Those Who Deny Sin in a Believer
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So you think that sin does NOT have control over everybody's lives today? Oh yes it does... IF they fall into temptation and act on it.. And also, not a person on earth, either back then OR today, is righteous.. Not a single one. And in this quote right here, you said sin HAS been defeated. But in your other quote which is also here, you say sin has NOT been defeated. So which is it? Either sin was defeated while Jesus died on the cross, OR sin is still going strong today and was NOT defeated by the cross. 
One thing Jesus' death did NOT do, was change the fact that sin still exists today, BUT has been defeated even though sin (satan) won't admit it.
Originally Posted by Angela_grace
Wow, I think I'll stop now. Obviously, you don't really care to listen what I have to say. And why the need to tear people down? I honestly believe there was a defining point when Jesus ascended into heaven and gave us his spirit. After Jesus was crucified sin was defeated, not before.
One thing Jesus' death did NOT do, was change the fact that sin still exists today, BUT has been defeated even though sin (satan) won't admit it.
Wow, I think I'll stop now. Obviously, you don't really care to listen what I have to say. And why the need to tear people down? I honestly believe there was a defining point when Jesus ascended into heaven and gave us his spirit. After Jesus was crucified sin was defeated, not before.
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The law had power over us, The law condemned us,, Because as you even admit, You still sin.
Sin did not have power. Because when we are saved, We are empowered.. That is just as true for the OT as it is in the new.
We do have greater power. because we do not have the law hanging over us.. Abraham and David were just as righteous as we are.. Maybe more. (as far as works go)
Is it fair to say that everyone has a different perception, opinion, ideas, translation, of their interpretation of the Bible and God and Jesus? We are all complex human beings and none of us are perfectly cloned robots.
You 2 guys, seem to talk about sinless perfection and try to see it in what people say. I'm not sure why really apart from what I think it might be below;
What is it about coming across all the time, that you and dcontroversal are perfect in your perception, opinion, ideas, translation of these things, compared to others, and that others are imperfect and therefore you have to correct them?
Why not just appreciate the beauty of accepting each of us are different, that we are free to express different opinions to each other, as long as we are not 'destructive' in them, and we are not meant to define separate islands, we are supposed to try and merge our islands so that we become one in mind about God. That we 'bring God present'. I mean; underneath your mind, I know this is what you want, and it comes more from a loving place. Right?*
*if you take the time to think about it. For a moment.
You 2 guys, seem to talk about sinless perfection and try to see it in what people say. I'm not sure why really apart from what I think it might be below;
What is it about coming across all the time, that you and dcontroversal are perfect in your perception, opinion, ideas, translation of these things, compared to others, and that others are imperfect and therefore you have to correct them?
Why not just appreciate the beauty of accepting each of us are different, that we are free to express different opinions to each other, as long as we are not 'destructive' in them, and we are not meant to define separate islands, we are supposed to try and merge our islands so that we become one in mind about God. That we 'bring God present'. I mean; underneath your mind, I know this is what you want, and it comes more from a loving place. Right?*
*if you take the time to think about it. For a moment.
So you think that sin does NOT have control over everybody's lives today? Oh yes it does... IF they fall into temptation and act on it.. And also, not a person on earth, either back then OR today, is righteous.. Not a single one. And in this quote right here, you said sin HAS been defeated. But in your other quote which is also here, you say sin has NOT been defeated. So which is it? Either sin was defeated while Jesus died on the cross, OR sin is still going strong today and was NOT defeated by the cross. One thing Jesus' death did NOT do, was change the fact that sin still exists today, BUT has been defeated even though sin (satan) won't admit it.
Originally Posted by Angela_grace
Wow, I think I'll stop now. Obviously, you don't really care to listen what I have to say. And why the need to tear people down? I honestly believe there was a defining point when Jesus ascended into heaven and gave us his spirit. After Jesus was crucified sin was defeated, not before.
One thing Jesus' death did NOT do, was change the fact that sin still exists today, BUT has been defeated even though sin (satan) won't admit it.
Wow, I think I'll stop now. Obviously, you don't really care to listen what I have to say. And why the need to tear people down? I honestly believe there was a defining point when Jesus ascended into heaven and gave us his spirit. After Jesus was crucified sin was defeated, not before.
sorry about that other thing it was a typo. I meant sin had not been defeated in the OT times. Today sin has been defeated.
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Is it fair to say that everyone has a different perception, opinion, ideas, translation, of their interpretation of the Bible and God and Jesus? We are all complex human beings and none of us are perfectly cloned robots.
You 2 guys, seem to talk about sinless perfection and try to see it in what people say. I'm not sure why really apart from what I think it might be below;
What is it about coming across all the time, that you and dcontroversal are perfect in your perception, opinion, ideas, translation of these things, compared to others, and that others are imperfect and therefore you have to correct them?
Why not just appreciate the beauty of accepting each of us are different, that we are free to express different opinions to each other, as long as we are not 'destructive' in them, and we are not meant to define separate islands, we are supposed to try and merge our islands so that we become one in mind about God. That we 'bring God present'. I mean; underneath your mind, I know this is what you want, and it comes more from a loving place. Right?*
*if you take the time to think about it. For a moment.
You 2 guys, seem to talk about sinless perfection and try to see it in what people say. I'm not sure why really apart from what I think it might be below;
What is it about coming across all the time, that you and dcontroversal are perfect in your perception, opinion, ideas, translation of these things, compared to others, and that others are imperfect and therefore you have to correct them?
Why not just appreciate the beauty of accepting each of us are different, that we are free to express different opinions to each other, as long as we are not 'destructive' in them, and we are not meant to define separate islands, we are supposed to try and merge our islands so that we become one in mind about God. That we 'bring God present'. I mean; underneath your mind, I know this is what you want, and it comes more from a loving place. Right?*
*if you take the time to think about it. For a moment.
again, it sue, Why tell us we have power over sin, unless we do. The reason we ask if they are sinless is to get them to think.. Yes they still sin, like we all do.
It is actually if you think of it an insult to tell people what they have been saying all along as if they disagree with it. It shows they either are not listening to you. Or just trying to push their view on you, so much so they can not see what they are saying..
and yes, It gets frustrating,, I get that,, For both sides.. And any times, we do go overboardd responding, I confess. .
Hmmmm.....I think sin does have power over us. Take a baby for example, you don't have to teach that child to disobey(sin) but rather obey. "For we know that the old self was crucified with Him so that the sinful body might be destroyed and we might no longer be enslaved to sin." Rom 6:6 I think that implies sin has control/power over us.
Well, say something loving. Something warm. Something kind.
While you guys come across very 'intelligent' and 'knowledgeable', try not to forget that apart from intelligence, it is love which is the highest intelligence above all.
You know, like even, pointing out the 'good' things people say. Often the need to be right, or to look for errors in others so we can correct them, and to have someone exist that gives us the ability to catalyse being right, actually comes from a place of feeling somewhat 'powerless'. Like life can make us feel powerless sometimes. Or situations in our life.
We have much to teach each other always. I am your pupil, you are my teacher, you are my pupil, I am your teacher. It's never really one over the other as the better teacher.
Don't you find, we learn so much more in a discussion, if we leave that discussion with a warm smile. "I enjoyed that time." Often being right, above any person, only brings a self-satisfaction, which is not sustaining. Better to share the bottle of water than to keep it for yourself.
While you guys come across very 'intelligent' and 'knowledgeable', try not to forget that apart from intelligence, it is love which is the highest intelligence above all.
You know, like even, pointing out the 'good' things people say. Often the need to be right, or to look for errors in others so we can correct them, and to have someone exist that gives us the ability to catalyse being right, actually comes from a place of feeling somewhat 'powerless'. Like life can make us feel powerless sometimes. Or situations in our life.
We have much to teach each other always. I am your pupil, you are my teacher, you are my pupil, I am your teacher. It's never really one over the other as the better teacher.
Don't you find, we learn so much more in a discussion, if we leave that discussion with a warm smile. "I enjoyed that time." Often being right, above any person, only brings a self-satisfaction, which is not sustaining. Better to share the bottle of water than to keep it for yourself.
Sin is still in our members of our body and will be until we die and then eventually we get a new resurrected flesh and bone body that is immortal like the Lord's.
Sin as a noun used in Romans 6 & 7 is different then sinning - the verb. Knowing this difference changed my life to help me walk by the spirit instead of the flesh.
Sin as a noun used in Romans 6 & 7 is different then sinning - the verb. Knowing this difference changed my life to help me walk by the spirit instead of the flesh.
