Are we justified by works?
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I have found at least 7 things about doing the will of God on this earth now that we are in Christ.
1) That we have eternal life in Christ - John 6:40
2) That we be filled with the Holy Spirit - Eph 5:16-21
3) That we live a pure, disciplined lifestyle - 1 Thess 4:3-4 ( we live out that holiness that is already in us in our new man ..created in Christ in righteousness and holiness )
4) That we are rejoicing in the Lord, praying without ceasing, and grateful - 1 Thess 5:16-18
5) That we be a law-abiding citizen - 1 Peter 2:13-16
6) That we believe and influence others to believe - 2 Peter 3:9
7) That we commit ourselves to God and other believers - 2 Cor 8:5
According to the works-based salvationists belief system...if someone is not joyful one day or didn't pray for a couple of days...or was not grateful for a day or so and they died..then they would go to hell because they didn't do " the will of God"..( see #4 above )....
How foolish this nonsense is when we do not factor in the "will of the Father" for salvation in being with the Lord when we die. If we do not factor in the completed work of Christ for our salvation then we will come up with all kinds of man-made "works" we must do to "help" Jesus with our salvation.
What about #5 above...if you speed and crash your car and die..you go to hell because you were not doing " the will of God"...again the complete foolishness of people that say..not doing the will of God are not saved without factoring in just what is the "will of the Father" for salvation .
The "doing of the will of God" for salvation is to believe on Christ and it is by grace through faith only - no works. Eph 2:8-9
The saint who rests in Christ and in His finished work is the will of God and what appears to be his free choices are actually God's will for him. It's loving God because you know His love for you, doing what is inside of you under His influence. Phil 2:13
This will manifest as good fruit bearing in us - the branches. It is His fruit that is being done - His good works working in and through us so a hurt and dying world will see the love and grace our Father and Lord have for them.
1) That we have eternal life in Christ - John 6:40
2) That we be filled with the Holy Spirit - Eph 5:16-21
3) That we live a pure, disciplined lifestyle - 1 Thess 4:3-4 ( we live out that holiness that is already in us in our new man ..created in Christ in righteousness and holiness )
4) That we are rejoicing in the Lord, praying without ceasing, and grateful - 1 Thess 5:16-18
5) That we be a law-abiding citizen - 1 Peter 2:13-16
6) That we believe and influence others to believe - 2 Peter 3:9
7) That we commit ourselves to God and other believers - 2 Cor 8:5
According to the works-based salvationists belief system...if someone is not joyful one day or didn't pray for a couple of days...or was not grateful for a day or so and they died..then they would go to hell because they didn't do " the will of God"..( see #4 above )....
How foolish this nonsense is when we do not factor in the "will of the Father" for salvation in being with the Lord when we die. If we do not factor in the completed work of Christ for our salvation then we will come up with all kinds of man-made "works" we must do to "help" Jesus with our salvation.
What about #5 above...if you speed and crash your car and die..you go to hell because you were not doing " the will of God"...again the complete foolishness of people that say..not doing the will of God are not saved without factoring in just what is the "will of the Father" for salvation .
The "doing of the will of God" for salvation is to believe on Christ and it is by grace through faith only - no works. Eph 2:8-9
The saint who rests in Christ and in His finished work is the will of God and what appears to be his free choices are actually God's will for him. It's loving God because you know His love for you, doing what is inside of you under His influence. Phil 2:13
This will manifest as good fruit bearing in us - the branches. It is His fruit that is being done - His good works working in and through us so a hurt and dying world will see the love and grace our Father and Lord have for them.
Jesus did the "will of God"...and delivered us from this present evil world
Galatians 1:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
It is God in us that gives us the will and the ability to do His will.
Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
The Will of the Father is to believe on Jesus.
1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23[/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
The good works we do are from "being in Christ"..being lead by the Holy Spirit. Notice God has prepared them for us. We walk them out as we life our lives dependent on Him.
Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Galatians 1:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
It is God in us that gives us the will and the ability to do His will.
Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
The Will of the Father is to believe on Jesus.
1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23[/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
The good works we do are from "being in Christ"..being lead by the Holy Spirit. Notice God has prepared them for us. We walk them out as we life our lives dependent on Him.
Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Yes as sad as it is I do have to agree with you.
The church (not all churches) do not preach Christ crucified and why and what it means to follow Jesus.
I think also the church is guilty of rejecting the misfits of society, requiring them to conform and not accepting them where they are and whom they are. Church is meant to be a welcoming place, a safe place.
The church and its members should not preach Jesus without being like Jesus.
Jesus accepted the wounded, the broken hearted, the trodden on. People who would have smelled, people rejected, people with baggage placed upon them by the religious, people whose clothes are dirty.
Jesus met and went to be be with the so called dregs of society, the unlovable and he loved them and deeply I may add.
It was grace that set us free and it's that grace that we should walk in with others.
The church (not all churches) do not preach Christ crucified and why and what it means to follow Jesus.
I think also the church is guilty of rejecting the misfits of society, requiring them to conform and not accepting them where they are and whom they are. Church is meant to be a welcoming place, a safe place.
The church and its members should not preach Jesus without being like Jesus.
Jesus accepted the wounded, the broken hearted, the trodden on. People who would have smelled, people rejected, people with baggage placed upon them by the religious, people whose clothes are dirty.
Jesus met and went to be be with the so called dregs of society, the unlovable and he loved them and deeply I may add.
It was grace that set us free and it's that grace that we should walk in with others.
Hebrews 13:
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
the word "perfect" in vs 21 is the Greek word katartizō and it means "to fit out, equip, put in order, arrange".
It is God Who equips us with what we need in order to perform the good works which are according to His will.
And it is God who works in us that which is pleasing in His sight.
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
the word "perfect" in vs 21 is the Greek word katartizō and it means "to fit out, equip, put in order, arrange".
It is God Who equips us with what we need in order to perform the good works which are according to His will.
And it is God who works in us that which is pleasing in His sight.
I actually offered for jay to correct himself if he mis-typed or maybe I mis-interperted. he did not do so.
I like others are getting really sick of all the " be a good person so that God will love you and allow you to go to heaven " garbage. we are saved BY GRACE ALONE. anyone saying or implying anything else is a liar.
and yes, true believers ( not true workers ) will DO GOOD WORKS and be good people.
I like others are getting really sick of all the " be a good person so that God will love you and allow you to go to heaven " garbage. we are saved BY GRACE ALONE. anyone saying or implying anything else is a liar.
and yes, true believers ( not true workers ) will DO GOOD WORKS and be good people.
J
i already made this statement way back in thread.
and where does Jesus teach a specific order? you really think 2 people, both with equal faith/works, both produce equal fruits of virtue, die, cross over, judged, one gets sent to the hot place because he did things out of order?
Jesus never once rebuked anyone for a good work, never taught against works. you remove works from the faith then the faith is going to produce a nation full of corruption and destroyers. i think i know of a few nations going down that road as we speak.
and where does Jesus teach a specific order? you really think 2 people, both with equal faith/works, both produce equal fruits of virtue, die, cross over, judged, one gets sent to the hot place because he did things out of order?
Jesus never once rebuked anyone for a good work, never taught against works. you remove works from the faith then the faith is going to produce a nation full of corruption and destroyers. i think i know of a few nations going down that road as we speak.
J
we sure as the sky arent justified by sinning....
how about accept Jesus (not your works) as savior
and if you love him repent from your sin and stop looking for excuses
until you die and become new as in no longer look at your sin like its acceptable youre the same creature... Jesus is powerful doesnt let you stagnate
how about accept Jesus (not your works) as savior
and if you love him repent from your sin and stop looking for excuses
until you die and become new as in no longer look at your sin like its acceptable youre the same creature... Jesus is powerful doesnt let you stagnate
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