Are we justified by works?

[Ariel82]

Or said another way --- continuous faith and continuous disobedience cannot happily coexist.

Yes it can. If you faith is in an idol of your creation and you refuse to heed the chastenment of God but make excuses for your sin.

 

[Ariel82]

I have a problem with this paragraph:

"Works don't follow faith, faith and works are connected together, two sides of the same coin. Genuine faith is representative of a heart condition that governs action, hence the faithful are ALWAYS doers of the will of God and thus their deeds are done in God, just as the Bible teaches."

1. What do you consider good works?
2. What happens if someone doesn't follow God's will and falls into temptation and sin? For you said "the faithful are ALWAYS doers of the will of God" are they no longer considered part of "the faithful"? Do they have to re-earn their salvation?

 

[Grace777x70]

The Grace of God restores us to the image of God in which we were originally created to be. The core of the law is love the very character or image of God. Thus to have the love of God which is freely given in Christ by Grace can do no other than bring fourth obedience to the law.

Its not obedience that saves but rather is a simple outcome of the free salvation in Christ. That is why justification is by faith Yet without works faith is dead. You can't have Gods love and not love it just can't be.

Well said..It is the obedience of faith that is our response when we hear the message of Christ's work on the cross and resurrection. That is our true obedience - to believe in Him and His life will manifest His fruit in and through us.

Works-based salvation belief systems get this backwards. Obedience from the heart is a response to believe the word of Christ and all that He has done for us.

 

[garee]

Hi Garee
I'm in a different time zone and it's really late here.
I read the above.
You must have been a Christian for many years because you know a lot of concepts.
I just fear that they're a little bit mixed up.

Is it OK with you if I go through your comments Tomorrow morning and use some scripture to see if I've undrstood you?

I really would like to know what bible you're using. I have many and I don't see the word blaspheme for your verse.
Just curious. If you'd rather not say, that's fine.

Tomorrow...

Hi, again thanks for the reply.

Doubt is a good fear to try the spirits in that way. Doubt is not the opposite of faith, unbelief is. That would be no faith coming from Christ. It is called the hearing of faith us hearing Him who has no form

I am still learning (hopefully) trying to what do I call trying to un-mix what seems out of place like the faith issue. This is in regard to where it comes from, as the things of God or those of men. It is there that the father of lies tries to get a foothold in the door.

I really would like to know what bible you're using. I have many and I don't see the word blaspheme for your verse.
Just curious. If you'd rather not say, that's fine.

I use the King James most of the time which does us the word blasphemy. The new King james the same. The NIV the same (blasphemy)

Again it is connected with a work and someone usurping it.

The commandment in James 2:1 Do not have the faith of Christ is in respect to the work of Christ in regard to any prson to include oneself.. Seeing faith without works is dead. They cannot be separate form each other

Having that faith in respect to any other than Christ is to blaspheme the holy name by which we called heavenward.

Blasphemy is likened to plagiarism. In that sense it will be forgiven unto men who steal from another man. But not the Holy Spirit, the one way we can hear God.

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Again from my experiences most people shy a way from talking about the “faith of God”. Almost as if he way trying to steal our work.turning things upside down


The phrase speak evil of is in respect to the kind of evil that usurps ha which belongs to another. another f phrase is to speak blasphmy.


Strongs lexicon...987 blasphemeo {blas-fay-meh'-o}
from 989; TDNT - 1:621,107; v
AV - blaspheme 17, speak evil of 10, rail on 2, blasphemer 1, speak blasphemy 1, blasphemously 1, misc 3; 35
1) to speak reproachfully, rail at, revile, calumniate, blaspheme 2) to be evil spoken of, reviled, railed at

 

[Stephen63]

According to the works-based salvationists belief system...if someone is not joyful one day or didn't pray for a couple of days...or was not grateful for a day or so and they died..then they would go to hell because they didn't do " the will of God"

Your time would be better well spent if you quoted some sources to PROVE what you are saying.

I have yet with all the crying about "works salvation" actually seen evidence to back their claims of its existence or of those people they accuse of it.

No proof, no truth.

No truth, no integrity.

No integrity, no believability.

No integrity, no accountability.