Not By Works

PeterJens · May 3, 2017

This is obviously the fruit of a belief you can have assurance of salvation
or OSAS. Another group say it is easy to get saved, but say these words etc.

I am convinced all we can do is put Jesus's words in our hearts and follow
Him as the Holy Spirit leads. Thankfully each person is responsible only
for themselves, and praise the Lord He has blessed us with His love through
the cross.

No matter how crazy people get around you, that still small voice keeps on
saying "I love you" Halleluyah. Christ is good. Amen

Ariel82 · May 3, 2017

http://www.hymnsite.com/lyrics/umh369.sht

Some folks need to learn about blessed assurance...here is the words to a hymn maybe it will help.

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1. Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine!
O what a foretaste of glory divine!
Heir of salvation, purchase of God,
born of his Spirit, washed in his blood.
Refrain:
This is my story, this is my song,
praising my Savior all the day long;
this is my story, this is my song,
praising my Savior all the day long.

2. Perfect submission, perfect delight,
visions of rapture now burst on my sight;
angels descending bring from above
echoes of mercy, whispers of love.
(Refrain)

3. Perfect submission, all is at rest;
I in my Savior am happy and blest,
watching and waiting, looking above,
filled with his goodness, lost in his love.
(Refrain)

JohnTalmid · May 3, 2017

dcontroversal said:

In reality you have never trusted. He said I am the way, truth, and life. To you the law is sin because you don't trust. To me the Instruction is life because I trust. If Messiah is the way he speaks of the way the Father wants us to walk, the truth becauseYHWH Elohim your word is truth, the life because he has made the way open to all who believe on him. You have only said you believe you never took the books off the shelf to apply them to your hearts. Yeshua is the word and as such because I believe in him to redeem me I stay in his word until he returns for his bride.

PeterJens · May 3, 2017

unbelief - no salvation, belief with unbelief following - salvation.
belief with unbelief following - no salvation if works involved

Situational ethics are never a good thing

Ariel82 · May 3, 2017

What are you unsure about JohnTalmid?

Or more importantly what are you sure if that God has taught you so far?

blue_ladybug · May 3, 2017

That's an awful lot of assumptions that you're making about Dcon.. It is not good to speculate on what someone else believes, or what you assume they believe..

JohnTalmid said:

blue_ladybug · May 3, 2017

Works are not required to keep salvation..

preacher4truth · May 3, 2017

For those who believe they earn their salvation (i.e. can lose it) :

1. Blasted Apprehension, Not sure if Jesus is mine!
O what a bad aftertaste of doubt is mine!
Err of salvation, almost purchased of God?
Almost born of his Spirit, Almost washed in his blood?
Refrain:
This was my story, this my sad song,
Is He or is He not my Savior, am I just wrong?;
This was my story, this my sad song,
Is He or is He not my Savior, am I just wrong?;

2. Doubtful submission, imperfect delight,
visions of loss now burst on my sight;
Are those fallen angels descending from above?
echoes of doubt, my state I'm doubtful of.
(Refrain)

3. Doubtful submission, all is a guess;
I and my works are hoping for the best,
watching and waiting, crossing my fingers,
filled with my goodness, yet my doubt lingers.
(Refrain)

Roughsoul1991 · May 3, 2017

preacher4truth said:

Always am studying. But its just i do not see or interpret your predestined or pre election as you do. To me your misinterpreting it and then forcing the bible to fit those few verses.

I wish people would stop using doctrines of men first to interpret the Bible. But use the bible to filter mans doctrines.

I think my study on time should help you. Ill post it next.

Roughsoul1991 · May 3, 2017

Time series -- this arrangement of past, present and future -- isn't simply the way life comes to us but is the way all things really exist. We tend to assume that the whole universe and God Himself are always moving on from a past to a future just as we are. But many learned men don't agree with that. I think it was the Theologians who first started the idea that some things are not in Time at all. Later, the Philosophers took it over. And now some of the scientists are doing the same.

Almost certainly God is not in Time. His life doesn't consist of moments following one another. If a million people are praying to Him at ten-thirty tonight, He hasn't got to listen to them all in that one little snippet which we call "ten-thirty." Ten-thirty, and every other moment from the beginning to the end of the world, is always the Present for Him. If you like to put it that way, He has infinity in which to listen to the split second of prayer put up by a pilot as his plane crashes in flames.

That's difficult, I know. Can I try to give something, not the same, but a bit like it. Suppose I'm writing a novel. I write "Mary laid down her book; next moment came a knock at the door." For Mary, who's got to live in the imaginary time of the story, there's no interval between putting down the book and hearing the knock. But I, her creator, between writing the first part of that sentence and the second, may have gone out for an hour's walk and spent the whole hour thinking about Mary. I know that's not a perfect example, but it may just give a glimpse of what I mean. The point I want to drive home is that God has infinite attention, infinite leisure to spare for each one of us. He doesn't have to take us in the line. You're as much alone with Him as if you were the only thing He'd ever created.

C.S. Lewis

To me this explanation deeply pictures God as the reader of your life story. God isnt all controlling but limits his power to respect our free will. God can see your life birth to death. Not saying God doesnt ever intervene in our lives because he does. God wont stop you from drinking but your liver will. God may persuade you to stop with all his controlled capabilities but ultimately wont force you.

And so God can see if your death was from drinking but God also can see you make a decision today to stop. Therfore changing your story as he reads it. But ultimately God can see all.

To me this is how if all are called to be saved he predestinedly knows who will be written in the book of life. Not choosing a select group but he can already see the deaths of everyone.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

dcontroversal · May 3, 2017

JohnTalmid said:

In reality you have never trusted. He said I am the way, truth, and life. To you the law is sin because you don't trust. To me the Instruction is life because I trust. If Messiah is the way he speaks of the way the Father wants us to walk, the truth becauseYHWH Elohim your word is truth, the life because he has made the way open to all who believe on him. You have only said you believe you never took the books off the shelf to apply them to your hearts. Yeshua is the word and as such because I believe in him to redeem me I stay in his word until he returns for his bride.

Look cake taker....I trust him...you on the other hand trust yourself...so...you know what you can do pal....

mailmandan · May 3, 2017

blue_ladybug said:

Amen! From beginning - "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end - "receiving the end of your faith, the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is through faith and is not by works.

dcontroversal · May 3, 2017

blue_ladybug said:

Thanks Blue....I am sick of the cake takers and workers for saying I don't trust JESUS because I TRUST salvation through GRACE and FAITH...they for the most part they are embellishers, twisters and false accusers......

Roughsoul1991 · May 3, 2017

God is all seeing and all knowing so isnt it logical to say he predestined all to be saved who believes as in john 3:16 and Gods elect is the ones he forsees in the book of life? God knows right now whos name will be in the book of life but he doesnt control or prevent anyone from adding their name right now.

Roughsoul1991 · May 3, 2017

I guess its just mans way to try to understand the amazingness of God. And trying to explain that is only in everyones interpretations to try and explain the unexplainable.

ForthAngel · May 3, 2017

Roughsoul1991 said:

This was my view. But I think a proper understanding of God's foreknowledge helps add to this. His foreknowledge is an active knowledge based on his own predetermination, not some passive knowledge or something he learned based on what we would choose. This distinction has to be made when discussing predestination.

Ariel82 · May 3, 2017

Wow,p4t didn't know you were a songwriter.

(applause, offers a cake shapes like a musical note)

Roughsoul1991 · May 3, 2017

mailmandan said:

You forget remaining in faith. Oh wait i forgot you dont believe that lol. Wrong thread.

dcontroversal · May 3, 2017

Roughsoul1991 said:

I personally don't believe we add our name or that our name is added, but rather everyone is written in...only to be removed upon the rejection of Christ...the Book of the LIVING......just my own take.....based upon...

a. Not one verse states that men are added to the book
b. Numerous verses about being blotted out
c. God would have ALL men come to the knowledge of the truth

preacher4truth · May 3, 2017

Roughsoul1991 said:

OK, but there is no way one could read Scripture and not conclude God elects, not man. You're a young fellow though and hopefully in time you'll embrace the truth instead of following men like Pelagius, Sozzini, Sandeman, Finney et al. They've highly influenced you unawares.

It's right there in Scripture, therefore it's not my view, it is the view of Scripture.

God chose all of His unto salvation, He is Sovereign like that. The problem is you cannot rest in the fact that God chose, many feel more secure about choosing themselves than they do about what God has done. Therefore many trust in personal decision more than in God's revelation of Sovereign election.

But salvation is not via mans choice; John 1:13, Romans 9:11ff; James 1:18. Yet you say to the contrary, and you've offered not one passage to support your error.

None.

You cannot refute the mentioned passages I've given and must resort in attempt to pit a verse or two against them. Yes, you pit Scripture against Scripture because you cannot accept that God is God and that He chose, not you. You also embrace the false notion of free will, and I've shown you that none are free outside of Christ, John 8:35. You've not addressed even one Scripture offered.

Therefore I must ask, since you offer no Scripture, nor do you refer to any offered you. When is it that you will become a student of Scripture instead of going ad lib with your tradition influenced by the aforementioned heretics?

Purely subjective is the above. "To me" means nothing. Try employing Scripture, maybe? You've offered not one Scripture, yet you make unfounded claims of "forcing" the Bible to fit "those verses" and your false accusation remains unsubstantiated. Pretty sad track record for a self-proclaimed student of Scripture.

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