Those Who Deny Sin in a Believer

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mj007 said:
The question I have is, is this state of sin and act of sin, a constant?

As in, if I analyse using time, am I sinning constantly, or in bursts, or phases?

Have I sinned in the last 1 second? How about in the last nanosecond?

Therefore in the notion of sinlessness, do people refer to a sinless life, or simply having moments of sinlessness? Is this really an impossibility to be sinless even for one moment?

If we are incapable of sinless moments, then surely we are incapable of being holy, or walking with spirit?

Holy and sinful do not really go together.

I can understand why some people might be waiting for the end and when they go to heaven, as they feel like the human state of being is a kind of hell that only gets washed away, and the body and flesh dissolved, when they go to heaven.

I like to think heaven is a place on earth. I believe every person no matter how good they are, has bad days because of biochemical changes in the body and flesh, causing them to sin, even if it's just anger.

So my question to those who bash people for having some kind of sinless perfection doctrine (which is actually just your perception and exaggeration of what they say), is, is it possible to have a sinless moment even for a nanosecond?

Yes or no? (this is the only question I am asking, the others are cues for thought)
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The Children of God do not live a continual lifestyle of sin, yet they do fail and do sin as no one can keep the word 24/7/365 and exactly why John writes the way he does in 1st John and why Paul states what he sates in Romans, Corinthians and why the men and women of the bible confessed their sins and why Jesus said what he said
 
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mj007 said:
The question I have is, is this state of sin and act of sin, a constant?

As in, if I analyse using time, am I sinning constantly, or in bursts, or phases?

Have I sinned in the last 1 second? How about in the last nanosecond?

Therefore in the notion of sinlessness, do people refer to a sinless life, or simply having moments of sinlessness? Is this really an impossibility to be sinless even for one moment?

If we are incapable of sinless moments, then surely we are incapable of being holy, or walking with spirit?

Holy and sinful do not really go together.

I can understand why some people might be waiting for the end and when they go to heaven, as they feel like the human state of being is a kind of hell that only gets washed away, and the body and flesh dissolved, when they go to heaven.

I like to think heaven is a place on earth. I believe every person no matter how good they are, has bad days because of biochemical changes in the body and flesh, causing them to sin, even if it's just anger.

So my question to those who bash people for having some kind of sinless perfection doctrine (which is actually just your perception and exaggeration of what they say), is, is it possible to have a sinless moment even for a nanosecond?

Yes or no? (this is the only question I am asking, the others are cues for thought)
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Reliance and continued reliance in thr Spirit we will have less and less sinful moments because we will learn more and more in obedience to fight evil by remembering scripture, fleeing from temptation, and prayer. We are not helpless to sin when we are in God. We are only helpless without God.

But no matter aslong as we live, we will only reach perfection in heaven. But a true walk in faith will have the evidence of a believer who lived a life of flesh vs Spirit.
 
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mj007 said:
The question I have is, is this state of sin and act of sin, a constant?

As in, if I analyse using time, am I sinning constantly, or in bursts, or phases?

Have I sinned in the last 1 second? How about in the last nanosecond?

Therefore in the notion of sinlessness, do people refer to a sinless life, or simply having moments of sinlessness? Is this really an impossibility to be sinless even for one moment?

If we are incapable of sinless moments, then surely we are incapable of being holy, or walking with spirit?

Holy and sinful do not really go together.

I can understand why some people might be waiting for the end and when they go to heaven, as they feel like the human state of being is a kind of hell that only gets washed away, and the body and flesh dissolved, when they go to heaven.

I like to think heaven is a place on earth. I believe every person no matter how good they are, has bad days because of biochemical changes in the body and flesh, causing them to sin, even if it's just anger.

So my question to those who bash people for having some kind of sinless perfection doctrine (which is actually just your perception and exaggeration of what they say), is, is it possible to have a sinless moment even for a nanosecond?

Yes or no? (this is the only question I am asking, the others are cues for thought)
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You know lost or otherwise people are when lying does not matter.
Words are our life.

If the words of scripture lie we are lost. So why do people resort so quickly
to this language? Because what is being said is too challenging.

Emotions are powerful things. If you think someone is saying something off
try and define it. You may find it is true, but not how you first thought.

Many times I listened to a sermon and not until the end did I agree.
It is why we need patience, love, faithfulness.

So many here are not listening because they are victims of their faith and
not victorious. Jesus is the truth, the way and the life, but for many just
words and not reality.
 
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dcontroversal said:
a. Nobody states that or implies that...another lie or misleading comment

b. God loves sinners saved by grace so to equate that to Satan show how ignorant the point is

c. EVERY one acknowledges what a SAINT is IN CHRIST

d. Your taking pride loss of salvation comment is false....as proven by the Corinthian brother

e. All the saved are the children of GOD having been a SINNER saved and justified by grace and faith!
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No sir, you not only imply these things, but you state and argue you are still a sinner saved by grace through faith and preach we are powerless over sin....even after conversion...you constantly make the case that you have no power over sin in your life at all.....you are simply proving what a double mouthed, double minded man you really are...if you truly believed all your bullet points, you would understand that some of us are not espousing sinless perfection, we are stating what the gospel says...we are a new man and SIN now becomes a choice...we will not be perfect or sinless, but as we spiritually mature SIN becomes less of an issue....as we renew our minds and walk in the Spirit...

you only agree with certain points I make to keep your universal salvation beliefs well hidden....you believe that it is the faith of Jesus that saves you and not personal faith. Because of that ALL will go to heaven, because in your own words on another post. You stated very clearly that the faith of Jesus saves you and not any of your personal faith...and if you do not change ithrough submission to God's constant discipline, chastisements, and correction, he will kill us physically and hand our flesh to Satan for its destruction, so the spirit can be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.....

This is nothing but Christian Universalism and you sir are in such deception you cannot see it..

And in your typical fashion because you cannot debate the word, you automatically go to loss of salvation....and will now spread lies about me that I adhere to works based /conditional salvation that can be lost...you do this because you cannot wrap your carnal mind around the truth of the word....
 
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dcontroversal said:
The Children of God do not live a continual lifestyle of sin, yet they do fail and do sin as no one can keep the word 24/7/365 and exactly why John writes the way he does in 1st John and why Paul states what he sates in Romans, Corinthians and why the men and women of the bible confessed their sins and why Jesus said what he said
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Goodness does everyone see the blatant contradiction in this reply!?!?!?

The Children of God do not live a continual lifestyle of sin


 yet they do fail and do sin as no one can keep the word 24/7/365


How do children of God that do not live a continual lifestyle of SIN, continually SIN?
 
dcontroversal

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truthhurts said:
Goodness does everyone see the blatant contradiction in this reply!?!?!?

The Children of God do not live a continual lifestyle of sin


 yet they do fail and do sin as no one can keep the word 24/7/365


How do children of God that do not live a continual lifestyle of SIN, continually SIN?
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Keep dreaming....there is no contradiction....the bible is clear....and to state otherwise proves your not very in tune with the bible and what it teaches....go back to the OP and elevate your sinless farce above the men mentioned....I can tell you...you are no where near their level of faithfulness.....

You should change your name to NOTRUTH......serious

and to your other post...universal salvation.....exactly what is that.....you, like most cake takers, sinless perfectionist and workers for sure like to judge motive and embellish or attribute things not taught nor implied...

and since you are too dense to understand.

continual lifestyle---prostitute who sells herself every day
believer----gets cut off at a 4 way and momentarily loses self control and flips the guy off

wake up junior
 
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dcontroversal said:
Keep dreaming....there is no contradiction....the bible is clear....and to state otherwise proves your not very in tune with the bible and what it teaches....go back to the OP and elevate your sinless farce above the men mentioned....I can tell you...you are no where near their level of faithfulness.....

You should change your name to NOTRUTH......serious

and to your other post...universal salvation.....exactly what is that.....you, like most cake takers, sinless perfectionist and workers for sure like to judge motive and embellish or attribute things not taught nor implied...

and since you are too dense to understand.

continual lifestyle---prostitute who sells herself every day
believer----gets cut off at a 4 way and momentarily loses self control and flips the guy off

wake up junior
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You have many here fooled into your garbage but there are a few of us that have been in many christian rodeos with clowns like you and are not fooled by anything....I never said I was sinless, you did....you completely contradicted yourself and now are resorting to your classic double speak, because you are double minded......your pride and arrogance and attitude prove you to be in deception...only deception of your magnitude manifests the pride and arrogance of your magnitude....

The only junior mint to dense to see it is yourself...
 
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Holy and sinful don't go together? What do you think Jesus was, while upon the cross? Sin was heaped upon Him, and God forsook Him because He couldn't look upon sin..

mj007 said:
The question I have is, is this state of sin and act of sin, a constant?

As in, if I analyse using time, am I sinning constantly, or in bursts, or phases?

Have I sinned in the last 1 second? How about in the last nanosecond?

Therefore in the notion of sinlessness, do people refer to a sinless life, or simply having moments of sinlessness? Is this really an impossibility to be sinless even for one moment?

If we are incapable of sinless moments, then surely we are incapable of being holy, or walking with spirit?

Holy and sinful do not really go together.

I can understand why some people might be waiting for the end and when they go to heaven, as they feel like the human state of being is a kind of hell that only gets washed away, and the body and flesh dissolved, when they go to heaven.

I like to think heaven is a place on earth. I believe every person no matter how good they are, has bad days because of biochemical changes in the body and flesh, causing them to sin, even if it's just anger.

So my question to those who bash people for having some kind of sinless perfection doctrine (which is actually just your perception and exaggeration of what they say), is, is it possible to have a sinless moment even for a nanosecond?

Yes or no? (this is the only question I am asking, the others are cues for thought)
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That last part is funny. I'm actually eating some Junior Mints right now.. :eek:


truthhurts said:
You have many here fooled into your garbage but there are a few of us that have been in many christian rodeos with clowns like you and are not fooled by anything....I never said I was sinless, you did....you completely contradicted yourself and now are resorting to your classic double speak, because you are double minded......your pride and arrogance and attitude prove you to be in deception...only deception of your magnitude manifests the pride and arrogance of your magnitude....

The only junior mint to dense to see it is yourself...
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truthhurts said:
You have many here fooled into your garbage but there are a few of us that have been in many christian rodeos with clowns like you and are not fooled by anything....I never said I was sinless, you did....you completely contradicted yourself and now are resorting to your classic double speak, because you are double minded......your pride and arrogance and attitude prove you to be in deception...only deception of your magnitude manifests the pride and arrogance of your magnitude....

The only junior mint to dense to see it is yourself...
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I hear lips flappin....with no substance......Christian rodeo you say....hilarious
 
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truthhurts said:
Yeah and the only rodeo clown still dodging the bull of truth is you....
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NOTRUTH must post truth before it can be addressed.....and so far....all you have posted is noting more than opinion without facts....

SO....you say you still sin as a believer and that point has already been proven by the OP...so...what's your issue...I will wait for your eloquent answer that evades any real substance.....
 
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the bible is clear, the problem is with your translations of scripture , and if you still want to be stuck in the old covenant , i would ask, you to ignore repent with a voice, you need an animal for forgiveness,and a law to repent from, in an old covenant. and the old covenant was given to a jewish nation, not a convert from gentile to christian teachings.(acts 15) all there wrote for you to ignore and be ignored by the spirit ,(4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.)

15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

your can not be in both covenants. (the transgressions committed under the first covenant.)

pentecoste is about here

acts 15 is about here.

70ad is about here.

new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance

 
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an other post to be ignored ,

15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant,


with free will its up to you,to prove sin, and what law, did you get your sin from.

​ignore that .

2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death

 
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Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.


Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness(jesus s righteousness, not our righteousness)


If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.


but if your in a old covenant then you not in the spiritual , and that would mean ...................................... etc

For God So Loved the World
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
 
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gb9 said:
by failing points, you mean sin. so therefore, not pure, righteous and holy.

the reason I repeat this so often is it is extremely important. words matter. the proper definition of words matter. feelings and emotions have nothing to do with the definition of sin. you either meet the standard or not. if not, it is sin. no feelings required.
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AMEN to this one as well........
 
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Even Job admitted his human sinfulness (Job 7:21; 13:26).
 
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