Not By Works

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BillG

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More contradictions from the bloviator....

Faith is a spiritual gift and the source is GOD.....another cake taker...I love the bolded above....

FAITH does not come from GOD.....and then say The BIBLE says HE GAVE each man a measure of faith.....which I have said a 100 times on CC in the last 4.5 years.....

NOTRUTH again it seems or contradicted truth.....which is it?
Alas he quotes the wrong verses for measure of faith and its context
 
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what ever the outcome of this next new argument lol which seems to be the genral twist here,,, faith comes from hearing and then believing... and then comes the gift..
 
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Alas he quotes the wrong verses for measure of faith and its context
and rips me.........some of these people are beyond dialogue....I have no problem being decent and disagreeing and discussing...he has had nothing but mouth when addressing me....
 

BillG

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what ever the outcome of this next new argument lol which seems to be the genral twist here,,, faith comes from hearing and then believing... and then comes the gift..
Jimbo my friend whats the gift
 

BillG

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We will see this differently because you believe in predestination....we see it differently than DCONN and Ariel, because they believe in universalism
Oh dear me.

Can you back up that quote?
 

mailmandan

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[SUP]14 [/SUP]What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? [SUP]15 [/SUP]If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? [SUP]17 [/SUP]Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no works. This is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. The absence of evidence (of works) can be construed as evidence of absence (of faith). *So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple!

[SUP]26 [/SUP]For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
In James 2:26, the comparison of the human spirit and faith converges around their modes of operation. The spirit (Greek pneuma) may also be translated "breath." As a breathless body emits no indication of life, so fruitless faith exhibits no indication of life. The source of the life in faith is not the works; rather, life in faith is the source of the works. Works salvationists have this backwards.

[SUP]24 [/SUP]You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
James is not using the word "justified" here to mean "accounted as righteous" but is shown to be righteous. James is discussing the proof of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).

In the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, the Greek word for justified "dikaioo" #1344 is:

1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

God is said to have been justified by those who were baptized by John the Baptist (Luke 7:29). This act pronounced or declared God to be righteous. It did not make him righteous. The basis or ground for the pronouncement was the fact that God IS righteous. Notice that the NIV reads, "acknowledged that God's way was right.." The ESV reads, "they declared God just.." This is the sense in which God was justified, "shown to be righteous".

In Matthew 12:37 - "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned." This is because our words (just like our works) reveal the state of our hearts. Words (and works) will appear to be evidences for, or against a man's being in a state of grace and righteousness.

Matthew 11:19 "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax-gatherers and sinners!' Yet wisdom is justified/vindicated/shown to be right by her deeds."

Man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9). It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-26). *Perfect Harmony*
 

Roughsoul1991

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Um, except that verse that says "Not all men have faith" - 2 Thessalonians 3:2. God hasn't given all men faith. No, Romans 12:3 doesn't say that either, it is written contextually to the elect, not the world abroad.
Um because they chose not to use the faith they have. Lol
 

preacher4truth

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So how come where instructed to keep the faith.. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. New King James Version (NKJV)
Now you're moving onto another subject altogether. First, we must settle your former conflation.
 

Magenta

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You have seen everything I have written....universalism is one thing I do not teach and or spew....would you agree?
You are not a universalist in the least :)

Though I would not say I have seen everything you have ever written :D

It is still clear to anyone who has any idea at all about what you espouse and
believe of Scripture, that universalism is not in there in any way, shape, or form :)
 

preacher4truth

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Um because they chose not to use the faith they have. Lol
That's utterly ridiculous. We believe by the power that raised Christ from the dead; Ephesians 1:19. No man has this power, it is external and from the Father.

Faith comes from Christ, Acts 3:16; Romans 10:17; 1 Timothy 1:14; Philippians 1:29. It doesn't come from within man.
 

BillG

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You have seen everything I have written....universalism is one thing I do not teach and or spew....would you agree?
Hands up here.

Maybe truthhurts will post eveidnce as I have asked him to
 

BillG

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Just looks like a blatant lie to me...
Lets be gracious and call it a misunderstanding of what DC has been saying and ask for a response to his post as I have asked him.