and pulling Scripture out of context to argue, deceiving and being deceived, coming up with errant beliefs at a whim/ad lib as to whatever pops in their heads and never able to receive any correction. Some of them need to crack open their dusty Scriptures and some good dead trees from some solid men of God. And pray. Very little prayer going on and even less true learning and study.

We got books online now and audio sermons...we can let the dead ole trees gather dust if needed.

However i agree more prayer and study is needed if true discernment can happen.

I also think taking the time to listen and pray would decrease the bickering.

I love discussion and talking about God's words, but when it become personal attacks instead of revealing the difference between biblical truth and false doctrines taught. Then for me it becomes bickering.

Mainly because we are not God. We can't change people's hearts or minds. We can plant the seed. We can show the cracks in the spiritual strongholds, but they have to tear them down with the help of God and His Holy power.

I hope that makes sense.

 

[preacher4truth]

He said this "I have said many times that I don't believe in the so-called prosperity gospel in the way which some preach."

Or did you miss that?

...and churches have statements of faith, but when the church actually teaches, it many times proves it doesn't adhere to the SoF.

It is not in what a person claims, it is in what they actually teach. "OK, I heard what you stated, but what you actually teach screams much louder".

His teachings betray his SoF, and that is a fact. The word twisting, redefining, and support of prosperity gospel heresy is enough. There is no such thing as only partially believing in a heresy and being OK. The prosperity gospel saves exactly no one, and that includes the heresy of Osteen that he supports.

 

[Ariel82]

It would be a false prophet or a false apostle, then, I think. Because only prophets and apostles can teach directly from God.

False teacher is more about a false position, I would say. Like "a false christ" or something like that.



Depends on the person, of course

Well some false teachers claim to be prophets but some teach by twisting scriptures from the bible to support their
False doctrines

An extreme example is a woman who told how she was raped by her father while he quoted the commandment to "obey your father"

There are some pretty messed up people in the world.

I would never go out, if I didn't have faith in God's goodness and protection. That no matter what happened to my body, my soul would always reside in Him.