Not By Works

[PeterJens]

You throw condemnation and false accusations with your words PeterJens and everyone stands here and wonders..


"while those who find victory and transformation wonder at the hatred
and condemnation that is falsely thrown their way."

You think those words refer to YOU, but they don't. They regret to those you are falsely accusing.

It saddens my soul to see it so, but I will leave it in my Fathers hands.

Ariel - The trouble with your words is you reflect only your perspective on an individual.
The Lord is one side and the world is the other.

You cannot compromise these issues. I pray you might grasp people are truly lost though
they can appear very christian, they have no clue the spiritual divide over which they stand
and where their hearts are set.

It is simple, do people have an open heart and know what purity and holiness is.
It is no surprise to me when I am accused of junk, not because I have it or even display it,
it is merely those who feel condemned every day by their lifestyle and actions cannot face
the idea others do not live like them.

You say this is condemning, but this is literally repeating their own testimony.
Now how this a false accusation, because that would mean they were lying about their own
lives and experience. So you are very confused, and really think you can walk this impossible
walk between the enemies of Christ and the Kingdom while trying to tell off both sides, lol.

But Ariel I cannot complement you or agree with you. You want to appease the rebellious and
the slanderers, who speak with no justification.

"Lord I give you my heart, I live for you alone" Amen.

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[Grace777x70]

Originally Posted by Grace777x70

So have I and people that have been here know who has done this too even though they deny it now. It's too bad. God bless them as we can see something is drastically wrong somewhere.

The sky is blue....


God will be faithful to all of us.

All is well...

That's what many people on this site are like, sadly. I have too but you just have to ignore it and not let it get to you.

Yes. I agree. You just avoid them and don't interact with them and leave them in the Lord's hands . He will be faithful to all of us.

 

[Ariel82]

So much language treated so lightly, such eternal issues spoken of with such disrespect and
rancor. And why?

Because a group of sinful believers want to say righteousness is impossible, or walking in love.
There is an inevitability about this. The defeated and empty, desiring to find relief find a compromise
of forgiveness while sinning,

Those are your lies and God will call you into account for them.

I proclaim the truth.

1. Blue spoke from her heart and her words were from,concern and loved for,someone who was abused and said to shock YOU and make you more careful of your advice and words.

You say you would be devastated and you should be,because people get killed by abusive spouses daily.

So instead of accepting her rebuke, you attack with the above lies.

2. Who are you labeling a group of sinful believers? Anyone who doesn't like you?

You are a hard person to like Peter. God tells us to love everyone, even out enemies but we dont have to like everyone.

3. EVERYONE ON THIS THREAD HAS SAID YOU SHOULD WALK RIGHTEOUSLY AND IN LOVE.

I pray daily that you would stop this libel and backhanded insults. It is NOT an example of walking in love.

You will make some excuse to say you atent sinnung, but God can show you that you are lying to yourself and about others.

You just said words matter in this post I am quoting from, sodomy brush me off by saying I am taking your words too seriously, they are just observations, etc.

You are condemning people and making FALSE observations and God will hold You accountable.

Yeah and He will hold me accountable too

4. Does God forgive sinners?

 

[Ariel82]

What I can't grasp is that you can appear very Christian yet claim that everyone you don't understand is lost.

I appease no one. I stand with God and His truth and anyone who falsely judges and condemns God's people is His enemy.

"You say this is condemning, but this is literally repeating their own testimony."

You have been shown over and over again, your perceptions are WRONG.

YOU MAKE UP BELIEFS AND SAY SO AND SO BELIEVES IT WHEN THEY DO NOT!

You said that Dcon, E.g. and G777 thought me a hypocrite, but YOU lie. THEY DON'T.

BUT I strongly suspect YOU DO.

 

[PeterJens]

Those are your lies and God will call you into account for them.
I proclaim the truth.
1. Blue spoke from her heart and her words were from,concern and loved for,someone who was abused and said to shock YOU and make you more careful of your advice and words.
You say you would be devastated and you should be,because people get killed by abusive spouses daily.
So instead of accepting her rebuke, you attack with the above lies.

Unfortunately, you may not realise, but every piece of advice is a risk.
And unfortunately this is just a forum.

Now you are calling me a liar. Fighting stuff, young lady. But then some have
told me you are not necessarily what you appear.

And you may not realise, Blue was wrong, and the person in question was doing
a wind-up. My point is simple, a rebuke makes sense if it is right.

You seem to not want to accept we can all be wrong, and taking risks is part of
walking in the Lord. Standing for righteousness matters, challenging people where
they stand and speaking evil against people for standing for righteousness is evil.

I am happy with my contribution before the Lord.
All I am standing for is righteous living. It is strange that this could cause such
antagonism, unless I am actually talking to sinners.

And Ariel I do not want anyone to like me. You do not get it. The way of the cross
is hard, not empathetic or sweet, or cute, or about putting an arm around another.

It is about seeing life and taking the right road. Jesus was abandoned by his friends,
he was delivered to his death by one of his closest, yet he held no ill will.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No breaking of plates allowed. Likewise, no throwing of cake.

"Thou shalt not waste fancy dishes, nor waste good food."

Is that from the book of Blue? King Jimmy Version?

 

[PeterJens]

What I can't grasp is that you can appear very Christian yet claim that everyone you don't understand is lost.

lol. You are not very bright, and I mean that very bluntly.
I do not understand anyone, how could I through such a limited medium.

But I know Christ, the cross and His love.
To follow Him is to be one with Him, in mind, heart and soul.

Deny the sermon on the mount, just not even close.

This is just basic discipleship 101.

On your friendships, they will destroy you. God bless, may Christs light shine in your
heart to bring you life on the day of resurrection.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I would be interested to know the thoughts of everyone who has posted on this thread.

What do we think works are?

I like the biblical defenition of a work.

1 Eph 2: 8-9 A work is somethign we can "boast of" or take credit for.

Rom 4 - A work is something one does to earn a wage, ie, we work to earn a salary, or some sort of paycheck.

We work to earn a reward. The bema seat judgment of 1 cor where we are rewarded for our work. BEMA in greak representing a judge who stood up on a podium and rewarded an athlete.

we work to earn the fruit of our labor. Which may be other people coming to God.. Bringing people back to God, Helping others grow in God, etc etc.. which in itself is a reward.

 

[Ariel82]

God's word is a two edged sword.

What do I appear to be?

Folks seem to have a false image of me.

God says as much as is in our power to love peacefully with men.

Do you believe or strive for that?

I don't mean compromise what you believe.

I mean pray and make sure you understand what is being Said and responding to that instead of making up false stories in your head and repeating them.

Yeah my words are fighting words because I am tired of you beating up my brothers and sisters with your words.

You call them lost, nutcases, without hope,etc.

I don't go around picking fights but I will stand for God and His people against anyone who tries to take away their hope, love and peace with their false words of accusations.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I thought about apologing for filling your thread with cake fighting. But I can't because I am completely unrepentant.

Lol.

I know I am blessed with getting away with a lot because y'all love me like that annoying little sister that followed you around and keeps asking.

.why? Why? Why?

What do you mean by this?

Why would you say such a thing?

Why do you believe that, do you have scripture?


I thank God for all your love and patience, but no more cake. My belly hurts. How about some water instead?

Unrepentant Sinner! You will burn!!!!!

Unless you give me some more cake

 

[Ariel82]

I like the biblical defenition of a work.

1 Eph 2: 8-9 A work is somethign we can "boast of" or take credit for.

Rom 4 - A work is something one does to earn a wage, ie, we work to earn a salary, or some sort of paycheck.

We work to earn a reward. The bema seat judgment of 1 cor where we are rewarded for our work. BEMA in greak representing a judge who stood up on a podium and rewarded an athlete.

we work to earn the fruit of our labor. Which may be other people coming to God.. Bringing people back to God, Helping others grow in God, etc etc.. which in itself is a reward.

What a very odd definition of work...what about God's work for and through us?

Does He get a reward?

 

[Ariel82]

lol. You are not very bright, and I mean that very bluntly.
I do not understand anyone, how could I through such a limited medium.

But I know Christ, the cross and His love.
To follow Him is to be one with Him, in mind, heart and soul.

Deny the sermon on the mount, just not even close.

This is just basic discipleship 101.

On your friendships, they will destroy you. God bless, may Christs light shine in your
heart to bring you life on the day of resurrection.

I may not be bright, but I have Jesus and His light shines through me so your insults just reflect the state of your own mind and heart.

My friendships can't destroy me because again I have Jesus and He is my Shield. my Rock, my Comforter and Savior.

Typical, too much truth and you run to another thread.

Take some time off inaccurately explaining what others believe and focus and prayer and ask God what He thinks of it all. You might learn something.

Maybe how to understand other people by listening to their words instead of putting your words in their mouth?

I agree, you don't understand anyone.

 

[dcontroversal]

Those are your lies and God will call you into account for them.

I proclaim the truth.

1. Blue spoke from her heart and her words were from,concern and loved for,someone who was abused and said to shock YOU and make you more careful of your advice and words.

You say you would be devastated and you should be,because people get killed by abusive spouses daily.

So instead of accepting her rebuke, you attack with the above lies.

2. Who are you labeling a group of sinful believers? Anyone who doesn't like you?

You are a hard person to like Peter. God tells us to love everyone, even out enemies but we dont have to like everyone.

3. EVERYONE ON THIS THREAD HAS SAID YOU SHOULD WALK RIGHTEOUSLY AND IN LOVE.

I pray daily that you would stop this libel and backhanded insults. It is NOT an example of walking in love.

You will make some excuse to say you atent sinnung, but God can show you that you are lying to yourself and about others.

You just said words matter in this post I am quoting from, sodomy brush me off by saying I am taking your words too seriously, they are just observations, etc.

You are condemning people and making FALSE observations and God will hold You accountable.

Yeah and He will hold me accountable too

4. Does God forgive sinners?

Glad to see you see how he really is....this is how he has been both openly and in a very subtle way.....and exactly why numerous people rejected hi, blocked his vitriol, dismissed him as a valid source of anything but contention. All of us have tried to engage him only to have what we say twisted, embellished and or completely changed into something we have not stated...

 

[dcontroversal]

I like the biblical defenition of a work.

1 Eph 2: 8-9 A work is somethign we can "boast of" or take credit for.

Rom 4 - A work is something one does to earn a wage, ie, we work to earn a salary, or some sort of paycheck.

We work to earn a reward. The bema seat judgment of 1 cor where we are rewarded for our work. BEMA in greak representing a judge who stood up on a podium and rewarded an athlete.

we work to earn the fruit of our labor. Which may be other people coming to God.. Bringing people back to God, Helping others grow in God, etc etc.. which in itself is a reward.

AMEN to this as well......like the bible states........we enter into his REST by FAITH as he has done ALL the work.........amen

 

[Ariel82]

Glad to see you see how he really is....this is how he has been both openly and in a very subtle way.....and exactly why numerous people rejected hi, blocked his vitriol, dismissed him as a valid source of anything but contention. All of us have tried to engage him only to have what we say twisted, embellished and or completely changed into something we have not stated...

I am still hoping and praying.

He is alright until he feels attacked.

 

[PeterJens]

Friendships that corrupt

If the dead are not raised,


“Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die."
Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.”
Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning;
for there are some who are ignorant of God—I say this to your shame.
1 Cor 15:32-34

There is an ethic, where if you are nice to everyone, that very acceptance
of rebellion against God without confrontation or rejection, means you will
be counted among the lost.

I learnt some time ago, allegiance spiritually can be seen by what one approves
of. The reason why there is a "religious" reaction to certain teaching, because the
spirit behind it is the anti-Christ.

If you give into this spirit, you pass over from one kingdom to another. Once the
break is made it will seem so true and complete, there will be no way back.

I have heard and seen enough people who testify to this reality and talk about it
like a conversion experience except they now deny mush of scripture and basic
moral understanding. That is not something spiritual people in the Kingdom do.

So there is much more that your realise going on, and we are not innocent individuals.
I cannot condone apostacy and heresy. God is very clear. You die.

A pastor wanted to check out horoscopes so got one done for his life. It started to
work and he was shocked. Then he realised he had passed from the authority of the Father
to that of the enemy, and the enemy now dictated his future.

So the pastor repented, and got right with God once again. The horoscope then failed.

Submitting to certain pastors and teaching can have the same effect on your life.
We fight against spiritual powers in the heavenly places, so beware were you stand and
what you approve of, and who you give authority over your life to.

 

[dcontroversal]

Total brainwashing...

Called history spongebob.....and no offence, but your not really a valid source on anything that I have seen so far....other than spreading a Pharisee type religion of works that leads to no where but bondage....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Dcon, can you do me a favor and set the record straight?

PeterJens claims to be talking for you in another thread:

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Hmmm I might have been mistaken but I thought all three of you thought I was a sister in Christ.

I know I annoy EG some days, but I don't recall him, you or G777 calling me a hypocrite.

I hate when people lie about what other people think and it kind of hurts my feelings.

Oh Boy, Here we go, Peter deflecting again, Instead of repenting of his own sins, and slander gallop again.. It will never change I fear.. I guess we can do as you said earlier, and just pray.

I would say something, But I come to realize, not worth it..

 

[dcontroversal]

I am still hoping and praying.

He is alright until he feels attacked.

Yeah I don't know about that....I have watched numerous people engage him with truth and no heat whatsoever at all only to have what I have already described take place......even now he casts insults, slurs and comments......

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Peter, I am gonna need some time in prayer before talking to you right now I want to hear what dcon, g777 and EG have to say.

If they would be so kind.

I know only old members read a 165page long thread.

Most newbies will avoid this one.

I get frustrated at times, But I have never hated you or claimed you were not my sister. And I think I even had to repent a few times because of some things I said.

It to me is just same old song and dance with a certain person..